Just watched the Oregon vs. New Mexico Highlights...

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I'm going to completely dismiss the fact that the pac-10 usually plays a down sec team. Aside from that, I'd still like to see the offensive yardage comparison and see how many yards you actually put up on our defenses. You can win the game 3-2 but that doesn't mean you have a great offense.
 
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Bumi said:
In all honesty, I haven't the slightest idea what your issue is or was with my original post. It seems to me that you wished to find issues where none existed.

I never made a comment on what Oregon or Florida would or could do to UT's defense, as both are unknowns. I simply made the point that Oregon runs a more innovative and effective version of the spread than Florida does; which for the time being rings true.
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Obviously I found issues with your original post, so did many other posters on this thread. If you couldn't find them then you need to look a bit harder.

The inference of "Oregon runs a more creative and effective version of the spread than Florida", given in the context of the comment (UT is used to speed-option offenses used by more talented Florida teams), is that UT will not be prepared for Oregon because they run a more effective and creative version of the spread offense than Florida does. Thus UT's experience vs UFs system (previous games, 07-09) is null.

That is the logical, step-by-step conclusion used to identify the inference of your previous post that myself and other posters found ridiculous. If that is not what you were trying to say then refer to the above steps on how to make a good post on a forum (or use multiple posts to revise your original statement, which is what you did).
 
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TennTakedown said:
I'm going to completely dismiss the fact that the pac-10 usually plays a down sec team. Aside from that, I'd still like to see the offensive yardage comparison and see how many yards you actually put up on our defenses. You can win the game 3-2 but that doesn't mean you have a great offense.
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Valid point. Prime example: 2009 Tennessee Volunteers vs UCLA Bruins. The Bruins were atrocious on offense, had they not had 1 broken tackle on the tight end to score a tough down (due to provided field position) and been given field position to 3-and-out and kick field goals they would not have won the game. That had nothing to do with good PAC-10 offense (186 total yards and a broken jaw) and everything to do with an unprepared and poorly run volunteers football squad.

I'm sure there's examples to the contrary, I just don't know what they are, and that example fully illustrates your point.
 
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Oh, so you have to go with the El Camino Community College dig on Simms, huh? Wanna talk about starting qbs, what happened to your early heisman hopeful, Masoli? Not even with UO anymore, huh? Simms may not be the greatest college qb, but at least he doesn't go around robbing fraternities... STFU
 
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OrangeDust said:
Obviously I found issues with your original post, so did many other posters on this thread. If you couldn't find them then you need to look a bit harder.

The inference of "Oregon runs a more creative and effective version of the spread than Florida", given in the context of the comment (UT is used to speed-option offenses used by more talented Florida teams), is that UT will not be prepared for Oregon because they run a more effective and creative version of the spread offense than Florida does. Thus UT's experience vs UFs system (previous games, 07-09) is null.

That is the logical, step-by-step conclusion used to identify the inference of your previous post that myself and other posters found ridiculous. If that is not what you were trying to say then refer to the above steps on how to make a good post on a forum (or use multiple posts to revise your original statement, which is what you did).
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If you wish to draw your own conclusions and over analyze my post, that's on you. My post was simple, direct, and as you yourself have pointed out; True.

And you're wrong. The post I responded to claimed Florida and Oregon run the same spread offense, which isn't true, and I responded as necessary.

By the way, your condescending manner of posting isn't warranted nor wanted. Keep it classy. :good!:
 
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OrangeDust said:
Valid point. Prime example: 2009 Tennessee Volunteers vs UCLA Bruins. The Bruins were atrocious on offense, had they not had 1 broken tackle on the tight end to score a tough down (due to provided field position) and been given field position to 3-and-out and kick field goals they would not have won the game. That had nothing to do with good PAC-10 offense (186 total yards and a broken jaw) and everything to do with an unprepared and poorly run volunteers football squad.

I'm sure there's examples to the contrary, I just don't know what they are, and that example fully illustrates your point.
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EXACTLY...I'm workin on finding all the match-ups (not going so well though lol) so I can look at em game by game and actually find out what kind of numbers their self-proclaimed "prolific offenses" put up on our defenses...I might even throw in some turnover ratios in there too.
 
