just read something interesting on the new 25 rule for nsd

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according to an article on the bleacher report yes the limit is 25 for the current recruiting year on signing day but you can still back count and be ok. so according to the vandy game on senior night ut had 16 seniors plus they lost jackson,meline,martin,askew,hughes,sykes,williams,pope, and more than likely you can forget loften so that puts them at 25 i know you have thomas and bullard out there but do you think dooley finds a way to sign more than 25 players this year please anybody with any insight please elaberte.
 
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Pretty sure back counting stopped last year in the SEC. Other conferences allow it still but the SEC locked it down.
 
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pretty sure backcounting is allowed in the SEC just not oversigning. It is based on your previous year's #. Can't remember our # but I doubt we left any slots open
 
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You can only have a total of 25 players enroll for the fall semester, and that does not include back counts. The signing class also has to be at or under 85 total scholarship players.
 
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That's what I thought so as long as dooley stays with in the 85 he's good I wonder if the four players that got suspended would be asked to leave to make room for guys
 
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You can sign 25 per year.

If you sign less than 25 in a year, you can back-count up to three, meaning a year after you sign 22 you can sign 28.
 
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volfrk86 said:
That's what I thought so as long as dooley stays with in the 85 he's good I wonder if the four players that got suspended would be asked to leave to make room for guys
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IIRC 2 were walkons and 1 was a senior so it really only frees up 1 spot
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You can only have a total of 25 players enroll for the fall semester, and that does not include back counts. The signing class also has to be at or under 85 total scholarship players.
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sign or enroll? I thought the 25 limit also eliminated sign and place players too so no more reaches
 
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utvolpj said:
sign or enroll? I thought the 25 limit also eliminated sign and place players too so no more reaches
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Enroll. It didn't eliminate S&P but made it much more important to get your guys in. Another thing, we have until fall to get the numbers right. And as far as back counting, I don't think we'll ever have to worry about back counting with Dooley.
 
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So in 2011 we signed 27, in 2010 we signed 27, in 2009 we signed 22 and in 2008 we signed 18. Assuming the ones that were suspended are gone....how many do we have left on scholly? And how many can we sign this year?

It was my understanding that the SEC rule said that we can't oversign...(aka, the Les Miles has to tell two kids he signed that there isn't room for them). But we can back count. I may be wrong?
 
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You can count back. UF is especially depending on this given that we currently have 65 scholarship players including graduating seniors. We are looking to sign at least 27.
 
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IIRC you can sign more than 25 bc of back counts from past cycle..Juco go against the 25 hard cap now. ie UF is looking at a class of 28-30 this cycle...with 7-10 EE.
 
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Tenn has no backcounts. We signed full class last year.

Would have had 1 if Pat Martin had not enrolled, but he did.
 
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You can back count but they have to be early enrollees. Anyone who enrolls after May 1 is automatically included in the 25. So if you bring in say 23 in August and have 2 remaining (or backcounts) those 2 can be used but they have to be early enrollees.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Unless we have a couple of guys not going to make it grade wise, yes.
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Do we have any known John Brown's in this group of recruits?

(I think that was his name...the big DT that orginally went to Florida, failed out, was at a Mississippi junior college, we signed him a couple of years ago even though the chances of him making the grades were slim..and sure enough, he did not make it grade wise)
 
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Only 25 new players can be added, meaning they do not count against the previous 85 on the roster. Backcounting is no longer the term used but exemption. If a team can replace an counter to the 85 via an EE that player can be exempt from counting against the 25 incoming class.

The interesting thing is how that has be suggested it would happen. So recruiting experts have said players that leave early for the draft, graduate in Dec. or transfer at the end of the semester, their spots can be filled by the exemption. Makes sense because last UA had a player leave in Sept because of some family issues. Leaving UA 1 spot against the 85 open. Meaning he was a counter and we could baccount.

So no one knows but it looks like more of a smoke screen was put up in all this and still ways to get around it.
 
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TideWarrior said:
Only 25 new players can be added, meaning they do not count against the previous 85 on the roster. Backcounting is no longer the term used but exemption. If a team can replace an counter to the 85 via an EE that player can be exempt from counting against the 25 incoming class.

The interesting thing is how that has be suggested it would happen. So recruiting experts have said players that leave early for the draft, graduate in Dec. or transfer at the end of the semester, their spots can be filled by the exemption. Makes sense because last UA had a player leave in Sept because of some family issues. Leaving UA 1 spot against the 85 open. Meaning he was a counter and we could baccount.

So no one knows but it looks like more of a smoke screen was put up in all this and still ways to get around it.
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Well said, TW. Regardless of the mechanics of this, I wouldn't worry too much about the specifics at this point. Dooley is a lawyer, and thus is in the best position to interpret the rules and get the most guys in. Sooner or later, we'll find out exactly how this was done. Until then, people with knowledge have said we are signing a full class, so let's assume that.
 
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megalo said:
Well said, TW. Regardless of the mechanics of this, I wouldn't worry too much about the specifics at this point. Dooley is a lawyer, and thus is in the best position to interpret the rules and get the most guys in. Sooner or later, we'll find out exactly how this was done. Until then, people with knowledge have said we are signing a full class, so let's assume that.
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Yep exactly. We have 19 seniors on scholly leaving. # Juniors going to the draft for sure. So that is 22 players gone. We have 20 commited already and most of our recruiting sites say we are bringing up to 8 more in. So go figure with the new rule. As long as Saban can make it work I really do not care.
 
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TideWarrior said:
Only 25 new players can be added, meaning they do not count against the previous 85 on the roster. Backcounting is no longer the term used but exemption. If a team can replace an counter to the 85 via an EE that player can be exempt from counting against the 25 incoming class.

The interesting thing is how that has be suggested it would happen. So recruiting experts have said players that leave early for the draft, graduate in Dec. or transfer at the end of the semester, their spots can be filled by the exemption. Makes sense because last UA had a player leave in Sept because of some family issues. Leaving UA 1 spot against the 85 open. Meaning he was a counter and we could baccount.

So no one knows but it looks like more of a smoke screen was put up in all this and still ways to get around it.
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Wow I am confused. How do the new rules keep a school from over signing and a kid thinking he has a scholarship but really doesn't? I thought that was the purpose for the supposed rule change
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BruinVol said:
Wow I am confused. How do the new rules keep a school from over signing and a kid thinking he has a scholarship but really doesn't? I thought that was the purpose for the supposed rule change
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I think it just make those transferring to have to leave in Dec and not hang all spring before they are booted. 8)
 
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TideWarrior said:
I think it just make those transferring to have to leave in Dec and not hang all spring before they are booted. 8)
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So you can sign 40 if you only have 45 scholarship players before the spring semester as long as 15 of those are EE's? If yes I finally understand.
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