Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

[Coach Jumper]

zackly

 

[Majors]

Kellie was hired late in the recruiting process in her first year, and in the second year, there were no campus visits, or face to face visits with players. This year is only the second year of normal recruiting. We’re recruiting against long established Coaches, and it takes time to catch up. We just lost close back to back games against teams ranked 2 and 3 in the country. If we play them again, we could win. The team hasn’t quit, just some posters here.

She’s a 20 year veteran coach, that’s established. Close games isn’t 17 points and 8 points respectively.

Close is 5 or less.

 

[Majors]

Of the 13 players on the team, they lose 6.

Could assume we lose more if 1-2 want to jump in the portal themselves and what is the status on Marta going into 23-24.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Yes, most of this has been said a hundred times so I am not going to rehash all that. You could have just gone down a couple threads and read basically the same comments you wrote.
Coach Kellie did very well in the portal last year. Got the best player available and the #1portal class. Much to early to talk about the portal this coming year.
Coach Kellie needs an OOC schedule like LSU had this year and then many fans will be singing her praises as we will have 2 or fewer losses going into SEC play.

Like LSU’s OOC schedule? I’d say 5 or 6 fewer.

 

[turbovol]

Like LSU’s OOC schedule? I’d say 5 or 6 fewer.

OR: we could win just one freakin' game against a good opponent. Just one! Can't even do that.

 

[chuckiepoo]

OR: we could win just one freakin' game against a good opponent. Just one! Can't even do that.

…that’s a different discussion.

 

[travis929]

Of the 13 players on the team, they lose 6.

There are 16 players on the roster. 6 will graduate but some could use an extra year of eligibility if they wanted to come back (e.g., Key). Players could transfer out, others could transfer in. Next year's current depth chart (players with an extra year if they want it in parentheses):

PG: Powell, Miles, E. Darby
SG: T. Darby, Wynn (Horston, Rennie)
SF: Puckett, Pissott (Jackson)
PF: Striplin, Suarez
C: Hollingshead (Key)

 

[LUVMESUMVOL]

Kellie was hired late in the recruiting process in her first year, and in the second year, there were no campus visits, or face to face visits with players. This year is only the second year of normal recruiting. We’re recruiting against long established Coaches, and it takes time to catch up. We just lost close back to back games against teams ranked 2 and 3 in the country. If we play them again, we could win. The team hasn’t quit, just some posters here.

It didn’t take Niele Ivey long to catch up and her coaching resume was less than CKH

 

[madtownvol]

The ship is definitely taking on some water.The only question is whether the captain and crew can plug the leak before it starts sinking.

 

[Coach Jumper]

The ship is definitely taking on some water.The only question is whether the captain and crew can plug the leak before it starts sinking.

I think this will be revealed in the next few games

 

[Amb3096]

There are 16 players on the roster. 6 will graduate but some could use an extra year of eligibility if they wanted to come back (e.g., Key). Players could transfer out, others could transfer in. Next year's current depth chart (players with an extra year if they want it in parentheses):

PG: Powell, Miles, E. Darby
SG: T. Darby, Wynn (Horston, Rennie)
SF: Puckett, Pissott (Jackson)
PF: Striplin, Suarez
C: Hollingshead (Key)

Assuming this lineup and that the extra year players opt not to return, there is really a huge need for an upgrade at PG, PF and a quality backup center. Guess we know what Kellie will be portal shopping for.

 

[brainvol]

I really like Kellie personally. But most of the best programs have solid recruiting classes as foundation. Lady Vols one recruit 2022 and zero class of 2023. Those are shocking numbers. Kellie won the portal lottery in 2022. It didn't deliver as predicted. Season is not over but is February. Kellie will not be able to be as productive in the portal due to failure to achieve the wins with the portal transfers. The sales pitch won't work again. Hence, 2023 looks very scary for the Lady Vols. Danny White has his hands full here. I'm sure Kellie sees the writing on the wall too.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

It didn’t take Niele Ivey long to catch up and her coaching resume was less than CKH

Ivey was on staff at ND as an assistant, then associate Head Coach from 2007 through 2019, before becoming HC in 2020. She had twelve years to meet and recruit the players ND wanted, before she became HC.