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pasadenavol said:
Oh, so you have to go with the El Camino Community College dig on Simms, huh? Wanna talk about starting qbs, what happened to your early heisman hopeful, Masoli? Not even with UO anymore, huh? Simms may not be the greatest college qb, but at least he doesn't go around robbing fraternities... STFU
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Or get caught with weed......well, Matt's brother Chris did but that's beside the point. LOL And why would Masoli steal a LAPTOP? That's just dumb.
 
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#84
has anyone in the pac-10 even thought about the fact that their former heisman hopeful qb in masoli isn't even starting at OLE MISS, they don't even have Sneed anymore. Not to mention when he got in against jacksonville state he didn't look so hot either.
 
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NickZ4UT said:
I would agree with that, Stewart has been great for Carolina so far. Time will tell with Dixon, he's gonna have to get a starting job and I am aware he is slated to start for Pittsburgh but who knows how he'll do and when Big Ben comes back he'll be back to riding the bench.
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Yep. Up to Dixon now to make a case for himself.
 
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TennTakedown said:
I'm going to completely dismiss the fact that the pac-10 usually plays a down sec team. Aside from that, I'd still like to see the offensive yardage comparison and see how many yards you actually put up on our defenses. You can win the game 3-2 but that doesn't mean you have a great offense.
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lol so if UO wins, does that mean tennessee is a 'down' SEC team? Is that what you're saying? But if tennessee wins, then you'll all crow about how good you are. lol sounds like he's hedging his bets already folks... :eek:lol:

but seriously, we get it: you guys love your team and its tradition.

back to the topic: that WAS a vanilla playbook the ducks ran last week vs UNM. Whichever one of you vols fans called that out totally missed the point of that post. CK always has something up his sleeve and he never tips his hand. But it looks like you have, amigo.

Tennesse will give the ducks a hard time and could find this game to be very winnable if they can run the ball between the tackles, just like ohio state tried to do in the rose bowl.

One thing I hope you guys realize is that no matter what happens in this game, it benefits us both greatly to root for the other team for the rest of the season.

Good luck Vols!

GO DUCKS!!!

ps thanks for onterrio!
 
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TennTakedown said:
Just because he knows the offense completely doesn't mean that he is ready to just open the playbook up and run whatever. The coaches have to know if he can make the throw under pressure in a stadium of 100,000 fans on the road.

I meant to say something about us being in the same situation...I completely agree with the fact that Simms has the same thing coming his way, but I didn't say that we we're vanilla because of who we we're playing.
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Why wouldn't you be vanilla opening against an FCS squad? Oregon certainly would have been, had they opened against Portland State.
 
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TennTakedown said:
someone finally gets me lol...I type 90 wpm but its not very accurate, so I have a lot of "errors" lol. I usually catch em and go back and fix em though but I think I'm just gonna leave that one alone.
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Dude, I hate to tell you but, you also misspelled MURRRVILL in your profile....... :)
 
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Bumi said:
If you wish to draw your own conclusions and over analyze my post, that's on you. My post was simple, direct, and as you yourself have pointed out; True.

And you're wrong. The post I responded to claimed Florida and Oregon run the same spread offense, which isn't true, and I responded as necessary.

By the way, your condescending manner of posting isn't warranted nor wanted. Keep it classy. :good!:
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I didn't feel I was being particularly condescending before, though I must admit the concise nature, complex sentence structure, and quality word choice of my posts tends to give the appearance of me having a superiority complex at times.

As far as drawing my own conclusions, that's a fair point. The problem with that is at least 5 other posters drew the same conclusions I did, while 0 posters drew similar conclusions to yours. Perhaps the problem (as I have already stated) is your lack of extrapolation on what your statement was. Just because you knew what you were thinking about doesn't mean it was explained clearly.

