Kamara Showing Out

#177
#177
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. Nope. Hurd is better than any of those RBs in Alabama.

How many times do you guys have to be told NFL ain't college.

Fournette and Cook are getting exposed right now. And they were the talk of college football. Kamara was barely used and he's the talk of the combine.

Some guys are simply just great in college while others are great in the NFL.

Jalen Hurd just has problems. But as a NFL talent he is better than any of those overrated Alabama RBs.
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Hurd is nowhere close to the Ala RB's. Hurd is soft for a RB his size. He rarely initiated contact and more times than not tried to bounce it outside. He also went down way too easy for a 240lb RB and rarely ran defensive guys over like you see from other comparable RB's. Say what you want about Fournette but he loves contact and will just assume run you over than around you. I would put Kamara and Fournette as 1a and 1b then Cook.
 
#181
#181
KBVol said:
So all those idiot GMs and NFL guys who know nothing , who don't remotely have the brilliance and acumen that you do.....they knew that AK isn't a burner, while you proclaimed he was on the cusp of winning his own island via his world class speed?

I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked.
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40 yards doesn't show world class speed. It shows world class acceleration.

Usain Bolt isn't the fastest man on earth over 40 yards. Just look at the Olympics where he only ever pulls away from the pack at the 60 meter mark.

Chris Johnson probably can't run a sub-10 second 100 meters. But he could probably beat Usain Bolt over 40 yards.

World class speed = sub 10 second 100 meters

World class acceleration = 4.3 40
 
#183
#183
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
40 yards isn't that long. I made the mistake of thinking that elite initial burst would be strong enough to carry him to an elite 40 time. Obviously that didn't happen.

Still doesn't change my opinion of him. I always knew his top end speed wasn't that great. He got caught from behind way too much on tape. But those were typically runs where he's already more than 40 yards downfield.

I was hoping he could get past 40 yards before his lack of great top end speed exposed itself.
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That last sentence.....wut?
 
#184
#184
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
More quick than fast. That is what the tape showed.

I was just hoping his intial explosion could have lasted for 40 yards.

Still the best RB in this draft.
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I thiught his initial burat off the line was really really bad, hope he can get coached up on how to fix that before the pro day because i think it really really did an injustice to his overall speed.
 
#185
#185
n_huffhines said:
He went from late 1st round/early 2nd to probably early 3rd with his measurables
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??

Kamara has probably had the best combine of all the RBs. You do know there are other events than the 40 right? He has only secured his position as a late 1st/ early 2nd pick.
 
#186
#186
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
40 yards doesn't show world class speed. It shows world class acceleration.

Usain Bolt isn't the fastest man on earth over 40 yards. Just look at the Olympics where he only ever pulls away from the pack at the 60 meter mark.
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Wrong. Bolt's advantage is that he can maintain his top speed for longer than his opponents. He doesn't continue to accelerate down the length of the track.
 
#188
#188
MockingVol said:
??

Kamara has probably had the best combine of all the RBs. You do know there are other events than the 40 right? He has only secured his position as a late 1st/ early 2nd pick.
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He had a really good combine. I wouldn't say it was the best. The 40 really matters for RBs, and at his size his 40 wasn't good. I will say that he looked really smooth in the receiving drills.
 
#189
#189
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
More quick than fast = great first step explosion but not necessarily great top end speed

That is what his outstanding vertical and broad jump numbers show.

Alvin has exceptional acceleration to reach his top end speed really quick. That is great fit getting through holes in the NFL. His top end speed just isn't fast enough to pull away from guys at the second level.

If you want me to say I was wrong then here it is. I was WRONG in thinking Alvin could run a 4.3. I was hoping the 40 was short enough that his lack of elite top end speed wouldn't be exposed but it ultimately was.

I'll still predict Dobbs to run 4.4 and Malone to a 4.3. Hopefully Cam also gets into the 4.3s.
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I'm going to go on record and say you'll be wrong on all these 40 times.
Dobbs 4.5-4.6
Malone 4.5
Cam 4.5-4.6
 
#190
#190
05_never_again said:
The Browns having a player as #1 on their board is like saying Kim Kardashian has Soren Kierkegaard #1 on her board of best philosophers.
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You didn't just lose 98% of TN fans, but about 95% of people in the South, and probably 90% of people in the U.S. entirely with your reference.


And you get a like because of it.
 
#191
#191
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not trolling. Those are my true opinions.

