Just read a rumor that I hope to NOT be true...

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pastorfreeze said:
NWA= Gangsta Rap
Lil Wayne=Every other artist bringing thier life to music, thus like NWA.

Gangsta Rap never existed to me because I would call Truth to Power. If you never been harass by Cops for having extra pigment without tanning assistanceor lighter pigment, lost friends to unnecessary violence, been broke, hungry, and homeless with no money coming any time soon, that's not gangsta rap but it's the truth.

One more thing, White, