Kamara to Packers 1st Round

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
1. Eagles are in desperate need of a CB. They used the senior bowl last year to find their franchise QB. I believe they'll use the senior bowl this year to find their CB. Cam Sutton was unanimously viewed as one of the best performers at the senior at any position and potentially the most standout player in the secondary. There will be a run on CBs in the first round. I believe Sutton will be one of them.
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Sutton may have been the best CB at the Senior Bowl. The problem is that the best CBs in this year's draft are all underclassmen. He's not coming off the board in the 1st round. He's sure as hell not coming off the board in the top half of the 1st round.

2. Baltimore needs a RB. Ozzie Newsome loves SEC players and regularly picks guys in the first round most don't expect. Alvin is already getting late first round buzz. I think he goes earlier than that. There will be a run on RBs early in the draft. I think Fournette, McCaffrey, and Cook all go in the first 15 picks. That will leave Kamara on the board as the highest rated RB. Ozzie is smart. He'll snatch up Alvin before someone else does.
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Newsome is way too good at his job to take Kamara at #16. If he's desperate for an RB, and he wants Kamara, he's trading down in the first, or up in the second. Like Sutton, Kamara is not getting taken in the top half of the 1st round.

3. Malone can go in round 3 if he kills it at the combine. I believe he has sub-4.4 speed. If he runs a 4.35, I could see someone in the 3rd round taking him based on his measurables and potential. There aren't many 6'3" receivers out there running 4.3. If Malone runs a 4.3 he will skyrocket up the draft boards.
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You said the same thing about Marquez North.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The problem wasn't playing over Hurd. It was playing over Josh Smith. Even if the staff preferred Hurd at RB, there was no excuse for Alvin to ever be on the bench. He was easily our best slot receiver. And whenever we needed big first downs or touchdowns we threw to Alvin. He was easily one of our 3 best offensive players. He should have NEVER left the field.

I would have played Hurd and Kamara together in the backfield on EVERY snap. Even if they didn't get the ball, just being out there would have caused to the defense to pay attention to them which would have given us an advantage.

There was no excuse for Alvin Kamara to be on the bench as much as he was at Tennessee.
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Kamara should have played every snap, practically, for two years. Jones & Co. blew it, just as the blew it by not starting Dobbs sooner. Hurd was fine, often good, but Kamara is a big-play guy. That's where the coaches screwed up. And, yea, maybe you design an offense with Kamara and Hurd--as then the defense has to worry about inside power and outside speed. We leaned on Kamara a lot this year--but how many touches did he get his first year? I remember that he only touched the ball three times, I believe, in the first half against Florida /this year/--and those were late in the half.
 
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Top Gun said:
I'm all in on Butch, but why did Kamara waste away for a year and a half? After he finally got his chance at Texas A&M, it was apparent that he was extremely talented and should have been playing over Hurd all along.
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The Hurd is the Word.
 
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bamawriter said:
Stop trolling.

If you genuinely aren't trolling, stop being a complete idiot.
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Two years ago in the 2015 NFL Draft we had a RB coming off an ACL go in the top 10 (Todd Gurley). In the 2016 NFL Draft we had a RB go in the top 5 (Ezekiel Elliott). In the 2017 NFL Draft we currently have another RB being projected as a top 5-10 (Leonard Fournette). There are currently 4 RBs being mocked in the first round of the 2017 draft (Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey, and Kamara). And for the 2018 NFL Draft there is a RB being projected to be a top 5-10 pick at this time (Saquon Barkley).

The idea the RB has been devalued is a myth. What happened in 2013 and 2014 when no RBs got picked in the first round was a lack of talent. Sure a guy like Le'Veon Bell emerged from the second round. But the talent level during those drafts at the RB position were just weak. The media rather than just saying the talent at the RB position was weak those two years went with the storyline the RB position was devalued cause it was a more interesting story. Once the talent came back to the RB position, guys started getting drafted in the first round once again. And that trend looks like it will continue for another year cause Saquon Barkley is already getting top 5-10 buzz.

RB position was never devalued. The talent coming out in 2013 and 2014 at that position was just weak. PERIOD.
 
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If he goes to GB, Kamara will be in the shadow of Eddie Lacy. Not in a figurative sense pertaining to play on the field, but physically given the rotundness of Eddie Lacy.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Yes it has.
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Why because the media told you?

