Just to add fuel to the "Hamilton is an idiot" fire

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strongtower said:
:eek:lol:Thanks for the laugh your :loco:
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Obviously you're quite a bit smarter than I am, so I would love for you to just outline what Hamilton has done so erroneously; what YOUR decisions would have been; and finally who you think should step in and take over.
 
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awebb7 said:
Hiring Kiffin was not a mistake. That was a package deal. NO ONE knew the series of events that would take place that eventually took him out of Knoxville.

Pearl was a home run hire at the time; however he can look no further than his bathroom mirror to find the one to blame for his departure.
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Hindsight being 20/20, hiring Kiffin was a disastrous mistake. While no one could have known when he was hired what would happen, all accounts indicate that Kiffin did inform Hamilton when Carroll left USC that he would interested in the job if offered. The thing was that nobody even imagined enough people would turn USC down to the point the Kiffin would get that offer. Hamilton stood by and did nothing, and then we got burned. As if that weren't enough, he compounded that mistake by hiring Dooley because he was hell bent on hiring a coach by the end of that week.

I don't think Dooley is going to work out here, but even if he does, Hamilton doesn't deserve any of the credit because it will be nothing more than pure dumb luck. Dooley wasn't on Hamilton's list for the coaching search in '08 (a year where La Tech was much more successful than the year prior to Dooley's hiring) and was only interviewed in 2010 after 5+ candidates turned us down.
 
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Tux said:
It is funny that writers think that they know more about how to run an athletic department than an actual AD who has run a profitable collegiate program. Yet, when people write blogs, they want to tell everyone that because they are bloggers, they don't know anything about what they are writing about and have no credibility.:lol:
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There's more to running a successful athletic department than profitability. The men's athletic department has become a laughing stock on Hamilton's watch.
 
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Tux said:
Mike Hamilton running an even more profitable athletic program during an economic depression is even more impressive-all while embarking on an aggressive facility building campaign.

Hamilton did the right thing in making his announcement when he did. It had to be done to prevent a possible ground swell of emotion from UT fans. It sent a message to the NCAA that the UTAD is sincere in abiding by the rules, and it got the ball rolling in it's coaching search.

In the end, we will not be punished as hard without Pearl as we would have with him, we get all of the bad blood out now rather than later, and we are able to aggressively identify and pursue our new coach quickly.
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Tennessee is lucky as he!! that USC hired Kiffin, if not we would be in deep sh*t with both programs. Hammy made both hires. Plus he has mishandled the Pearl thing from the first press conference. I say fire his a$$.:yes:
 
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strongtower said:
:eek:lol:Thanks for the laugh your :loco:
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awebb7 said:
Obviously you're quite a bit smarter than I am, so I would love for you to just outline what Hamilton has done so erroneously; what YOUR decisions would have been; and finally who you think should step in and take over.
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I'm still waiting.

It is people like you, jumping the gun and making rash, bold decisions that really create problems. Hamilton has overall been great for Tennessee, and I have yet to see someone legitimately demonstrate that he has been a failure.
 
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awebb7 said:
I'm still waiting.

It is people like you, jumping the gun and making rash, bold decisions that really create problems. Hamilton has overall been great for Tennessee, and I have yet to see someone legitimately demonstrate that he has been a failure.
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Easy enough. Go back and watch our football team's games from the past 3 seasons. Mike Hamilton either hired, or retained the head coach for each one of those mediocre/awful teams. Turn on ESPN and watch as UT takes shot after shot from the media about the Pearl situation. Look at our baseball record over the past few seasons. Hamilton hired that coach as well. One of the two main phases of his job is the hiring and firing of personnel. He's been an outright failure in that regard. He's been a success at raising money. That means he's succeeding at 50% of his job. At no school I ever attended and no endeavor in life I've otherwise undertaken was 50% considered anything other than failure.
 
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Three football coaches in three years at a football (even a non football) school tells me a lot. Three NCCA investigations into three separate programs regarding coaches hired by the AD, tells even more.
 
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Hamilton has done plenty to draw hatred before, but now he has just become a scapegoat for the Pearl lovers. It is kind of pathetic.
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Pound of flesh, you know. Actually I've felt for several months that BP was probably gone. But MH's timing for the interview was really, really bad, regardless of one's view on BP. To make the statements he made just before the biggest BB event of the year with all the talking heads, and have the University be dragged through the mud during that time was, well, incompetent. Don't know how else to describe it. I don't see how he can be fired at this point in time, with the replacement of a BB coach imminent, the time frame being a difficult obstacle to overcome. But I do believe that it has shortened his stay here, with heads rolling at the next opportunity. This has been a PR nightmare for UT.
 
