Kiffin and Co. handling the arrest situation perfectly.

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gainesvol82 said:
Everything screams that they were buying weed from the victims. I honestly think that JJ was just getting a ride to the store since the others were going out anyway.

The victims definitely looked like stoners to me.
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The victims looked like they were from Blout County to me. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I showed my wife the video and she said that they were just little country boys. I'm not quite sure what they were doing there at 2 in the morning munching on a chesseburger without any money; maybe they had been on the strip earlier and had spent what little money they had on brew.
 
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cd12 said:
but you will condemn an 18 or any other human for that matter?
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You shouldn't put words in people's mouths. I see that you want an argument more than you want to really discuss this.

Everybody deserves second chances but the point is that the 3 amigos were not children. You really can't compare the two situations.

For you to bring up Hood in relation to this circumstance is pretty classless and makes it seem like you are condemning him.
 
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#28
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gainesvol82 said:
You shouldn't put words in people's mouths. I see that you want an argument more than you want to really discuss this.

Everybody deserves second chances but the point is that the 3 amigos were not children. You really can't compare the two situations.

For you to bring up Hood in relation to this circumstance is pretty classless and makes it seem like you are condemning him.
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He got a second chance..no? His past is just as much fodder for the teams rep? Whatever happened to Marsalous Johnson? and exactly what words did I put in your mouth?
 
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gainesvol82 said:
You shouldn't put words in people's mouths. I see that you want an argument more than you want to really discuss this.

Everybody deserves second chances but the point is that the 3 amigos were not children. You really can't compare the two situations.

For you to bring up Hood in relation to this circumstance is pretty classless and makes it seem like you are condemning him.
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I disagree with CD, but he brings up a good point. UT's rep did take a hit by bringing in Hood. Several media outlets had headlines like: "UT Gives Scholarship to Convicted Rapist." Those headlines were definitely skewed, but most people didn't care to look into the facts. Unfortunately, that's the way media works. They use misleading headlines to generate a stir, and nobody really holds them accountable for it. The school's reputation is the one that pays for it.

So regardless of how the two situations are different, they're both bad for UT's image. Kiffin has to come down hard on Nuke & Edwards, but I doubt there will be a huge backlash if Janzen can earn his way back next season.
 
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fullfillmer said:
the victims looked like they were from monroe county to me. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I showed my wife the video and she said that they were just little country boys. I'm not quite sure what they were doing there at 2 in the morning munching on a chesseburger without any money; maybe they had been on the strip earlier and had spent what little money they had on brew.
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fyp
 
#31
#31
Whether we want to admit it or not, the only responsible course of action for such serious misconduct is to dismiss them from the team immediately. Waiting for further information is cop-out and a distraction. More information will not change the fact that these young men have been charged with a very serious crime. Waiting will allow this black cloud over the program linger. Prompt action deters the rest of our athletes from engaging in misconduct. There is just no good reason to turn a blind eye to what these young men have done. The program is bigger than these three. I hope they get youthful offender status, learn from this and get on with their lives -- but not at UT. Tolerating this kind of behavior sends the wrong message to those we are trying to recruit. It is past time to take the firm steps required. Just do it already.
 
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cd12 said:
If convicted....but if we are into giving second chances...this is no worse.
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Hood did what he did under the supervision of....essentially no one, in middle school. What these clowns did was under CLKs watch, in college, on a football team.

You can still look back and say "well he still did this," and that's fine. But. I'd say from the person dishing out the punishments' perspective (CLK), it is worse.
 
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nUT4VOLS said:
Whether we want to admit it or not, the only responsible course of action for such serious misconduct is to dismiss them from the team immediately. Waiting for further information is cop-out and a distraction. More information will not change the fact that these young men have been charged with a very serious crime. Waiting will allow this black cloud over the program linger. Prompt action deters the rest of our athletes from engaging in misconduct. There is just no good reason to turn a blind eye to what these young men have done. The program is bigger than these three. I hope they get youthful offender status, learn from this and get on with their lives -- but not at UT. Tolerating this kind of behavior sends the wrong message to those we are trying to recruit. It is past time to take the firm steps required. Just do it already.
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Wrong on so many levels.
 
#34
#34
I think these 3 will get a chance if not convicted(which will take several months) they can go to a JUCO then bank to a Div ! or 2 school and if good enough can go pro. They have just shot their chance at UT. We and the coaching staff don't need the aggravation.
 
#35
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RhodeIslandVol said:
Hood did what he did under the supervision of....essentially no one, in middle school. What these clowns did was under CLKs watch, in college, on a football team.

You can still look back and say "well he still did this," and that's fine. But. I'd say from the person dishing out the punishments' perspective (CLK), it is worse.
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I will take getting robbed with a bb gun any day......I was actually responding to the comment "we can't have armed robbers on the team"...We have Hood who went through the process and seems to be on track. However if he screws up the least bit. His past will be major headlines. You take a chance with any of these kids, Johnson made a stupid decision but was cleared. So if these guys have the charges dropped or get cleared..... Let it play out.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
You can't have armed robbers in your program. It doesn't matter if nobody got hurt or how credible the victims are.

JJ will stay and play next year. The suspect who didn't pull the pistol will probably stay, too. Whoever had the gun is done. This crime wasn't particularly heinous but what would we all be saying if the pellet gun went off in the victim's face and blinded or seriously hurt him?
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Not an unreasonable post.

Just remember a few things:

1. They are all three innocent until proven guilty. Let the legal system run its course. Given that none of the players has any priors and that no one was injured in the incident, I can see this being plea bargained down. The players will likely receive community service at most.