Do you believe everything the media tells you?

If the RB position has been devauled, explain a guy coming off an ACL going in the top 10 in 2015? Explain another going in the top 5 to a team that could make any RB a 1000 used rusher because of their elite o-line? Or how about this year where there are some mock drafts that have 4 RBs going in the first round?

The devaluation of the RB position is a media myth. If you have the talent you will be taken in the first round. PERIOD.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
RB position was never devalued. The talent coming out in 2013 and 2014 at that position was just weak. PERIOD.
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The RB position is devalued because the rules have changed to favor the passing game, and teams can get by without having to pay out the nose for backs.

There is no way that you watch football.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
]RB position hasn't been devalued. [/B] The talent coming out in the last 5 year's just hasn't been that great. This year's class is historic. I wouldn't be surprised if 2 RBs go in the top 10. And 4 in the first round.
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yes, it has. most everybody carries at least 2 that will see significant playing time, and there's a good many more that carry a 3rd for situational football as pass catchers.

gone are the days of a franchise rb. the emmett smith's and barry sanders days have long been gone.

and you see it every year in free agency. what many may consider top tier running backs left available to go away w/out much of a 2nd thought.

i love Kamara, and i think he'll be good.

and i can see a path to a 1st round pick for him. but it'll be a luxury pick for a team at the end of the round. i do expect him to shoot up a lot of team's boards after the combine, but i think many of those will have him no higher than 2nd round.
 
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The Falcons could use another running back to go with Freeman and Coleman so I think they will trade up from 31 and get another running back or defender......... Whether Kamara or Barnett are on the board is questionable at this point.
 
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sport3500 said:
The Falcons could use another running back to go with Freeman and Coleman so I think they will trade up from 31 and get another running back or defender......... Whether Kamara or Barnett are on the board is questionable at this point.
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The Falcons don't need another running back. If they learned anything from the Super Bowl, they needed to give more carries to the two very good ones that they already have, especially on third down when a FG can ice the game.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
If he goes to GB, Kamara will be in the shadow of Eddie Lacy. Not in a figurative sense pertaining to play on the field, but physically given the rotundness of Eddie Lacy.
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Actually, Lacy lost a bunch weight and played well until he was injured. He should be back at full strength next season.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Why because the media told you?

Do you believe everything the media tells you?

If the RB position has been devauled, explain a guy coming off an ACL going in the top 10 in 2015? Explain another going in the top 5 to a team that could make any RB a 1000 used rusher because of their elite o-line? Or how about this year where there are some mock drafts that have 4 RBs going in the first round?

The devaluation of the RB position is a media myth. If you have the talent you will be taken in the first round. PERIOD.
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need is need. no one said that Rb's don't get drafted in the 1st round. just that you don't have to take one in the 1st round to get a good one. go back to that 2015 draft...Atlanta took a DE in the 1st round, DB in the 2nd....they drafted Coleman in the 3rd round....he's been pretty good for them, and they didn't have to take him early to get him....nor would they because they placed more value on those other picks...but coleman was available....

in that draft, 2 Rb's taken in the 1st, 2 in the 2nd....22 total RB's drafted in that class.

2015 NFL Draft Tracker – NFL.com

look at the 2016 draft as a whole...only 1 RB taken in the 1st round...only 1 in the 2nd....

2016 NFL Draft Tracker – NFL.com

if teams were in such dire need, and place a ton of value, they'd be gobbling these guys up. they're not.
 
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bamawriter said:
The RB position is devalued because the rules have changed to favor the passing game, and teams can get by without having to pay out the nose for backs.

There is no way that you watch football.
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I just saw a superbowl where a RB had 14 receptions and over 100 yards receiving. It's true that the passing game has been favored over the run game in recent years. It's true that a different type of RB might be favored now. But the RB has not been devalued. If 4 RBs go in the first round this year, the RB has not been devalued. If a RB goes in the top 5-10 for the third straight year, the RB position has not been devalued.