 

[Darth_Vol]

It didn’t take Niele Ivey long to catch up and her coaching resume was less than CKH

Banghart seems to be doing ok...

 

[Darth_Vol]

The future of the Lady Vols 2023 basketball team does not look good. The current team was picked to be #4 and has lost 8 games with two more probable loses (SC and SEC Tournament) and are out of the top 25. Of the 13 players on the team, they lose 6. HoopsGurls rates the top 100 women players. The LV was able to sign only 1 player from the 2022 list and have absolutely none committed from the 2023 list. Where will they get good players as replacements.? There will be some players available from transfers, but these will be players that did not make it on their current teams. In reality, the LV team for 2023 may even be worse than the 2022 team. The LV are the only womens team to have played in every NCAA championship since 1982. There is a possibility that they might miss the championship tournament this year. Coach Harper has not produced results consistent with the traditional Lady Vols teams. There have been numerous complaints against Coach Harper on this website and more will come with the potential coming losses. In summation, the Lady Vols for 2023 look worse than the 8 loss (10 losses before the season is ended). It is to the point that a coaching change must be considered to get the LV back among the top teams.

Kellie couldn't even keep this team with Jackson and Horston in the top 25 for more than five minutes, next year is going to be a bloodbath...

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Banghart seems to be doing ok...

Kellie had a much better start, fans here might have gone ballistic if she had begun like CB.

CB’s record at NC is: 1st year, 16-14, 2nd year, 13-11, 3rd year, 25-7, 16-5 so far, this year.

KH’s record at TN is: 1st year, 21-10, 2nd year, 17-8, 3rd year, 25-9, 16-8 so far, this year, against one of the toughest schedules in the country. We have already played teams ranked, 2,3,4, and 5, in the country.

 

[volfanstuckinga]

What sells you so much on Kara? Not being a jerk just wondering

Sorry for the delay.....ESPN presence....NBA credibility with Boston....3 on 3 success at international level (gold medal).....and a ranked team at Duke. WAY more than Harper had...........

 

[volfanstuckinga]

Not Puckett

Never understood the love for her. If she is playing wing against a HS team playing a 2-3 zone she'd be effective. She's slow and can't guard anyone and can't create her own shot. And Darby is even slower......the game is faster and these girls have gotten left behind

 

[volfanstuckinga]

Kellie was hired late in the recruiting process in her first year, and in the second year, there were no campus visits, or face to face visits with players. This year is only the second year of normal recruiting. We’re recruiting against long established Coaches, and it takes time to catch up. We just lost close back to back games against teams ranked 2 and 3 in the country. If we play them again, we could win. The team hasn’t quit, just some posters here.

You are aware that we have ZERO recruits signed for Class of 23 right???

 

[ttharp]

Kellie had a much better start, fans here might have gone ballistic if she had begun like CB.

CB’s record at NC is: 1st year, 16-14, 2nd year, 13-11, 3rd year, 25-7, 16-5 so far, this year.

KH’s record at TN is: 1st year, 21-10, 2nd year, 17-8, 3rd year, 25-9, 16-8 so far, this year, against one of the toughest schedules in the country. We have already played teams ranked, 2,3,4, and 5, in the country.

You're bringing in an overall record comparison between KH and CB, when your initial point was about why you think Kellie should be given more grace with recruiting.

Banghart and Harper were dealt the exact same hand with lack of campus visits and face-to-face interactions due to COVID. Both are in year 4 as P5 coaches. Yet, CB has been able to get verbals and signatures from top HS talent. And outside of Justine, Kellie hasn't.

Despite two rocky seasons for CB, she's not having an issue getting 5* HS talent to commit to UNC. Do you not think CB has been the better recruiter of HS talent?

