K-Mac and Tuttle key to victory against OU

[sjt18]

I would bet my life you said the same during the Dooley years.

Butch didn't start Dobbs until Worely was injured...you would have to be a total sheep to blindly trust they don't make mistakes in always playing the best guys.

Coaches are paid millions of dollars so we have every right to question then especially after huge errors such as not playing Dobbs earlier happens.

You can be as ignorant as you want. But you DON'T know even a fraction of what the coaches know about these players or how best to develop them.

If I said it while Dooley was at UT then so be it. It is truth... and one that doesn't change unless someone decides to give YOU full access to every meeting and team activity.

 

[crunchimusmaximus]

The fact us no one knows how good a guy is until he actually plays in a real game.

Peterman was a practice warrior by all accounts.

On the flip side there have been uber great talents throughout the decades who didn't even try during practice but dominated games on sheer ability.

 

[crunchimusmaximus]

You can be as ignorant as you want. But you DON'T know even a fraction of what the coaches know about these players or how best to develop them.

If I said it while Dooley was at UT then so be it. It is truth... and one that doesn't change unless someone decides to give YOU full access to every meeting and team activity.

The truth is the coaches don't always know how good a guy is until he actually plays meaningful reps in a game.

All the team meetings and practices in the world want change that fact.

 

[Pacer92]

The fact us no one knows how good a guy is until he actually plays in a real game.

Peterman was a practice warrior by all accounts.

On the flip side there have been uber great talents throughout the decades who didn't even try during practice but dominated games on sheer ability.

Allen Iverson?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dang straight....it was foolish not to play Kmac more against BG unless Butch really is saving him up for Oklahoma.

I'm actually fine with Kmac not playing much aganst Bowling Green. They're the sort of team that limits his skillset. We should have played Kirkland more. Now that was a huge mistake considering how many plays he made when he was out there compared to Colton Jumper.

I expect Kmac and Shy to have their coming out part in that 3 game stretch when we play Arkansas, Georgia, and Alabama. All like to run the ball out of power formations. Thats when we'll see the value in a Kahlil McKenzie and Shy Tuttle. They'll take up multiple blockers and collapse the pocket allowing our ends and linebackers to make huge plays.

 

[sjt18]

The truth is the coaches don't always know how good a guy is until he actually plays meaningful reps in a game.

All the team meetings and practices in the world want change that fact.

I don't actually disagree with that. What I disagree with is that any fan is in a position to think they know more based on practices that they HAVE NOT SEEN. If we were talking about two guys who had actually played... like Thomas vs Kendrick at RT then I think we have at least a basis for comparison.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Big bodied DL weren't the best option versus a fast paced offense like BGSU and probably not against another in Oklahoma.

Calm down....Their time is coming..

But a fast rangy athletic MLB like Darrin Kirkland would. No excuse for starting Colton Jumper over him. We need him against Oklahoma.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Especially given how impressive true freshmen on other teams have been so far. Just look around the nation see how many true freshmen made huge impacts in week 1. Everyone knows about what Josh Rosen did, but I watched a replay of the Louisville/Auburn game and Louisville had a true freshmen QB (Lamar Jackson) come in after the first quarter and almost lead them to a comeback victory over Auburn. Gary Danielson was comparing him to Mike Vick. And I couldn't disgree. I also saw 5 star true freshmen Kyler Murray, Daylon Mack and especially Christian Kirk ignite Texas A&M in their win over ASU.

I watched lots of games over the weekend and heard true freshmen after true freshmen breaking the 2-deep of several quality teams and making big-time contributions early. No reason why our stud true freshmen can't do the same considering we had a consensus top 5 recruiting class according to every service.

Butch needs to man up and put the best playermakers out on the field. Not the guys he thinks won't make the most mistakes. Sometimes coaches focus more on what can go wrong with trusting young players than focusing on what can go right.

I do think their plan is to slowly ease the two freshmen into regular contributing roles, but my concern is that doing so will forfeit some games THIS year, just like holding Dobbs out, last year cost the team some wins.

They were planning on NOT playing Dobbs at all last year, and if Worley had not gotten injured, we would have gone 4-8...regressing and making their recruiting pitch all the harder. In fact, not only did Dobbs save the season, but he gave recruits enough hope in the near future, that we were able to land a top 5 class again.

There is no doubt in my mind that playing Worley all the way through the season, as they planned to do...would have cost us Richmond, Boulware, Phillips and a few more, in recruiting. We would be lucky to land a 20-25th ranked class in that case. Dobbs salvaged the season and the class.

