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We've recently kicked a couple of highly touted freshmen out of school to never return. Over the years we've lost some very good players this way what ever happpened to some of these guys? I know O. Smith went on to a great career at Oregon. I know Cobb is a scout for the NFL. J. Banks has done nothing but screw up. But what ever happened to, I believe his name was Dustin Moore, who was a very good TE, who tested + for pot. Did any of these guys go on to good football careers at other schools besides Smith?
 
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(rockytopinalabam @ Aug 4 said:
We've recently kicked a couple of highly touted freshmen out of school to never return. Over the years we've lost some very good players this way what ever happpened to some of these guys? I know O. Smith went on to a great career at Oregon. I know Cobb is a scout for the NFL. J. Banks has done nothing but screw up. But what ever happened to, I believe his name was Dustin Moore, who was a very good TE, who tested + for pot. Did any of these guys go on to good football careers at other schools besides Smith?



OJ Owens is getting a degree from Western Carolina and still stays in touch with some of us.

Brian Darden?? :dunno:

Dustin Moore?? :dunno:

Onterrio Smith would have been a great TB at UT. Donte' Stallworth helped us in getting him in the first place, since they played on the same HS team. Can you imagine playing against those 2?
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 4 said:
McGruder was a decent role player at OU. He didn't have a great impact.

Never said he had a great impact. He was a good player.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 4 said:
Good is stretching it. Competent or servicable is more accurate.


Kind of like our freshman db's in 1998.

Tad Golden and Teddy Gaines never made any "hype" at UT, but when they were freshman, I noticed them serving our special teams with a passion I haven't seen since then. And I believe we brought in 1 of the 2 as a nickel package against Tim Couch, and whichever one it was, did very well.


Serviceable kids that never made any "splash."
 
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(Jasongivm6 @ Aug 4 said:
Kind of like our freshman db's in 1998.

Tad Golden and Teddy Gaines never made any "hype" at UT, but when they were freshman, I noticed them serving our special teams with a passion I haven't seen since then. And I believe we brought in 1 of the 2 as a nickel package against Tim Couch, and whichever one it was, did very well.
Serviceable kids that never made any "splash."

yes I agree with that also. You can never be too deep at positions such as DB or DL.
 
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(allvol123 @ Aug 4 said:
yes I agree with that also. You can never be too deep at positions such as DB or DL.


I agree. My favorite "part" about the 1998 team was our defense. Al Wilson is a friend of mine, so I never went around saying he was my favorite player. Even though he was the most important player on our defense. Some of my favorite players of all-time come from the 1998 defense. We all know them, but most of them aren't famous. Fred White and Raynoch Thompson rank in my top 10 players I admire the most. I still have a Raynoch jersey, which I wear on every Saturday in the fall. But even Mikki Allen and Derrick Edmonds had great roles in that team. Gerald Griffin, bless his heart, even won me over that year. We all praise the great players on that team, but I remember some of the players that don't get too much credit for anything.
 
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Nilo Silvan got kicked off the team and out of school...but never was indicted.

Jasongivm6, you'll find no bigger Billy Ratliff fan on the planet than me. When I think of 1998, that's the first guy that comes to mind (even ahead of Al Wilson, as borderline blasphemous as that sounds)
 
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I do remember that dustin moore got into trouble a couple more times after being kicked off.
 
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(Ohio Vol @ Aug 4 said:
Nilo Silvan got kicked off the team and out of school...but never was indicted.
I thought about Nilo too. He had that huge play against Wash St on the reverse for a td. That dude was quick! Whatever happened to him?
 
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(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 5 said:
I thought about Nilo too. He had that huge play against Wash St on the reverse for a td. That dude was quick! Whatever happened to him?
I think the Bucs drafted him and he played for one or two years, but don't know what became of him after that.
 
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Reggie Cobb played 7 seasons in the NFL. He had almost 1200 yards and 9 td in 1992. Word has it when he got dismissed from the 1989 season prior to the bama game he was going to declare himself the NFL draft at the end of the season. He was a redshirt junior at the time.

Onterrio has pretty much let drugs get him out of the NFL being suspended a year for being a multi offender.

Nylo went on to be the leading Kick off returner in 1996 for the bucs.
 
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The All-Where Are You Now? Team
(Those kicked-off or signed and never eligible)

QB: James Banks
RB: Brian Darden
RB: Travis Cozart
TE: Dustin Moore
WR: Billy Williams
OL: Malcolm Rawls

DL: Ell Ash
DL: Raymond Henderson
DL: Lynn McGruder
LB: Chris Ramseur

I know I'm forgetting a lot of them..anybody else?
Vol Insider :ninja:
 
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Reggie Cobb and Onterrio Smith have to be on there somewhere.
 
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(GAVol @ Aug 7 said:
Reggie Cobb and Onterrio Smith have to be on there somewhere.