2. No one was actually robbed. This was an alleged "attempted" robbery. No property was stolen and no one was harmed.

3. The credibility of the alleged victims is absolutely relevant. What were they doing at the pilot station at 2 am? What was their level of impairment at the time? Did they clearly see their alleged attackers and could they accurately identify them? Could they accurately identify who had the gun? All of these questions need to be asked and answered before anyone, including the coaching staff, rushes to judgement.
 
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What you have to realize is that this issue is out of CLK's hands right now. It is up to the law. If the law convicts Edwards, Richardson and Jackson then there is nothing for CLK to do. If they are all in jail it is kind of implied that they are off the team. Yes?

It becomes tricky when one of them is let go and the charges reduced to a misdemeanor. Then what does CLK do? Does he take into account the person's history and future? But this is were the university gets involved. Right now they are correct to stand down and let the legal process play out.

No need to jump the gun and overreact. The three accused are not part of the team in any capacity right now and it will remain that way until charges are dropped and they are reinstated, which is an awfully long shot.

However, the longer the law takes, the better the outcome may be for one of or all of the accused. If this was an open and shut case then there would be no reason to delay findings and move up court dates.
 
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nUT4VOLS said:
Whether we want to admit it or not, the only responsible course of action for such serious misconduct is to dismiss them from the team immediately. Waiting for further information is cop-out and a distraction. More information will not change the fact that these young men have been charged with a very serious crime. Waiting will allow this black cloud over the program linger. Prompt action deters the rest of our athletes from engaging in misconduct. There is just no good reason to turn a blind eye to what these young men have done. The program is bigger than these three. I hope they get youthful offender status, learn from this and get on with their lives -- but not at UT. Tolerating this kind of behavior sends the wrong message to those we are trying to recruit. It is past time to take the firm steps required. Just do it already.
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Charged is not convicted and we'd all be wise to remember that.

It wasn't so long ago that a stripper accused a group of athletes from Duke University of a very serious crime. The fans, the media and the school overreacted there and brought the hammer down on those boys only to find out later that they were innocent and that no crime was committed. The University paid alot of money to make up for that mistake and, more importantly, those young men had much of their lives ruined.
 
#39
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cd12 said:
Where is the kid that pointed the gun at another driver a while back?
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2006
Redshirt freshman Marsalous Johnson was suspended for four games after reportedly waving a pellet gun at an off-duty sheriff's deputy along I-40 in Putnam ...
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Johnson started 7 games in 2007 before injuring his knee. He started 2 games in 2008. He's currently out due to injury,
He [Coach Lane Kiffin] also said defensive back Marsalous Johnson could return from his thumb injury by the Kentucky game.
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The same mentality that at the beginning of this year that was all about benching Crompton, is now being played out by the same sort of people wanting all three kids kicked off the team and out of school. I don't know the facts and frankly neither does anyone writing here. The staff & school are handling this exactly the way they should. CLK owes it to these kids he recruited, their families, the school, and the team to be sure he acts on facts and when he does act to be fair. Flying off half cocked and knee jerking three kids out of school based on media reports and without having their day in court if they dispute what occurred would not be fair to these kids, their families, the school, or the team. It's easy being part of a team when there is little or no adversity, but the true test of being part of a good team is how everybody handles things when they are not going well. I've been amazed at the number of people claiming to be UT fans that are ready to cut and run at the first sign of problems, hell where did they learn that trait? It certainly didn't come from the State of Tennessee or it's people. Anybody ever hear tell of Davy Crockett cutting and running? Gosh, if you're a coward and ready to cut and run at the 1st sign of trouble, seek to support a team elsewhere. Prairie View A&M needs supporters like you, give them a try.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
What you have to realize is that this issue is out of CLK's hands right now. It is up to the law. If the law convicts Edwards, Richardson and Jackson then there is nothing for CLK to do. If they are all in jail it is kind of implied that they are off the team. Yes?

It becomes tricky when one of them is let go and the charges reduced to a misdemeanor. Then what does CLK do? Does he take into account the person's history and future? But this is were the university gets involved. Right now they are correct to stand down and let the legal process play out.

No need to jump the gun and overreact. The three accused are not part of the team in any capacity right now and it will remain that way until charges are dropped and they are reinstated, which is an awfully long shot.

However, the longer the law takes, the better the outcome may be for one of or all of the accused. If this was an open and shut case then there would be no reason to delay findings and move up court dates.
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Hehehe . . . No pun intended.
 
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dimera23 said:
Just because the Knoxville Police Department arrested these three players does not mean that they are guilty of a crime.
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it is amazing to me how many here either do not understand or choose to ignore this key point.

i'm expecting to see a "let's get us a rope and lynch 'em -- yee haw" thread any day now.
 
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#45
Were there not surveillance cameras for CLK to look at and make a decision?
 
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There are so many variables to consider at this point. They may never go to court. The victims may decide not to cooperate. Is there a surveillance tape? The DA may decide there is not enough evidence to pursue it. Etc. Etc. I think Hamilton and CLK are taking the right stance at this particular time. They can't just boot someone when they are arrested. Imagine how that would look to recruiting. I know if my son were being recruited by a major program that threw someone under the bus because he was arrested before he had a chance to clear himself of the crime, I would definitely steer him in the other direction. CLK has said if the accusations are indeeed true, punishment will be severe. They are suspended pending investigations right now. I don't give a $h*t whether CLK or Hamilton said those words or not. Not being allowed to participate in any team activities = suspension.
 
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