Kevin Burnett and Roger Goodell are good friends.

#26
#26
when you invest the capital and build the business, you make the rules---very simple. Employees who do not like the rules can quit and go into another business or form a competing business. That's the way business works.
 
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TnTom said:
Well, just have them give the money back and do get a real job.
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Owners gave it up and now they mad? They got a job, playing football. If idiot like us quit buying tickets, apparel, etc., owner, player, and commish will have no job. Quit hating cause you can only dream and they earn the right.
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VolsRule said:
when you invest the capital and build the business, you make the rules---very simple. Employees who do not like the rules can quit and go into another business or form a competing business. That's the way business works.
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You fail to realize business works under certain guidelines. Nfl and NFLPA has a collective bargaining agreement thus both parties have invested interests and say so. Your definition of business is obsolete and prehistoric. Your definition is what enslavement dictates, I control and you do it with no discussion. This is Dept. Of Labor and Workforce, Human resources reps, policies, civil service, collective bargaining, etc. Exists! To keep your type of business mentality from en slaving people. That is why teachers, policemen, fire fighters, everyone who has a say in their job is hot at the attempt to rid of collective bargaining. To say it is a budget crunch is hogwash when billions of tax cuts are given to people who don't need it. Players have fought and endeared for those terms of CBA so the owners can get over it.
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pastorfreeze said:
You fail to realize business works under certain guidelines. Nfl and NFLPA has a collective bargaining agreement thus both parties have invested interests and say so. Your definition of business is obsolete and prehistoric. Your definition is what enslavement dictates, I control and you do it with no discussion. This is Dept. Of Labor and Workforce, Human resources reps, policies, civil service, collective bargaining, etc. Exists! To keep your type of business mentality from en slaving people. That is why teachers, policemen, fire fighters, everyone who has a say in their job is hot at the attempt to rid of collective bargaining. To say it is a budget crunch is hogwash when billions of tax cuts are given to people who don't need it. Players have fought and endeared for those terms of CBA so the owners can get over it.
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Not being the boss doesn't equal "en slaving people"
 
#31
#31
Some jobs (some) have policies in place where if you go to management and report you have a drug abuse problem they are not allowed to fire you but give you the opportunity to resolve the problem. That doesn't necessarily mean pay for a rehabilitation program but it gives the employee the opportunity to get their situation fixed. And there is nothing wrong with that.... I think a policy such as this in the NFL is a great way to go and to ignore the problem with only applying fines is not a responsible way of dealing with it.

As for his rant on being an "upstanding citizen" I think he's trying to make a point that the NFL enforces punishments outside the realm of what their contract literally says. That IS a problem. The NFL just needs to put it in writing (what I have a hard time believing is that it's not already there).

Otherwise, you can't disregard what Burnett said - he makes some valid points and he wanted to be heard so he made the comments to the media for a voice.
 
