Kiffin Covers All The Bases.

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T-TownVol said:
There is NOTHING "middle of the road" about the worship at New Birth.
The only other church in ATL, that has more influence, is Ebenezer Baptist.
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I think Charles Stanley's church on the north side is pretty influential, but I get your point..... Atlanta has a lot of very vibrant churches. Honestly... other than the historical significance, Ebenezer has lost a lot of lustre..... It has become a grandstanding photo op for self serving politicians more than anything else in the past 20 years....
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
I think Charles Stanley's church on the north side is pretty influential, but I get your point..... Atlanta has a lot of very vibrant churches. Honestly... other than the historical significance, Ebenezer has lost a lot of lustre..... It has become a grandstanding photo op for self serving politicians more than anything else in the past 20 years....
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Is that not the definition of "influence", the thread is about Kiffin getting the maximum exposure.
I was not referring to the spiritual aspect of churches in ATL.
 
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Could it be possible he simply went to church... Didn't he post on twitter a few weeks back, "Got home in time to see my daughter in her church play."
 
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JonWard said:
Another head coach of another sport at UT did this right in the middle of recruiting season. I guess to cover all the bases.
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How many BB recruits, their families, and their religious leaders attend synagogues in Israel?
 
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More to the point, I would be happy to get the pick of the litter out of Georgia and pick up a few here in there in South Florida. I don't think anybody outside the Sunshine state has any real chance of setting up long term recruiting success.
 
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Armchair, I'd challenge you to argue one of the fundamental laws of Quantum Physics.

Basically, it states that nothing can come from nothing.

Additionally, there is another law that states that all things are racing towards chaos (I oversimplify greatly for your sake).

My argument is simple. How did something come from nothing without a Divine Creator?

And how could all things racing towards chaos allow for your beloved atheistic Big Bang Theory?

If you can answer those upper level Physics questions, I suppose thou mightest persuade me.
 
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VolDad said:
How many BB recruits, their families, and their religious leaders attend synagogues in Israel?
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That had absolutely nothing to do with recruiting. He coached in that tournament to represent his country and his faith.

I believe the guy that mentioned it in this thread said that b/c Kiffin going to church was a PR or recruiting tactic, next he would go to Israel or Vatican City for the same reason.
 
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Snakes on a Wii said:
A lot of those people are from a time where god was seen as necessary to explain the natural world.

Einstein did NOT believe in god. In fact, on top of that I believe he called the bible "childish".

And even so, plenty of smart people were also atheists. In fact, they were so out of proportion to the general population. But that doesn't prove anything; all the smart people in the world can believe in something and it can still be wrong (see: flat earth).
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Heisenberg, quantum physicist - died 1976

Pasteur, one of the three founders of microbiology - died 1895

Linus Pauling, quantum chemist and molecular biologist, one of only four people ever to win multiple Nobel Prizes - died 1994

Mendel, founder of the modern science of genetics - died 1884

Tolstoy, widely considered one of the two or three greatest writers in the history of mankind - died 1910

Van Gogh - died 1890

Kierkegaard - died 1855

Flannery O'Connor, widely regarded as one of the greatest writers in all of history - died 1964

Martin Luther King Jr. - died 1968

Donald Barthelme, widely regarded as one of the most important American authors of the 20th century - died 1989

John Cheever, Pulitzer-prize winner, widely regarded as one of the most important American authors of the 20th century - died 1982

Andrei Tarkovsky, considered one of the great directors in film history, called the greatest by Ingmar Bergman - died 1986

Ermanno Olmi, considered one of the greatest living film directors, won the 1979 Palm D'Or at Cannes - still alive


So that's thirteen out of the twenty-two I listed that most definitely did not live in a time without science when people needed religion to "explain the natural world."

Direct quotes from Einstein:

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

"The devil has put a penalty on all things we enjoy in life. Either we suffer in health or we
suffer in soul or we get fat."

"It is only to the individual that a soul is given."

"Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and ends. But mere thinking
cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental
ends and valuations and to set them fast in the emotional life of the i ndividual, seems to me
precisely the most important function which religion has to form in the social life of man."

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals
himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

"When the solution is simple, God is answering."

"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."

"I want to know God's thoughts,..... the rest are details.."


Clearly Einstein himself struggled with the question of who God is - never at any point did he dismiss the possibility of God's existence. As to your contention that a disproportionate percentage of smart people are atheists, that's an unsubstantiable generalization.

Proverbs 1:7: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
 
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Rock33 said:
Wouldn't/Shouldn't the point be, for attending the Bishop's service, to come away believing in God ?:unsure:
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Either that or getting some tips on how to evade capture of certain income by the Internal Revenue Service...

badum-bump; ting!
 