The point of the post you commented on does not change just because you commented on it. The inferences drawn from the post you made (because it was not fully explained) are logically drawn based on the purpose of your post (pointing out a possible fallacy in the logic of the other post). The inference of your post being that the stated experience vs Florida's spread is invalid because Florida's spread is inept by comparison. This is the structural breakdown of the original arguments (statement and your counter-statement) above. There is no disputing this.

I'm sorry that you either don't agree with or understand what it is I'm talking about (if that is the case), but the bottom line is if you don't want this to happen, clean up your statements. This is, however, becoming repetitious and frivolous so I must go ahead and declare that if you disagree with me in this situation, you are wrong.

Sorry to go full douche-bag on this but honestly I've had to repeat myself more than once about something as easy to understand as this. I'm tired of doing it. If you still don't get it go take a basic philosophy class and learn how to state an argument.
 
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ZDuck75 said:
lol so if UO wins, does that mean tennessee is a 'down' SEC team? Is that what you're saying? But if tennessee wins, then you'll all crow about how good you are. lol sounds like he's hedging his bets already folks... :eek:lol:

but seriously, we get it: you guys love your team and its tradition.

back to the topic: that WAS a vanilla playbook the ducks ran last week vs UNM. Whichever one of you vols fans called that out totally missed the point of that post. CK always has something up his sleeve and he never tips his hand. But it looks like you have, amigo.

Tennesse will give the ducks a hard time and could find this game to be very winnable if they can run the ball between the tackles, just like ohio state tried to do in the rose bowl.

One thing I hope you guys realize is that no matter what happens in this game, it benefits us both greatly to root for the other team for the rest of the season.

Good luck Vols!

GO DUCKS!!!

ps thanks for onterrio!
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ok I'm just gonna start with, you're an idiot...next I'm gonna go ahead and encourage you to look at any other thread on here and you'll find somewhere in that thread that someone has talked about how far down we are. Tennessee has been a down sec team for the last couple years that we had to deal with phil fulmer as our coach. Again I still can't believe that Oregon fans are arrogant enough to think that their first year starter qb is ready to come to Neyland stadium and open up the playbook. I really can't wait to see if he can really respond like you think that he will...even though you have nothing to base that on, esp. not a win over NM. We were just pleased to not see 3 int's nxt to our starting qb's name. We def don't think that we're just gonna open up the playbook in the 2nd game of the season.
 
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pasadenavol said:
Oh, so you have to go with the El Camino Community College dig on Simms, huh? Wanna talk about starting qbs, what happened to your early heisman hopeful, Masoli? Not even with UO anymore, huh? Simms may not be the greatest college qb, but at least he doesn't go around robbing fraternities... STFU
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The point was that arguments for the likely ineffectiveness of Oregon's first-time-starting QB are equally applicable -- if not more so -- to Simms.

And, there's a salve for that...
 
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TheGreenCloaca said:
The point was that arguments for the likely ineffectiveness of Oregon's first-time-starting QB are equally applicable -- if not more so -- to Simms.

And, there's a salve for that...
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I'll tell you till I'm blue in the face that Simms has a LONG way to go before we start puttin him in the same column as former UT QB's. But our QB showed he can be just that, not a glorified scat back. Even Darren Mcfadden can throw a screen pass or a short slant across the middle...that doesn't mean he should've been playing QB.
 
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NickZ4UT said:
I hope he does, I was pulling for him to win the Heisman that year before he got hurt, I genuinely believed you guys would have run the table had he not gone down.
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That was extremely frustrating, as you might imagine. Ducks had already been savaged by injuries, and Dixon dropping was the linchpin being pulled out.
 
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OrangeDust said:
I didn't feel I was being particularly condescending before, though I must admit the concise nature, complex sentence structure, and quality word choice of my posts tends to give the appearance of me having a superiority complex at times.

As far as drawing my own conclusions, that's a fair point. The problem with that is at least 5 other posters drew the same conclusions I did, while 0 posters drew similar conclusions to yours. Perhaps the problem (as I have already stated) is your lack of extrapolation on what your statement was. Just because you knew what you were thinking about doesn't mean it was explained clearly.

