Kick us while we are down...we won't be there much longer

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For the life of me I do not understand what is wrong with our fanbase. Yes this year sucked..BAD, we get it. Yes DD made some calls and comments that left us scratching our heads. But when as a society and fanbase that want instant success did we become so stupid to that this program could be rebuilt in 2 years. This program was in worse shape than a program that had been hit with a major probation and scholly reduction. LK chased off some of Phils guys, DD chased off some of LK's guys and some of the boneheads couldn't stay focused on football and school and/or got in trouble. Next year we have a full roster for this first time in a while. I will agree that Dooley is a strange cat but so is Les Miles. We knew he got 3 years no matter what so lets give it to him. Lets hope he makes the staff changes to better this team. It is his butt on the line, if he fails then he is no longer a hot coach on the rise. He is a failed coach and takes 2 steps back. I am sure he wants to grow this team and bring it back otherwise he is done as a major player for big jobs for the future. Give him his chance. I think the majority of the DRAMA for Darick was caused by us the fans doing what we always do and that is making more out of it than it really is. That is just my .02, after next year in December lets see how we all feel.
 
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Great Post... haven't seen you on here, guess you come with too much common sense for me to notice....

thanks for the reminder that there are still some sane posters on volnation :D
 
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I can't see how you blame the fan base for the coaches and the players. There has been more fire to win in the fan base than apparently over 50% of the team this year, and with people saying that these players are kids being kids. When do you expect them to start growing up? There are men and women fighting over seas that's younger than some of these players.
 
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Victims don't start out planning to eat each other usually it just devolves into that. We the fans, the players, the coaches have been stuck in the woods for 4 years now with nothing good to feast on. So it doesn't surprise me their chopping up players, coaches, and fans.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
I can't see how you blame the fan base for the coaches and the players. There has been more fire to win in the fan base than apparently over 50% of the team this year, and with people saying that these players are kids being kids. When do you expect them to start growing up? There are men and women fighting over seas that's younger than some of these players.
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This.
 
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There is no good reason UT should be down for long, but right now, it seems very possible we stay down for a while.
 
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Oh goody, another sunshine pumping, Doo-little excuse making, program apologist. As if we don't have enough of those in our fanbase.
 
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87Vol said:
Oh goody, another sunshine pumping, Doo-little excuse making, program apologist. As if we don't have enough of those in our fanbase.
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That...or else we need to accept the fact that we just aren't that good. Ouch! That hurts! The painful truth! the UT Dynasty has been over for nearly a decade and even when it was a Dynasty, we still played second fiddle to Florida.
I'm no Dooley fan. Every since the day he got hired I've been trying to figure out who he is and how he got the job. However, I realized that he 1. isn't Saban (which seems to be the starting point of the benchmark of quality of coach we are looking for.) 2. Half the team has been ran off, quit, injured, and/or has had too many different coaches in too short a time. 3. We have a ton of talent that is not yet developed. 4. played the meat of our schedule without the best quarterback or wide receiver on the field. 5. lost this year to 4 top 15 teams that should have beat us and to Georgia who really is a top 20 worthy team.

All that being said, It is Dooley's responsibility to develop the talent. If we don't see a marked improvement next year (not and SEC championship), we need to start digging his career a grave.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
That...or else we need to accept the fact that we just aren't that good. Ouch! That hurts! The painful truth! the UT Dynasty has been over for nearly a decade and even when it was a Dynasty, we still played second fiddle to Florida.
I'm no Dooley fan. Every since the day he got hired I've been trying to figure out who he is and how he got the job. However, I realized that he 1. isn't Saban (which seems to be the starting point of the benchmark of quality of coach we are looking for.) 2. Half the team has been ran off, quit, injured, and/or has had too many different coaches in too short a time. 3. We have a ton of talent that is not yet developed. 4. played the meat of our schedule without the best quarterback or wide receiver on the field. 5. lost this year to 4 top 15 teams that should have beat us and to Georgia who really is a top 20 worthy team.

[B]All that being said, It is Dooley's responsibility to develop the talent. If we don't see a marked improvement next year (not and SEC championship), we need to start digging his career a grave.[/B]
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This says it all. Put up or shut up and be gone time for Dudley Doo-little !!!
 
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Simple as it is, I believe he is coaching next year to remain at UT, in a make or break type season.
JMO
 
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What is it about 2011 as opposed to 2010 that makes you think Dooley and gang are turning things around?

What is it about November as opposed to September that makes you think it?