I didn't includ them because we pretty much know what happened to them. I guess I should have called it the All-Dropped off the face of the earth team :biggrin2:

Forgot about Dewayne Dotson, he wound up at Ole Siss, and then??????
Derrick Evans is a great one...I have no clue who he is, lol!
 
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Dallas carter actually forfeited the State Championship that year (1988) for using an inelgible player. The inelgible player was arrested with Evans for armed robbery. In actuality, Dallas played Perriman in the semi's not the finals.

Here is the real story for those who were too young at that time. Amazing story.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_ga.../banks_insider/
TAMPA, Fla. -- At this point in Super Bowl week, all the stories tend to blend together and the subplots have been well picked over. The quotes sound monotonously similar, and the players, coaches and media are tired and talked out.

But every once in a while there's somebody with a real story to tell. A story that stands out. A story that resonates far beyond the gabfest that this game has become. For me, that story this week belonged to Jessie Armstead.

It boiled down to this: He could have gone wrong, but he went right. He could have chosen trouble, but he stayed straight. And he knows how vastly his life has been impacted by just one good decision.

"I just walked the other way," said Armstead, the eighth-year New York Giants linebacker. "It's hard, but if you go the other way, you'll be thankful one day in your life."

Armstead was 17 and a member of the Dallas Carter High 1988 state champion football team. He was one of three players on that team to sign a Division I college scholarship. The other two, Armstead's closest of friends and teammates, went to prison first for armed robbery.

Armstead had the opportunity to join Derric Evans and Gary Edwards as they took part in a series of robberies of video stores and fast-food restaurants that year. They asked him to come. And he thought about it, but not long. He kept remembering the look of anguish in his mother's face when the year before he had been caught shoplifting some clothes and spent 10 hours in juvenile. He wasn't going to make that mistake again.

"It was the turning point in my life," Armstead said. "I think about it all the time. I could have gone on with them. I went with them everywhere else. I made a choice."

Evans had signed with Tennessee and was considered the top defensive back in the nation coming out of high school. Edwards, Armstead's near constant companion, had agreed to attend Houston. In September 1989, Evans was sentenced to 20 years (he served almost seven years). Edwards was sentenced to 16 years (he served nearly four). Both were released for good behavior, but football for them was over.

Both were talented enough to play in the NFL. "Derric would have been a first-round pick, if not a top 10 pick in the draft," Armstead said. "I think Tennessee went and got Dale Carter out of a juco after Derric went to prison."

Armstead went to the University of Miami, won a pair of national championships, and was selected by New York in the eighth round in 1993. He has made the Pro Bowl in each of the past four seasons. Sunday he'll make his Super Bowl debut. And no doubt think of how different life turned out for the three stars of their high school football team.

"[My mother's] really proud, because I had a chance to go either way in the neighborhood," Armstead said. "But her and my father fought so I wouldn't go the other way. But a child, when he's 17 years old, has to make a decision whether he'll go right or left. You go right, no matter what you do in life it'll be all right. You go left, and your Mama and Daddy can't save you, because the system has you."

Armstead is talking now partly because he regrets not talking back then. He believes he could have kept his friends out of prison by turning them in as soon as he learned of their plans to pull off a series of robberies.

"I told them not to do it, but I had an opportunity to tell the [Carter High] head coach [Freddie James] what went on, and I didn't do it," Armstead said. "I was wrong on that part for not telling. Sometimes you have to tell on a friend to help him out.

"I feel bad because I could have made a difference in their lives by telling it that day. They could have hated me from that day on, but I would have done the right thing for them. They wouldn't have gone to prison."

Armstead didn't buckle to peer pressure because he said he had too much of a promising future to throw it all away for so little.


"I told the Dallas Morning News when I was 17 years old that I was a million dollar check waiting to be cashed," Armstead said, beaming. "You have to make sure you don't let your friends deter you. Friends will try and tell you, 'Hey, man it's cool. Let's go do this.' But, no, it's not cool. It's cool to go the other way.

"I think anybody could be in that situation. Sometimes you never know what's going to happen. But you just try and put yourself in the best situation, and try to stay out of it."

The juxtaposition of Armstead's choices and the ones made last January by a linebacker on the other Super Bowl team -- Ray Lewis -- is almost too obvious to point out. Whatever you believe about Lewis, no one could argue that he chose his friends well, he put himself in a good situation and he managed to stay out of it. Not completely at least.

Many will remember the Lewis story as the morality play of this Super Bowl. In some ways, the last two Super Bowls. Me? I hope I'll recall Armstead's words and choices far longer than Lewis's.

But maybe both of them will linger in memory, helping me to re-double my efforts to show my two young sons how stark the difference is between going right and going wrong.
 
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Dallas carter actually forfeited the State Championship that year (1988) for using an inelgible player. The inelgible player was arrested with Evans for armed robbery. In actuality, Dallas played Perriman in the semi's not the finals.