The point of the post you commented on does not change just because you commented on it. The inferences drawn from the post you made (because it was not fully explained) are logically drawn based on the purpose of your post (pointing out a possible fallacy in the logic of the other post). The inference of your post being that the stated experience vs Florida's spread is invalid because Florida's spread is inept by comparison. This is the structural breakdown of the original arguments (statement and your counter-statement) above. There is no disputing this.

I'm sorry that you either don't agree with or understand what it is I'm talking about (if that is the case), but the bottom line is if you don't want this to happen, clean up your statements. This is, however, becoming repetitious and frivolous so I must go ahead and declare that if you disagree with me in this situation, you are wrong.

Sorry to go full douche-bag on this but honestly I've had to repeat myself more than once about something as easy to understand as this. I'm tired of doing it. If you still don't get it go take a basic philosophy class and learn how to state an argument.
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Well aren't you full of yourself. :birgits_giggle:

Of course posters found issue with my post, I'm not only a fan of Oregon, but also a heated rival. UT happens to play them both in the coming weeks, so tension amongst fans is high. I don't expect everyone to be rationale and cordial, hostility is the nature of fandom. Doesn't mean there's nor your own frustrations were warranted. My post had merit, as you've already admitted.

As for your theatrics? I must admit, I did get hardy chuckle out of them. Sadly, rolling out the good ole thesaurus was unnecessary, as your grammatical fortitude doesn't make you any more right than your initial misplaced response. You could paint these forums with words akin to Shakespeare; You're still wrong.

Considering this isn't a philosophical debate, lessons in Epictetus's theories of stoicism would prove irrelevant in this arena. What you're looking for would be debate itself, or something involving communications. :thumbsup:

But I agree, this conversation is finished.
 
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TennTakedown said:
ok I'm just gonna start with, you're an idiot...next I'm gonna go ahead and encourage you to look at any other thread on here and you'll find somewhere in that thread that someone has talked about how far down we are. Tennessee has been a down sec team for the last couple years that we had to deal with phil fulmer as our coach. Again I still can't believe that Oregon fans are arrogant enough to think that their first year starter qb is ready to come to Neyland stadium and open up the playbook. I really can't wait to see if he can really respond like you think that he will...even though you have nothing to base that on, esp. not a win over NM. We were just pleased to not see 3 int's nxt to our starting qb's name. We def don't think that we're just gonna open up the playbook in the 2nd game of the season.
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heh, what makes you think the ducks are gonna open theirs? We dont need our young qb to be lights out. Even without misdirection and option reads, your teams defense would be very hard pressed to stop the tandem of LMJ and Barner.

CK looks at OOC games as warmups for the real action, which is conference play. We, as duck fans, all want to see another win over an SEC, albeit a down SEC team, but really this game dosnt mean anything to the ducks. The pac10 conference title is the real prize. We win the pac, we go to the rose bowl. Nobody can take that from you. The NC is voted on anyway, not played for, you know it, and i know it... even if you think i'm an idiot. just because the SEC team (see: Tebow) have been the beneficiary of a beauty contest dosnt mean they've always deserved it. But the Rose Bowl, well rankings and polls cant keep you out of it. If you win, you're in.

There's too many people out there that feel the way alot of you do about the ducks (or anything thats different, for that matter) so we know we're never gonna get a title shot. Your past seems to trump any modern accomplishments of a team like the ducks, and the ducks past apparently dictates that they arent allowed to be considered 'good'.

its a nice little hypocrisy you got goin, but its workin for ya...

all that bein said, i still think this will be a good game, hard fought, with a few momentum swings, and the mighty ducks of oregon finally prevailing. Then, if you guys hold your end of the bargain, you'll win the SEC, and maybe we'll play again, later...

Good luck Vols!

GO DUCKS!!!
 
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TennTakedown said:
I'll tell you till I'm blue in the face that Simms has a LONG way to go before we start puttin him in the same column as former UT QB's. But our QB showed he can be just that, not a glorified scat back. Even Darren Mcfadden can throw a screen pass or a short slant across the middle...that doesn't mean he should've been playing QB.
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You understand that UO and UT's offenses differ rather dramatically, yes?
 
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