I understand the injuries. But they aren't enough to explain the incompetence on the field that is only increasing as Dooley's tenure continues.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
I can't see how you blame the fan base for the coaches and the players. There has been more fire to win in the fan base than apparently over 50% of the team this year, and with people saying that these players are kids being kids. When do you expect them to start growing up? There are men and women fighting over seas that's younger than some of these players.
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where in the OP's post do you find him blaming the fanbase for the coaches and players..... he simply stated that many expect instant winners and this will take time. No where does that say it is the fanbase's fault.

Also how do you get your numbers of 50% of the team not having any fire... I saw a team that lacked talent, and sometimes seemed to lack leadership, even from the coaching staff.... but I never SAW 50% of the team lay down....... I saw this team confused, slow and unemotional at times, but I also saw Neyland half empty, guess the same reasoning would say 50% of the fanbase gave up... Not saying we did just using your own logic

Also never did the OP state anything about Kid's being Kids.... so go rant in someone elses thread
 
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WesternKyVol said:
What is it about 2011 as opposed to 2010 that makes you think Dooley and gang are turning things around?

What is it about November as opposed to September that makes you think it?

I understand the injuries. But they aren't enough to explain the incompetence on the field that is only increasing as Dooley's tenure continues.
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The OP did not say he Thought Dooley would turn it around... he said it was his to either win or lose.... what is so hard for some of you antt-Dooley fire breathers to understand

Reading is FUN-DA-MENTAL
 
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WesternKyVol said:
What is it about 2011 as opposed to 2010 that makes you think Dooley and gang are turning things around?

What is it about November as opposed to September that makes you think it?

I understand the injuries. But they aren't enough to explain the incompetence on the field that is only increasing as Dooley's tenure continues.
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Shizz happens. Majors won a title with DORSETT, but was awful his first 4yrs here. My father was around for the Majors rebuilding and told me once that there were a lot of concerns if he'd get it done but the feeling was that nobody cared more and wanted to win more than Johnny did, so he got the fans support.

Even if one thinks Dooley wont get it turned around there shouldn't be any reason to not support the team and hope that he does. I can only imagine how badly Dooley wants to win and be successful here. This is the kind of opportunity every coach dreams of; to head a major D-1 program.
 
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I agreed with the OP until the UK game. No Tennessee team should ever lose to Kentucky. EVER.
 
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ejvols4 said:
I agreed with the OP until the UK game. No Tennessee team should ever lose to Kentucky. EVER.
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I would have to disagree with the statement EVER... there has been in MY life Kentucky teams that could, should and did beat Tennessee...

However there is NO excuse for THIS Tennessee team to be beaten by this years Kentucky team :hi:
 
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Coastypop said:
I would have to disagree with the statement EVER... there has been in MY life Kentucky teams that could, should and did beat Tennessee...

However there is NO excuse for THIS Tennessee team to be beaten by this years Kentucky team :hi:
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Haha I'm just not old enough to remember those. This was the first year I'd ever seen it happen.
 
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Come on use a little common sense on a "given day" one team can beat another. No team or program is so good that another can never beat them.
ejvols4 said:
I agreed with the OP until the UK game. No Tennessee team should ever lose to Kentucky. EVER.
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PermaVol said:
Shizz happens. Majors won a title with DORSETT, but was awful his first 4yrs here. My father was around for the Majors rebuilding and told me once that there were a lot of concerns if he'd get it done but the feeling was that nobody cared more and wanted to win more than Johnny did, so he got the fans support.

Even if one thinks Dooley wont get it turned around there shouldn't be any reason to not support the team and hope that he does. I can only imagine how badly Dooley wants to win and be successful here. This is the kind of opportunity every coach dreams of; to head a major D-1 program.
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Read something the other day that was interesting regarding Majors/Pitt and his rebuilding job there. When Majors got to Pitt, he knew they needed a drastic infusion of talent, but also knew that annual scholarship caps were coming soon. So, his first recruiting class there consisted of something like 73 signees. And the turnaround there came pretty quick. Annual limit was in place by the time he got to UT and the rebuild took several years. Same coach, of course.

There's a lesson in there for sure.
 
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OK, as the OP, I want to say I am not sure Dooley is the answer BUT, you have to give him 3 years minimum I would say 4. If it doesn't work so be and move on. But this program was in bad shape, do I have to go through the list of who quit, got booted, transfered again. We have all seen it. We have all done the math. We were in worse shape than a program that the NCAA put the hammer to. Give the man a fighting chance. Sink or swim next year his name and rep are on the line. Just sayin'. Thanks
 
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