With such a major impact, why not put the best athlete on the field. Khalil doesn't need to be as far along as the Juniors or seniors in terms of hand technique and such. The guy is already larger than most NFL DT's....and mark my word, he will be the No.1 overall draft pick when he comes out. Just like he was the No.1 overall recruit last year. Conversely, I doubt Obrien or Williams even get drafted at all, when they come out.

The guy has size, strength and skill that we just do not have on the DL, currently. No one is even close. There is not a single other DL that has the ability to just plow an OL over like Khalil can.

So, in the OU game, maybe he doesn't start, but he should at least be in the regular 2-deep rotation...he and Tuttle.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

I don't actually disagree with that. What I disagree with is that any fan is in a position to think they know more based on practices that they HAVE NOT SEEN. If we were talking about two guys who had actually played... like Thomas vs Kendrick at RT then I think we have at least a basis for comparison.

I have NEVER seen a HS recruit dominate his position the way Khalil did, and just bowl 5* OL recruits over in the Opening, like he did. His thighs and calves are twice the size of most players on the field. He's just a freak of nature, who is more than ready to compete at this level, physically. If EVER there were a time to start a true freshman at DT, he would be the one, and now would be the time. The OU game will prove to be a pivotal one in the season. Win that matchup and the team has an avalanche of confidence going into the heart of the SEC schedule. Lose it, and it takes a lot of wind out of our sails.

Playing two or 3 undersized and average DT's ahead of him just because they happen to be upperclassmen, will prove to be a pivotal mistake.

 

[Pacer92]

But a fast rangy athletic MLB like Darrin Kirkland would. No excuse for starting Colton Jumper over him. We need him against Oklahoma.

I won't disagree w that. Jumper looked lost mostly.

This week that position will show its teeth, or lack thereof...

 

[terrypedigo]

They are not the key this year, if we get 4 sacks from Barnett and company and put pressure on there QB we win, if not we lose its not that hard to figure this game out.

 

[Pacer92]

I have NEVER seen a HS recruit dominate his position the way Khalil did, and just bowl 5* OL recruits over in the Opening, like he did. His thighs and calves are twice the size of most players on the field. He's just a freak of nature, who is more than ready to compete at this level, physically. If EVER there were a time to start a true freshman at DT, he would be the one, and now would be the time. The OU game will prove to be a pivotal one in the season. Win that matchup and the team has an avalanche of confidence going into the heart of the SEC schedule. Lose it, and it takes a lot of wind out of our sails.

Playing two or 3 undersized and average DT's ahead of him just because they happen to be upperclassmen, will prove to be a pivotal mistake.

I really don't think it's a talent thing with khalil or Shy, yet an experience thing.

These are fast paced COLLEGE offenses that neither have seen or been exposed to.

They are more suited to defending the Tennessee Titans as opposed to the Oklahoma Sooners, body and speed wise.

Let's let these kids learn the college game before we annoit them saviors.

They both will have their moments to shine this year, but being 330 plus, I doubt it's against a fast break offense.

:hi:

 

[1standgoal]

Without any pressure by the DT's, the QB has all day to step into the pocket and find an open receiver, making everything that much harder on the DB's in coverage. Pass defense starts on the line of scrimmage. Agree with the OP for personnel changes.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

They are not the key this year, if we get 4 sacks from Barnett and company and put pressure on there QB we win, if not we lose its not that hard to figure this game out.

Wrong. The reason neither of them got a single sack this past Sat, against a mid-major team, was because we had NO interior push/rush...and both DE's kept blowing by Johnson as he stepped up in the pocket. If he can't step up, he gets sacked and the DE's have a field day.

It goes hand in hand. I'm sure Bowling Greene was thankful they didn't have to face neither K-Mac or Tuttle much, in the game.

 

[sjt18]

I have NEVER seen a HS recruit dominate his position the way Khalil did, and just bowl 5* OL recruits over in the Opening, like he did. His thighs and calves are twice the size of most players on the field. He's just a freak of nature, who is more than ready to compete at this level, physically. If EVER there were a time to start a true freshman at DT, he would be the one, and now would be the time. The OU game will prove to be a pivotal one in the season. Win that matchup and the team has an avalanche of confidence going into the heart of the SEC schedule. Lose it, and it takes a lot of wind out of our sails.

Playing two or 3 undersized and average DT's ahead of him just because they happen to be upperclassmen, will prove to be a pivotal mistake.