 

[Darth_Vol]

You're bringing in an overall record comparison between KH and CB, when your initial point was about why you think Kellie should be given more grace with recruiting.

Banghart and Harper were dealt the exact same hand with lack of campus visits and face-to-face interactions due to COVID. Both are in year 4 as P5 coaches. Yet, CB has been able to get verbals and signatures from top HS talent. And outside of Justine, Kellie hasn't.

Despite two rocky seasons for CB, she's not having an issue getting 5* HS talent to commit to UNC. Do you not think CB has been the better recruiter of HS talent?

 

[Volfaninfl2]

You're bringing in an overall record comparison between KH and CB, when your initial point was about why you think Kellie should be given more grace with recruiting.

Banghart and Harper were dealt the exact same hand with lack of campus visits and face-to-face interactions due to COVID. Both are in year 4 as P5 coaches. Yet, CB has been able to get verbals and signatures from top HS talent. And outside of Justine, Kellie hasn't.

Despite two rocky seasons for CB, she's not having an issue getting 5* HS talent to commit to UNC. Do you not think CB has been the better recruiter of HS talent?

No, I was responding to Darth’s comment.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

You're bringing in an overall record comparison between KH and CB, when your initial point was about why you think Kellie should be given more grace with recruiting.

Banghart and Harper were dealt the exact same hand with lack of campus visits and face-to-face interactions due to COVID. Both are in year 4 as P5 coaches. Yet, CB has been able to get verbals and signatures from top HS talent. And outside of Justine, Kellie hasn't.

Despite two rocky seasons for CB, she's not having an issue getting 5* HS talent to commit to UNC. Do you not think CB has been the better recruiter of HS talent?

I do think CB has done well recruiting high school talent, and done less with it.

Done here, don’t have time to answer each poster who wanted someone different, and starts this conversation every 6 months or so. Each still wants their guy/gal, whether it was Walz, CB, KL, or someone else. Some are TN fans, and some are not, but they were only loyal to the one they wanted, not our Coach.

 

[ttharp]

I do think CB has done well recruiting high school talent, and done less with it.

Done here, don’t have time to answer each poster who wanted someone different, and starts this conversation every 6 months or so. Each still wants their guy/gal, whether it was Walz, CB, KL, or someone else. Some are TN fans, and some are not, but they were only loyal to the one they wanted, not our Coach.

Gotcha.

 

[turbovol]

You're bringing in an overall record comparison between KH and CB, when your initial point was about why you think Kellie should be given more grace with recruiting.

Banghart and Harper were dealt the exact same hand with lack of campus visits and face-to-face interactions due to COVID. Both are in year 4 as P5 coaches. Yet, CB has been able to get verbals and signatures from top HS talent. And outside of Justine, Kellie hasn't.

Despite two rocky seasons for CB, she's not having an issue getting 5* HS talent to commit to UNC. Do you not think CB has been the better recruiter of HS talent?

Exactly! Banghart does not have a pedigree of Summitt and 8 national titles to recruit with. North Carolina's women's team as never won anything--and yet she's kicking Harper's butt in recruiting, and so is everybody else, including other programs that have never won a national title. There's no excuse for our terrible recruiting--none. If we want to be candid about, signing one HS prospect one year and then zero the next, at a school with our tradition, is pretty much a reason to find another coach and staff, if you ask me. They somewhat bailed themselves last year with the transfer class--tho it, not surprisingly, as been less impactful than anticipated. And last year's transfer class is about as good as any program could expect to get. We need another one like it--but it's going to be hard. THIS was the year we needed to win some big games and develop some momentum and let prospects know that this program was trending upward. We've done quite well against lesser opponents but have not won a single game against good opponents. If you're a good coach, you do that. That's what good coaches do. I'm not saying we should have beaten all the top ten teams we've played--but we needed to find a way to win at least a couple of them. We haven't done it and we're pretty much dog-paddling in the sea of mediocrity again. Not where we want to be....