I just don't care if silly things like what 40 I think a guy runs is wrong.
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I think it's abundantly clear that you do care. Otherwise, why spend a dozen pages defending, justifying, explaining, and then downplaying your opinion?
 
#192
#192
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
40 yards doesn't show world class speed. It shows world class acceleration.

Usain Bolt isn't the fastest man on earth over 40 yards. Just look at the Olympics where he only ever pulls away from the pack at the 60 meter mark.

Chris Johnson probably can't run a sub-10 second 100 meters. But he could probably beat Usain Bolt over 40 yards.

World class speed = sub 10 second 100 meters

World class acceleration = 4.3 40
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The first carry I ever saw Chris Johnson take, ran around right end for East Carolina, and I couldn't believe it. Thought right then, that's the fastest guy/football player I've ever seen. And I grew up watching Cliff Branch, Tony Dorsett, Darrell Green, and then Bo Jackson, and Deion Sanders later on. You know it when you see it so when Johnson ran a combine record 4.24, I wasn't surprised. It's also why I knew with certainty that Alvin wouldn't run 4.3....him and pretty much everybody else. When you really do see a guy capable of running that fast you know it quickly because it's so rare.
 
#193
#193
bamawriter said:
Wrong. Bolt's advantage is that he can maintain his top speed for longer than his opponents. He doesn't continue to accelerate down the length of the track.
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Regardless of what you wanna call it over 40 yards Bolt isn't the fastest man on earth. As evidenced by the fact in the 100 he's always in the middle of the pack early on.

Chris Johnson could probably beat him in a 40.
 
#194
#194
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
40 yards doesn't show world class speed. It shows world class acceleration.

Usain Bolt isn't the fastest man on earth over 40 yards. Just look at the Olympics where he only ever pulls away from the pack at the 60 meter mark.

Chris Johnson probably can't run a sub-10 second 100 meters. But he could probably beat Usain Bolt over 40 yards.

World class speed = sub 10 second 100 meters

World class acceleration = 4.3 40
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I would urge you to see how many people have ever officially run 40m faster than Bolt. Don't assume*, research.

And just so you know when Bolt ran his 9.58 he was already in the lead at 20m and pulled away from there.

*Your ability to conflate what you believe/feel with reality staggering at times.
 
#195
#195
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Regardless of what you wanna call it over 40 yards Bolt isn't the fastest man on earth. As evidenced by the fact in the 100 he's always in the middle of the pack early on.

Chris Johnson could probably beat him in a 40.
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Possibly, but not "probably."

That doesn't change the fact that both men would have reached their top speed within 40 yards. You being surprised that the 40 was long enough to expose Kamara's top end speed indicates that you don't understand how the human body works, or you don't understand distance.

And for the record, I think Kamara could run somewhere around 4.5 or 4.6 if he got a good first step. It's unfortunate that it didn't work out for him today.
 
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#196
#196
volnbama_ said:
I'm going to go on record and say you'll be wrong on all these 40 times.
Dobbs 4.5-4.6
Malone 4.5
Cam 4.5-4.6
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Malone ran 4.49 in high school as a skinny kid. Hopefully he can improve on that now. I think he can get that down to the 4.38-4.44 range.

Dobbs should be in the 4.48-4.54 range.

Cam should be in the 4.42-4.48 range.
 
#197
#197
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
How is that any different than any other rumor going around right now about where guys will go?

Its all hearsay.
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Sure it's all hearsay, but do I really have to explain the difference between a rumor started by internet poster, BrownzDawgPound4Lyfe, and a rumor from a reputable source like Mike Mayock, for example, who has actual real, tangible connections inside these NFL front offices?

If you don't see the difference, let me know and I'll slow down.
 
#198
#198
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Regardless of what you wanna call it over 40 yards Bolt isn't the fastest man on earth. As evidenced by the fact in the 100 he's always in the middle of the pack early on.

Chris Johnson could probably beat him in a 40.
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Bolt would leave Johnson in the dust. Not even a good comparison.
 
#199
#199
cncchris33 said:
Sure it's all hearsay, but do I really have to explain the difference between a rumor started by internet poster, BrownzDawgPound4Lyfe, and a rumor from a reputable source like Mike Mayock, for example, who has actual real, tangible connections inside these NFL front offices?

If you don't see the difference, let me know and I'll slow down.
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The other posters on that site trusted him like some of the insiders here. I'm assuming that's because he's delivered truthful information in the past.
 
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