I like McKenzie and share your enthusiasm. I am anxious to see him play. That doesn't qualify me, nor you, to decide when he plays. We just don't have enough info. And you never want to put a guy out there when he's either physically or mentally unprepared.

They played Tuttle a good bit this past week. I suspect KM's absence is nothing more or less than what Jones said- he missed some time and isn't ready to go yet. The wait probably won't be long.

 

[VolTx]

I'm with you, OP. Even the experts have been picking KMac for their "ultimate D-line" or whatever. I think Butch makes the Worley Mistake if he doesn't play them against OU.

I agree with the OP as well. If you re-watch the game, Tuttle was getting outstanding push. McKenzie can certainly match that or better. He may not be in optimal shape and able to get as many snaps, but he can certainly play more. He's not Junior Samples.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

please stop

 

[sjt18]

Wrong. The reason neither of them got a single sack this past Sat, against a mid-major team, was because we had NO interior push/rush...and both DE's kept blowing by Johnson as he stepped up in the pocket. If he can't step up, he gets sacked and the DE's have a field day.

It goes hand in hand. I'm sure Bowling Greene was thankful they didn't have to face neither K-Mac or Tuttle much, in the game.

You need to watch the game again. UT got pressure from the front AND the DT's controlled the middle run game.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

I really don't think it's a talent thing with khalil or Shy, yet an experience thing.

These are fast paced COLLEGE offenses that neither have seen or been exposed to.

They are more suited to defending the Tennessee Titans as opposed to the Oklahoma Sooners, body and speed wise.

Let's let these kids learn the college game before we annoit them saviors.

They both will have their moments to shine this year, but being 330 plus, I doubt it's against a fast break offense.

:hi:

If they are "saviors," it's only in the sense that they bring both size and skill that WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE....currently. What part of that is so difficult to comprehend?

You erroneously assume they cannot handle an up-tempo offense. Really? Based on what information? They didn't play any up-tempo offenses in HS, or have you forgotten that they have been practicing against an up-tempo offense?

Even though BG ran a fast-paced offense, they substituted a lot, themselves. OU won't be any different. They will want to be very multiple and will HAVE to substitute in order to change up their personnel packages.

 

[KINGSVOL]

I just want one thing to happen and the rest will take care of itself; I want the D to get ANGRY!!!!!!! Put Kahlil in and tell him to demoralize his opponent and GAME OVER!

 

[Pacer92]

If they are "saviors," it's only in the sense that they bring both size and skill that WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE....currently. What part of that is so difficult to comprehend?

You erroneously assume they cannot handle an up-tempo offense. Really? Based on what information? They didn't play any up-tempo offenses in HS, or have you forgotten that they have been practicing against an up-tempo offense?

Even though BG ran a fast-paced offense, they substituted a lot, themselves. OU won't be any different. They will want to be very multiple and will HAVE to substitute in order to change up their personnel packages.

Simply based on their size and age. They aren't there yet...

Let them evolve. This game is not on their shoulders. C'mon

 

[VOLorNuttin]

You need to watch the game again. UT got pressure from the front AND the DT's controlled the middle run game.

I did re-watch it...last night. Even watched many plays multiple times. They DID NOT get any real push up the middle! The scoreboard and stat sheet make that abundantly clear.

Johnson lit up our secondary because TOO MANY TIMES he was allowed to step up into a clean pocket and delivered a strike downrange. You can argue with a signpost if you want, but you can't argue with statistics.

 

[OrangeSquid]

Don't know if anyone else saw this, but ; it was posted over in the practice updates:
"Kmac black strip removed, will start saturday, I don't think OK can stop him".-CBJ
Also, the green jerseys were off KMac and Martin and Mcneil on field practicing in green. :clapping:

 

[Freak]

Don't know if anyone else saw this, but ; it was posted over in the practice updates:
"Kmac black strip removed, will start saturday, I don't think OK can stop him".-CBJ
Also, the green jerseys were off KMac and Martin and Mcneil on field practicing in green. :clapping:

That was nationdom, I believe. It wasn't a real quote from Butch.

 

[sjt18]

I did re-watch it...last night. Even watched many plays multiple times. They DID NOT get any real push up the middle! The scoreboard and stat sheet make that abundantly clear.

Johnson lit up our secondary because TOO MANY TIMES he was allowed to step up into a clean pocket and delivered a strike downrange. You can argue with a signpost if you want, but you can't argue with statistics.

Not arguing with statistics... just you. The DT's did job one- they clogged the middle. They also go pressure on several occasions. O'Brien even had one of the sacks... the other two came on blitzes.