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pastorfreeze said:
You fail to realize business works under certain guidelines. Nfl and NFLPA has a collective bargaining agreement thus both parties have invested interests and say so. Your definition of business is obsolete and prehistoric. Your definition is what enslavement dictates, I control and you do it with no discussion. This is Dept. Of Labor and Workforce, Human resources reps, policies, civil service, collective bargaining, etc. Exists! To keep your type of business mentality from en slaving people. That is why teachers, policemen, fire fighters, everyone who has a say in their job is hot at the attempt to rid of collective bargaining. To say it is a budget crunch is hogwash when billions of tax cuts are given to people who don't need it. Players have fought and endeared for those terms of CBA so the owners can get over it.
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I really hope you don't own any sort of business (of course if you did it wouldn't last very long) and you're either drunk right now or loaded down with some serious hash or equivalent. News flash..... there is no slavery in this country. Anybody that wants to work for a living can and if they don't like the working conditions can go get another job. Oh, and what about the billions in hand outs for those that won't work? The sword cuts both ways.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I really hope you don't own any sort of business (of course if you did it wouldn't last very long) and you're either drunk right now or loaded down with some serious hash or equivalent. News flash..... there is no slavery in this country. Anybody that wants to work for a living can and if they don't like the working conditions can go get another job. Oh, and what about the billions in hand outs for those that won't work? The sword cuts both ways.
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I worked in Human Services and left because it was an enabler and not just assistance which is its purpose. Why is that? Less regulation and those making billions ensuring this people stay dependent on Food Stamps, TANF, and Medicaid. NEWS FLASH, we are suppose to help those who are struggling. That's why we are not a 3rd world country. Of course if you don't like a job, get another one. This is not a discussion on jobs but CBA which the NFL and NFLPA have in place. Read between the lines and stay on subject. These are educated men with leverage because people come see them not Jerry Jones, Roger Goodell, or any of those who are in luxury boxes while we are either freezing or burning in the stands. Would you watch Ed Reed on defense or teams filled with Art Evans', Jonathan Crompton's, and the other scrubs in the world. Business has parameters and the players are operating in them. We are still in a recession so quitting and getting another job is more of a dream than a reality. A man with a house and car note, wife and 2.6 kids, bills, etc. Just can't quit and go flip burgers. Do you know its 2011 and not 1914?
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BigRed said:
Some jobs (some) have policies in place where if you go to management and report you have a drug abuse problem they are not allowed to fire you but give you the opportunity to resolve the problem. That doesn't necessarily mean pay for a rehabilitation program but it gives the employee the opportunity to get their situation fixed. And there is nothing wrong with that.... I think a policy such as this in the NFL is a great way to go and to ignore the problem with only applying fines is not a responsible way of dealing with it.

As for his rant on being an "upstanding citizen" I think he's trying to make a point that the NFL enforces punishments outside the realm of what their contract literally says. That IS a problem. The NFL just needs to put it in writing (what I have a hard time believing is that it's not already there).

Otherwise, you can't disregard what Burnett said - he makes some valid points and he wanted to be heard so he made the comments to the media for a voice.
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This is what I am trying to say but Big Red is better at saying it.
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#38
pastorfreeze said:
Of course being a boss is not enslaving but to say you do this and get this with no bargaining which is in place in enslaving.
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It's called do your job or we'll find someone else that will.


The major sports leagues are a little different because there aren't a lot of guys that can do it. Therefore, they can name their price.
 
#39
#39
Boy, somebody peed in Burnetts Cheerios! Not that I disagree or agree with him on this either. He seems mad!
 
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#40
FTR, not every pro athlete is a multi millionaire.

A lot are simply trying to make a career and get a shot. I do not blame the NFL players for one second for trying to maximize their earnings. They are playing a game, but it's a game that has long lasting physical impact.

Playing pro football isn't 'playing a kids game'.
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#41
#41
kptvol said:
Not sure what the problem is here. Goodell does suck and has for a good while. Suggesting that the NFL should have a protocol for helping players deal with drug problems rather than just punish them for the sake of punishing them isn't a bad thing.
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How dare you suggest this, clearly you want to be a piece of ****.

Seriously though, I agree.
 
#43
#43
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Why?

If I get caught doing drugs, I get arrested. They'll throw me in jail and fine me. Not going to offer my rehab expenses when I get out.

The NFL is running their business the same way the country is run.

These guys are paid millions of dollars to play a game. How long do you want the NFL to baby these ingrates? It's not their job to feed the players ego and hold their hand when they cross the street. They are already giving them millions of dollars.

Adrian Peterson is a slave and Albert Haynesworth refuses to work after getting 50 million up front. "I don't want to play in this system".

F the players. They blow goats and I hope the stupid ones who piss their money down the drain end up working at Walmart.
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You are so edgy
 
#44
#44
why do players keep working for these low wages in this environment while being treated like slaves? they shouldn't stand for this and should go into another type of job or start their own league and treat players with basic dignity and pay them a lot more money.
 
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