Justifications for Playing Bray

#101
#101
R481967 said:
It's not just Bray vs Simms; for the most part this is a very young team. The OL is getting Matt killed, but they are picking up weight and strength and I believe the year will end on a better note than it began.

Valid observations from every post I've read here; I line up with the view that Simms is not better but more physically mature. Bray, who possesses the athletic abilities that Simms lacks, needs time to develop his strength and stamina. Then he plays; probably full-time by year-end. IMO.
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I seriously doubt the OL is picking up weight. The opposite is usually true during the season--especially with this Ol having to really bust their tails.
 
#103
#103
PeytonBerry said:
I think saying Simms manages the game better because he has more experience is a weak argument. You just don't know that. "possible solutions" "imagine what a true freshman would have done." That is not real evidence, only speculation.
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I think saying Bray should start over Simms because he looks better to you (not the coaching staff) is an even weaker argument. I trust in the coaches to do what is best for the team, because it will ultimately reflect on what is best for themselves.
 
#105
#105
PeytonBerry said:
8. If Bray was the better QB, he would be playing.

I used the example earlier of Mike Vick in Philly. Was he the better QB from Day 1, or did he just magically become the better QB once Kolb got injured? I agree we should support our coaches, but you can't just say the coaches are ALWAYS right. SOMETIMES, the backup is better.
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Question. Do you believe this coaching staff can sit in the quarterback meeting rooms each week and discuss game plans, go to the practice field to practice execution of those game plans and go back and review film with the quarterbacks of the practices, make adjustments to game plans and coach adjustments to the execution by the QBs AND STILL MAKE THE INCORRECT CHOICE ON WHO SHOULD START AND PLAY THAT WEEK?

If these coaches go through that process each day and each week and still are wrong, we certainly have the wrong coaches at Tennessee.
 
#106
#106
I think some people are putting a lot of faith in a QB's play during mop up duty.

I predicted that Simms was brought in to hold the QB spot until the OL started to gel. I still think that's the case. However, I don't think the OL will be ready until the Memphis game.
 
#107
#107
Bray is waaaay to young to face SEC Defenses right now...Unless Simms gets hurt, its his job and he should play the majority!!! However, if the game is out of hand, I see nothing wrong with at least playing Bray a few snaps just to get him some ingame reps...

Simms will be the QB next year as well. Right?? If so, the OL will be better and if they can keep the heat off him, he will be an outstanding QB.

The losses we have right now are not Simms fault, I think he has played great considering the circumstances..
 
#108
#108
Bray playing right now = Erik Ainge part 2. Remember how good he looked until the end of the first half? It took almost two years for him to recover mentally and physically.
 
#109
#109
justingroves said:
I think some people are putting a lot of faith in a QB's play during mop up duty.

I predicted that Simms was brought in to hold the QB spot until the OL started to gel. I still think that's the case. However, I don't think the OL will be ready until the Memphis game.
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we don't play Memphis in 2011?? :)
 
#110
#110
LWSVOL said:
Question. Do you believe this coaching staff can sit in the quarterback meeting rooms each week and discuss game plans, go to the practice field to practice execution of those game plans and go back and review film with the quarterbacks of the practices, make adjustments to game plans and coach adjustments to the execution by the QBs AND STILL MAKE THE INCORRECT CHOICE ON WHO SHOULD START AND PLAY THAT WEEK?

If these coaches go through that process each day and each week and still are wrong, we certainly have the wrong coaches at Tennessee.
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That is fair. A poster on VN is not as qualified as the coaches. They know better than me. With that said, coaches have been wrong before, and I think this could possibly be one of those times. Maybe not.

Just because the coaches are more qualified doesn't make every decision they make the right one. I think we have good coaches but they make mistakes just like everyone else (ie. 13 men on the field).
 
#111
#111
rockwoodvolfan said:
Bray is waaaay to young to face SEC Defenses right now...Unless Simms gets hurt, its his job and he should play the majority!!! However, if the game is out of hand, I see nothing wrong with at least playing Bray a few snaps just to get him some ingame reps...

Simms will be the QB next year as well. Right?? If so, the OL will be better and if they can keep the heat off him, he will be an outstanding QB.

The losses we have right now are not Simms fault, I think he has played great considering the circumstances..
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So if youth is a deciding factor, Manning, Clausen, and Ainge should have waited a year. Bray is no more "young" then they were as freshman. Heck Ainge didn't even get here till fall camp, and he led his team to Atlanta.
 
#112
#112
PeytonBerry said:
That is fair. A poster on VN is not as qualified as the coaches. They know better than me. With that said, coaches have been wrong before, and I think this could possibly be one of those times. Maybe not.

Just because the coaches are more qualified doesn't make every decision they make the right one. I think we have good coaches but they make mistakes just like everyone else (ie. 13 men on the field).
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someone needs to determine that quickly and make replacements if that is happening.. could be true and swift action is required if so.

making a bad scheme decision in the heat of the moment is not near as poor as making wrong personal choices after weeks of data
 
#114
#114
PeytonBerry said:
There were definitely a lot of people clammoring for him, but he had shown nothing to say he was better than Ainge. He in no way shape or form looked like an All-pro NFL QB. Ainge was a three year starter and very solid. Simms came at the same time as Bray, and has yet to prove himself like Ainge had.
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The cliche is said all the time but still holds truth, Everybody's favorite person is the back-up QB. He makes no mistakes bc he doesnt play often.