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beavbullvol said:
Armchair, I'd challenge you to argue one of the fundamental laws of Quantum Physics.

Basically, it states that nothing can come from nothing.

Additionally, there is another law that states that all things are racing towards chaos (I oversimplify greatly for your sake).

My argument is simple. How did something come from nothing without a Divine Creator?

And how could all things racing towards chaos allow for your beloved atheistic Big Bang Theory?

If you can answer those upper level Physics questions, I suppose thou mightest persuade me.
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I don't think the Big Bang is atheistic at all.... Quite the contrary, actually.... Photos sent back from the Hubble telescope prove that the universe is continually expanding (and at an ever -increasing rate also!) leading to the logical conclusion that the universe had a "starting point", if you will.... An athiest would postulate that no-one or nothing caused this "bang" which is patently absurd.... The natural order of the universe screams "intelligent design" but athiests rule out any possible explanation that includes God so by their very definition athiests who claim that science conquers religion are disavowing a basic tenet of science.... True science takes the evidence and follows it to it's logical conclusion.... A seaarch for causes as it's commonly defined... Athiesm takes a preconcieved conclusion and tries to force the evidence to fit that conclusion..... The truth is that neither side has "empirical PROOF" that their belief is correct but the evidence overwhelmingly supports the existence of God....
 
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beavbullvol said:
Armchair, I'd challenge you to argue one of the fundamental laws of Quantum Physics.

Basically, it states that nothing can come from nothing.

Additionally, there is another law that states that all things are racing towards chaos (I oversimplify greatly for your sake).

My argument is simple. How did something come from nothing without a Divine Creator?

And how could all things racing towards chaos allow for your beloved atheistic Big Bang Theory?

If you can answer those upper level Physics questions, I suppose thou mightest persuade me.
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You are assuming these laws to be true. You might want to tackle antimatter and resolve that little problem for physics, since you think its all figured out.

You will also need to prove all of physics is absolute truth, and good luck with that. Many things are assumed to be true in logic, physics, science, etc. These assumptions are tied closely with the human senses and to what mankind perceives around him. Perception can be deceiving and thus, any form of absolute truth is very hard to prove, as its all based on assumptions.

I would also like for you to define nothing.

Lastly, I do believe in God, as my little feeble mind can not grasp that all that we assume to be true of the world and universe is by chance.
 
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PPPpartsp3 said:
You are assuming these laws to be true. You might want to tackle antimatter and resolve that little problem for physics, since you think its all figured out.

You will also need to prove all of physics is absolute truth, and good luck with that. Many things are assumed to be true in logic, physics, science, etc. These assumptions are tied closely with the human senses and to what mankind perceives around him. Perception can be deceiving and thus, any form of absolute truth is very hard to prove, as its all based on assumptions.

I would also like for you to define nothing.

Lastly, I do believe in God, as my little feeble mind can not grasp that all that we assume to be true of the world and universe is by chance.
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well said.......I have said many times before......it takes more "faith in assumptions" to believe the scientific answers for life, then it does to believe in God.
 
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hatvol96 said:
He attended services at Eddie Long's church today. If one is going to recruit the ATL, it's a stroke of brilliance to get the Bishop on your side. Pure PR genius.
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To try and get this massively derailed thread where noone will be able to prove anything they're arguing back on track... I agree.
 
#99
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PPPpartsp3 said:
You are assuming these laws to be true. You might want to tackle antimatter and resolve that little problem for physics, since you think its all figured out.

You will also need to prove all of physics is absolute truth, and good luck with that. Many things are assumed to be true in logic, physics, science, etc. These assumptions are tied closely with the human senses and to what mankind perceives around him. Perception can be deceiving and thus, any form of absolute truth is very hard to prove, as its all based on assumptions.

I would also like for you to define nothing.

Lastly, I do believe in God, as my little feeble mind can not grasp that all that we assume to be true of the world and universe is by chance.
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These laws are as hard and fast as your perception and subsequent acceptance as the the law founded by Newton (see gravity).

These are mathematical concepts. They are 'more founded' simply because the empirical evidence indicates little to no chance an alternative could exist.

In regards to your belief in a Creator, good for you.

I believe wholeheartedly in the God, the God of the Bible.

I suppose I failed in making my initial point. Please explain for me how nothing comes from something.

Your abstract and highly existential 'What is nothing?' question sounds enlightened, but leaves much to the imagination.

Nothing has no quantitative value. It is an absolute. Much like our interpretation of the word infinity. We understand what the word means, but our mortal minds can never truly comprehend the concept.
 
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