Just wanted to share my myspace blog bout UT and Bama NCs

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KLayneUT8

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may be the wrong place feel free to move




I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama's claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.

To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.

'TWELVE' national championships is fraudulent, nothing but a big ole money bag grade tub of Canadian moose piss. Made up by the SID Department. Here's a rundown:


1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.


The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.


1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!


1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!


1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!


1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!


1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .


1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.


1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.


1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one cause the UPI named champions before bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.


1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.


1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.


1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.


You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs were given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Tennessee could claim six national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Tennessee has two. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously...Who else has two unanimous National Championships...Da Vols!!!!You can't find an Tennessee site claiming six national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.
Debunking the Alabama National Championship myths.


At the same time, Tennessee could claim at least 6 national titles using the Bammer methods.

1938- Tennessee went 11-0 and was awarded the NC by the Dunkel and Litkenhous Polls.

1940-Da Vols went 10-1 and was awarded the NC by the Williamson and Dunkel Polls

1950-Tennessee went 11-1 and was awarded the NC by the Dunkel Poll

1951-AP National Champs also UPI and Litkenhous Polls (legit) .

1967- Tennessee goes 9-2 and awarded the NC by the Litkenhous Poll.

1998- The Vols go 13-0 and win the BCS, AP, USAToday/ESPN National Championship (legit)

Tennessee only claims the 1951 and 1998 national title. HOWEVER..IF Alabama can claim some of the ones that they claim, we have ever right to claim the ones above.


Bama...legends in their own minds!

References:

The University of Tennessee Six Time National Champions

Past Division I-A Football National Champions

NCAA Division I-A National Football Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ESPN: Overall state football rankings - SportsNation

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You'll find anything to say that Alabama doesn't have 12 NC's to help you sleep at night. Stop crying. Go ahead. Claim them. We still have 6 more.
 
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im just sayin its not 12 as all the mindless bammers say...dang fellas i thought yall wud like that
 
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1) Good research.

2) I do not care what they say, do, or claim as long as we beat them each 3rd Saturday in October.
 
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I donot like Bama regardless of the past NC's or whatever right they have to claim one. I say we just need to continue Fulmer's dominace over them.
 
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Good work except for the part about UT not claiming 6 NC's. The 4 questionable NC's that we do claim are a lot less dubious than some of the ridiculous titles that Bama claims. Wasn't it the 1938 team that was the only team in history to go undefeated and unscored on?
That team has every right to claim a NC.
 
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Gator fans would do well to read about some of these titles so that the can learn their place in college football history. I hate hearing their cocky fans that know nothing about football before Spurrier's coaching days. I've never met a fanbase that has more self-proclaimed experts who don't know what the hell they are talking about.
 
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I'd just like to say that, contrary to your blog, the NCAA recognizes absolutely 0 championships in Div1/FBS football.
 
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Thanks for reposting the article from the Auburn message board. I have the same thing saved from about 3 years ago. I use it when Bammers get out of hand.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Wasn't it the 1938 team that was the only team in history to go undefeated and unscored on?
That team has every right to claim a NC.
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That was the '39 team. They went 10-0 and never allowed a point in the regular season. George Cafego got hurt before the Rose Bowl and we lost 14-0 to USC.

The '38 team, which went 11-0 and beat undefeated Oklahoma 17-0 in the Orange Bowl, has every right to claim a national title and is often mentioned as a UT national championship team even in the media. The AP picked Texas Christian, but the AP wasn't "gospel" then; it had just begun two years prior.

The NCAA recognizes UT with six national titles because it recognizes Helms, Dunkel, Dickinson, Houlgate and all those other selectors. Although some of them are questionable, Alabama finished first in 12 different seasons in one or more of those systems.

The fact that another poll was not taken after the bowls for so long really skews the history of college football. UT was the best team in the nation in 1950, but really only about fourth-best in 1951 (they played the best team in their bowl and lost). Even the players on those teams have said the '50 team was better. But all the record books call the 1951 team a champion and '50 an also-ran, because of the silly system in place.

Several schools other than Bama have a ton of NCs counting this way; I think Oklahoma has even more than they do. UT doesn't have as many because we've been historically more consistent. We've never had a season with more than seven losses, and only one with that many since 1910. Bama and OU have had quite a few, but they've also had more truly super seasons.
 
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VolzRChamps said:
Thanks for reposting the article from the Auburn message board. I have the same thing saved from about 3 years ago. I use it when Bammers get out of hand.
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you caught me but i figured i put a lil orange and white twist on it...that cool???
 
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The bottom line is that bammer sucks. Yeah it is pathetic that they have to make stuff up to feel relevent or to have a double digit number on their tacky maroon t shirts but as long as we beat them then I am happy!
 
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Retroactive titles are awesome and all, but with the hiring of the second greatest coach ever to coach, Alabama decided they needed some way to trump their past practice of awarding titles years after the fact.

Word on the street is that Alabama has decided now to award titles in advance. So, come September 6, the (probably 0-1) Bammers will file into Bryant-Denny Stadium for the ceremony honoring the 2008 National Champions. I hear it's a hot ticket, and that the banner is going to be houndstooth.
 
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