Simms was playing against GAs #1s while Bray played against their 2s and 3s. You cant rate his performance as deserving of a starting position.

He is a good QB, and I believe after more time in the system, that he will be our starter next year or even at the end of this season depending on how everything turns out. Right now though, Simms is the better option. He has more experience, in this system as well as in college ball. He got here before Bray did. And he is older and a leader of this team. The players say it all of the time. He's got some release issues to work on and he needs better protection but I think Simms will be our guy until season's end, more than likely.

You remember when everybody was saying that Stephens was better than Crompton and we should start him? I do, because I was one of the guys saying it.

Then they decided to put him in against Wyoming... we all know how that ended. These coaches have been involved in this sport longer than a lot of us have been and I think it's safe to say that they will make the best decission.

Im not trying to be a homer for Simms, I bought a Bray jersey in the Spring, that how I was feeling about it all, but I think the kid needs more time to learn the system and he will be a great leader next year. Especially after the HGH and steriods he gets this summer... lol


GO VOLS!
 
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#115
#115
I truly believe the coaches are waiting till the Memphis game to start Bray. It's almost not fair to put a freshman QB in with five new O-line and three being freshman, and the other a JUCO. It's not right to Bray. Let's wait till Memphis when the schedule gets easier, he can get some valuable experience, and we talk about next year, and if we win those four games, he's get valuable practice time and another game.
 
#116
#116
NEVolFan said:
Even after 4 Liters of the Kool-Aid...I have to concur, there are not many wins left on the schedule. Therefore, why not plan for the future...if that involves Bray, then he should be playing in every game from here on out.
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Because, as CDD sees it....

...We’re here to win the next game. We’re not here to lay the foundation but we’re here to try to win the next game. We’re laying a foundation by the values we’re instilling. That’s what we’re doing but our objective is to win the next game and that’s what we’re going to keep trying to do week-to-week.
 
#117
#117
You might want to consider getting a Bray tat on your back. When people try to dispute your claims just rip off your shirt and show it to them then just look at them like.. yeah.. that's right.
 
#118
#118
PeytonBerry said:
So if youth is a deciding factor, Manning, Clausen, and Ainge should have waited a year. Bray is no more "young" then they were as freshman. Heck Ainge didn't even get here till fall camp, and he led his team to Atlanta.
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Manning for one, in his freshman year played behind an oline made up of guys like Bubba Miller and Jason Layman who were juniors and would go on to extensive NFL careers
If Bray had that kind of a line in front of him he would probably be starting.
 
#119
#119
Jake Tate said:
The cliche is said all the time but still holds truth, Everybody's favorite person is the back-up QB. He makes no mistakes bc he doesnt play often.

Simms was playing against GAs #1s while Bray played against their 2s and 3s. You cant rate his performance as deserving of a starting position.

He is a good QB, and I believe after more time in the system, that he will be our starter next year or even at the end of this season depending on how everything turns out. Right now though, Simms is the better option. He has more experience, in this system as well as in college ball. He got here before Bray did. And he is older and a leader of this team. The players say it all of the time. He's got some release issues to work on and he needs better protection but I think Simms will be our guy until season's end, more than likely.

You remember when everybody was saying that Stephens was better than Crompton and we should start him? I do, because I was one of the guys saying it.

Then they decided to put him in against Wyoming... we all know how that ended. These coaches have been involved in this sport longer than a lot of us have been and I think it's safe to say that they will make the best decission.

Im not trying to be a homer for Simms, I bought a Bray jersey in the Spring, that how I was feeling about it all, but I think the kid needs more time to learn the system and he will be a great leader next year. Especially after the HGH and steriods he gets this summer... lol


GO VOLS!
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That would be incorrect, Bray was an early enroller and got here at the same time.
 
#120
#120
VolFanTX said:
Because, as CDD sees it....

...We’re here to win the next game. We’re not here to lay the foundation but we’re here to try to win the next game. We’re laying a foundation by the values we’re instilling. That’s what we’re doing but our objective is to win the next game and that’s what we’re going to keep trying to do week-to-week.
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Nice quote, thanks for the new Sig
 
#122
#122
I was more impressed with the few drives Bray had in the UGA game than I have been with Simms all season long. Brays upside IMO is far greater than what we will see out of Simms. That being said, I am no coach..but Bray has made a few throws that I haven't seen out of Simms yet. I would love to see Bray get more snaps in games, just to see what he can do...and not in mop up duty.
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#123
#123
It added the truth. If Bray gave us a much better chance to win he would be in there. The coaches obviously don't think he does so the play Simms. Simple as that.

PeytonBerry said:
I just don't understand posts like this. What did that add?
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#124
#124
I can’t believe many of you are pushing to dump Simms so soon. QB is not the problem. In fact, I feel the offense is in better than our defense. How many times have you seen anyone make a tackle on first contact, against UAB or anyone? The 2nd QB is always the most popular player on the team. Let Simms lead the team and work Bray in when you can. Bray looked great!, but let’s not forget how well Simms has done. What is his season passer rating? 127+ with 3-5 dropped balls a game?
 
#125
#125
PeytonBerry said:
That would be incorrect, Bray was an early enroller and got here at the same time.
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Yea I knew Bray was, because he was part of the group they were afraid of losing. but I thought Simms got here before that. Sorry, my bad. So they got here at the same time. Doesnt make my point any less valid. Simms still has more college experience than Bray.
 
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