Here is the real story for those who were too young at that time. Amazing story.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_ga.../banks_insider/
TAMPA, Fla. -- At this point in Super Bowl week, all the stories tend to blend together and the subplots have been well picked over. The quotes sound monotonously similar, and the players, coaches and media are tired and talked out.

But every once in a while there's somebody with a real story to tell. A story that stands out. A story that resonates far beyond the gabfest that this game has become. For me, that story this week belonged to Jessie Armstead.

It boiled down to this: He could have gone wrong, but he went right. He could have chosen trouble, but he stayed straight. And he knows how vastly his life has been impacted by just one good decision.

"I just walked the other way," said Armstead, the eighth-year New York Giants linebacker. "It's hard, but if you go the other way, you'll be thankful one day in your life."

Armstead was 17 and a member of the Dallas Carter High 1988 state champion football team. He was one of three players on that team to sign a Division I college scholarship. The other two, Armstead's closest of friends and teammates, went to prison first for armed robbery.

Armstead had the opportunity to join Derric Evans and Gary Edwards as they took part in a series of robberies of video stores and fast-food restaurants that year. They asked him to come. And he thought about it, but not long. He kept remembering the look of anguish in his mother's face when the year before he had been caught shoplifting some clothes and spent 10 hours in juvenile. He wasn't going to make that mistake again.

"It was the turning point in my life," Armstead said. "I think about it all the time. I could have gone on with them. I went with them everywhere else. I made a choice."

Evans had signed with Tennessee and was considered the top defensive back in the nation coming out of high school. Edwards, Armstead's near constant companion, had agreed to attend Houston. In September 1989, Evans was sentenced to 20 years (he served almost seven years). Edwards was sentenced to 16 years (he served nearly four). Both were released for good behavior, but football for them was over.

Both were talented enough to play in the NFL. "Derric would have been a first-round pick, if not a top 10 pick in the draft," Armstead said. "I think Tennessee went and got Dale Carter out of a juco after Derric went to prison."

Armstead went to the University of Miami, won a pair of national championships, and was selected by New York in the eighth round in 1993. He has made the Pro Bowl in each of the past four seasons. Sunday he'll make his Super Bowl debut. And no doubt think of how different life turned out for the three stars of their high school football team.

"[My mother's] really proud, because I had a chance to go either way in the neighborhood," Armstead said. "But her and my father fought so I wouldn't go the other way. But a child, when he's 17 years old, has to make a decision whether he'll go right or left. You go right, no matter what you do in life it'll be all right. You go left, and your Mama and Daddy can't save you, because the system has you."

Armstead is talking now partly because he regrets not talking back then. He believes he could have kept his friends out of prison by turning them in as soon as he learned of their plans to pull off a series of robberies.

"I told them not to do it, but I had an opportunity to tell the [Carter High] head coach [Freddie James] what went on, and I didn't do it," Armstead said. "I was wrong on that part for not telling. Sometimes you have to tell on a friend to help him out.

"I feel bad because I could have made a difference in their lives by telling it that day. They could have hated me from that day on, but I would have done the right thing for them. They wouldn't have gone to prison."

Armstead didn't buckle to peer pressure because he said he had too much of a promising future to throw it all away for so little.


"I told the Dallas Morning News when I was 17 years old that I was a million dollar check waiting to be cashed," Armstead said, beaming. "You have to make sure you don't let your friends deter you. Friends will try and tell you, 'Hey, man it's cool. Let's go do this.' But, no, it's not cool. It's cool to go the other way.

"I think anybody could be in that situation. Sometimes you never know what's going to happen. But you just try and put yourself in the best situation, and try to stay out of it."

The juxtaposition of Armstead's choices and the ones made last January by a linebacker on the other Super Bowl team -- Ray Lewis -- is almost too obvious to point out. Whatever you believe about Lewis, no one could argue that he chose his friends well, he put himself in a good situation and he managed to stay out of it. Not completely at least.

Many will remember the Lewis story as the morality play of this Super Bowl. In some ways, the last two Super Bowls. Me? I hope I'll recall Armstead's words and choices far longer than Lewis's.

But maybe both of them will linger in memory, helping me to re-double my efforts to show my two young sons how stark the difference is between going right and going wrong.

The movie (Carter High) hits the big screen this week but it's not playing anywhere near Knoxville as best I can tell. Guessing it quickly makes it to Redbox.
 
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Today is the day to necro-bump threads. You win for bumping the oldest thread today. Thanks for the info though.
 
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Anybody remember L. Coker? I grieved intensely when Fulmer had to kick him off the team during his freshman year. As an RB, I am yet to see another with as much blazing speed. He could hit the edge, turn up field and be gone in the blink of an eye. I thought he had more talent than even O. Smith. What a shame. The kid forfeited many millions of dollars.
 
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