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awebb7 said:
High road? He was starting the coaching search. This 90% of the fanbase crap shouldn't be part of the argument either. A large segment of the fanbase wanted fulmer to stick around until he died. I couldn't care less what sportswriters think.
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so your argument is that even though the main men's sports aren't competing for championships and are under NCAA scrutiny, we are making a profit? hey come sit in our pretty facilities and watch us lose? while we are getting blown out by FL, I should feel good because we are profitable?
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bleedorange0037 said:
Easy enough. Go back and watch our football team's games from the past 3 seasons. Mike Hamilton either hired, or retained the head coach for each one of those mediocre/awful teams. Turn on ESPN and watch as UT takes shot after shot from the media about the Pearl situation. Look at our baseball record over the past few seasons. Hamilton hired that coach as well. One of the two main phases of his job is the hiring and firing of personnel. He's been an outright failure in that regard. He's been a success at raising money. That means he's succeeding at 50% of his job. At no school I ever attended and no endeavor in life I've otherwise undertaken was 50% considered anything other than failure.
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basketball coach we've EVER had. Pearl screwed up--but that doesn't negate the fact that he was a great hire. Also, Hamilton deserves serious kudos for sacking Fulmer--who could have easily hung around a few more years being a loser fat cat. Hamilton had the rocks to drop him. Yea, Kiffin didn't work out--but that was bad luck. Baseball--yea, this guy had not been good but it's not a revenue sport. All in all I think Hamilton has been a good AD.
 
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armchair said:
basketball coach we've EVER had. Pearl screwed up--but that doesn't negate the fact that he was a great hire. Also, Hamilton deserves serious kudos for sacking Fulmer--who could have easily hung around a few more years being a loser fat cat. Hamilton had the rocks to drop him. Yea, Kiffin didn't work out--but that was bad luck. Baseball--yea, this guy had not been good but it's not a revenue sport. All in all I think Hamilton has been a good AD.
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I guess you must be proud that the three major sports at UT are under NCAA scrutiny? You are wrong on Fulmer. If Hamilton had rocks he would have fired him after the loss to Vandy in 2005. Keeping Fulmer then sent a message tha mediocrity was a way of life at UT as long as we keep making money and most of the other coaches in the SEC did a great job of pointing that out to recruits.

And hiring Kiffin was not just bad luck. Al Davis sent Hamilton a letter telling him that Kiffin would destroy the football program at UT. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but Hamilton's incompetence is true 3D in Tennessee.
 
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onevol74 said:
I guess you must be proud that the three major sports at UT are under NCAA scrutiny? You are wrong on Fulmer. If Hamilton had rocks he would have fired him after the loss to Vandy in 2005. Keeping Fulmer then sent a message tha mediocrity was a way of life at UT as long as we keep making money and most of the other coaches in the SEC did a great job of pointing that out to recruits.

And hiring Kiffin was not just bad luck. Al Davis sent Hamilton a letter telling him that Kiffin would destroy the football program at UT. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but Hamilton's incompetence is true 3D in Tennessee.
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Fulmer's decision wasn't Hamilton's to make in 2005. He inherited Fulmer and wasn't given the approval to fire him until is was obvious to most that Fulmer was ruining or had ruined the program. The only thing curious about that situation was the huge contract awarded. Not sure if that was Hammy or the money folks setting up Fulmer for a profitable exit.
 
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shyster said:
Pound of flesh, you know. Actually I've felt for several months that BP was probably gone. But MH's timing for the interview was really, really bad, regardless of one's view on BP. To make the statements he made just before the biggest BB event of the year with all the talking heads, and have the University be dragged through the mud during that time was, well, incompetent. Don't know how else to describe it. I don't see how he can be fired at this point in time, with the replacement of a BB coach imminent, the time frame being a difficult obstacle to overcome. But I do believe that it has shortened his stay here, with heads rolling at the next opportunity. This has been a PR nightmare for UT.
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Seems everything is about Hamilton and Pearl. But, it seems most people have forgotten about the players. Hamilton definitely did not take them into consideration. He put the players in a bad position. It sure makes it difficult to compete when you have your own AD throwing the team under the bus just before the tournament starts. That was irresponsible and just plain stupid on Hamilton's part.

He should have know better. He shot the football team in the foot when he forced Fulmer to resign and they lost the next game to an unknown. Now he does the same to the basketball team.

What really annoys me on top of that is that Hamilton let UT be dragged through the mud by standing by Pearl and now seems to be on the verge of letting him go. Sounds like someone who can't make a decision let alone the right one. I'm glad I'm not the one having to make the decision because I like Pearl but if the ultimate decision is to let him go it should have been done back when everything first came out.

While everyone has been dogging out Raleigh, they need to look how the team is doing now. Everyone expects things to turn around right away when a new coach is hired but it takes time to get your program going and your players in place. The basketball may be on the verge of a similar transition.

I'm not thrilled about how Football and Baseball got to where they are now but it does look like Football is moving in the right direction and baseball may be too. We'll see how they do once they get into SEC play.

I'm thankful for Pat Summit and our woman's team and for them to consistently be around the top of the woman's game.

GO VOLS!!!!!!!!
 
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awebb7 said:
ESPN is sweating Hamilton to take attention away from ohio state. Hamilton has done what was expected of him since he was hired.
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What, fire a legendary football coach, hire a douchebag as his replacement and then tell everybody he's thinking about firing his basketball coach 2 days before they tip off in the NCAA tournament?
 
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CardassianVol said:
Hamilton has done plenty to draw hatred before, but now he has just become a scapegoat for the Pearl lovers. It is kind of pathetic.
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Absolutely wrong. "Summer's Eve" Hamilton has needed firing for several years. Most of his athletic supporters pointed to Pearl as one of his successes even though it was Grunfeld that picked Pearl for him. It IS pathetic that a school like the University of Tennessee has an AD that should be a national spokesperson for douches.
 
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