The values teams look for in a RB has changed. Pass protection and catching out of the backfield have increase in importance. But teams still want great RBs. No one is saying the DT position has been devalued because teams are no longer drafting pure run stoppers anymore. We just saw A'Shawn Robinson and Jarran Reed fall to the second round last year because they were not great pass rushers. Because the passing game is now valued more, teams are looking for different things in the DT position. They want guys who are pass rushers. Same thing has happened with linebackers. The days of the 250 lbs SAM backer are over. Now teams want 230 lbs linebackers with speed to cover the pass game. The same thing is happening with the RB position. Why else do you think Alvin Kamara is getting so much first round buzz? He's basically the perfect modern NFL RB because of his pass catching abilities.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I just saw a superbowl where a RB had 14 receptions and over 100 yards receiving. It's true that the passing game has been favored over the run game in recent years. It's true that a different type of RB might be favored now. But the RB has not been devalued. If 4 RBs go in the first round this year, the RB has not been devalued. If a RB goes in the top 5-10 for the third straight year, the RB position has not been devalued.

The values teams look for in a RB has changed. Pass protection and catching out of the backfield have increase in importance. But teams still want great RBs. No one is saying the DT position has been devalued because teams are no longer drafting pure run stoppers anymore. We just saw A'Shawn Robinson and Jarran Reed fall to the second round last year because they were not great pass rushers. Because the passing game is now valued more, teams are looking for different things in the DT position. They want guys who are pass rushers. Same thing has happened with linebackers. The days of the 250 lbs SAM backer are over. Now teams want 230 lbs linebackers with speed to cover the pass game. The same thing is happening with the RB position. Why else do you think Alvin Kamara is getting so much first round buzz? He's basically the perfect modern NFL RB because of his pass catching abilities.
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and he was drafted in the 4th round. i'm not sure you understand what "devalued" means.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Actually, Lacy lost a bunch weight and played well until he was injured. He should be back at full strength next season.
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He did look smaller than he did at times during 2015 and played better (early on in the season) but by the time GB played Dallas the first time in 2016, he was reverting back to 2015 Eddie both in terms of weight and performance. He was injured soon thereafter.

Eddie Lacy has reportedly gained back all the weight he lost in the offseason - CBSSports.com
 
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Mel Kiper doesn't even have Sutton as a Top 10 CB in his position rankings, which is crazy

Cornerbacks
1. **Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
2. *Teez Tabor, CB, Florida
3. Tre'Davious White, LSU
4. *Sidney Jones, Washington
5. *Quincy Wilson, Florida
6. **Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
7. Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
8. *Gareon Conley, Ohio State
9. Jourdan Lewis, Michigan
10. Desmond King, Iowa
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He has Barnett as the 5th best DE, a little low IMO.

He has Dobbs as the 10th best QB, probably about right on that one.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Mel Kiper doesn't even have Sutton as a Top 10 CB in his position rankings, which is crazy



He has Barnett as the 5th best DE, a little low IMO.

He has Dobbs as the 10th best QB, probably about right on that one.
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espn hates us.
 
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To further reinforce the value of the modern running back:

In 2016, only 4 teams invested more than $10 million of cap space in running backs (and only one spent more than $11 million). In 2013 that number was doubled (with 5 spending more than 11). That's despite the fact that the 2016 salary cap was over $32 million more than the cap in 2013.

There are 11 teams, 1/3 of the league, currently slated to spend less than $3 million on running backs in 2017, including both Super Bowl squads.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
It doesn't matter. Kamara won't even be available for them to pick. He's going 16th overall to the Baltimore Ravens.

Here is my Vols Mock Draft:

Round 1, Pick 11: New Orleans Saints select DE Derek Barnett (Tennessee)
Round 1, Pick 15: Philadelphia Eagles select CB Cameron Sutton (Tennessee)
Round 1, Pick 16: Baltimore Ravens select RB Alvin Kamara (Tennessee)
Round 2, Pick 51: Cleveland Browns select QB Joshua Dobbs (Tennessee)

3 Vols will be picked in the 1st round. At least 4 Vols in the first two days. Possibly 5 if Malone runs as fast at the combine as I expect.
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Want to have a friendly wager on this?
 
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jakez4ut said:
and he was drafted in the 4th round. i'm not sure you understand what "devalued" means.
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And the QB throwing to him was drafted in the 6th round.

Just because you can find good players in the later rounds doesn't mean the position is devalued. It just means the talent evaluators aren't going a good job.
 
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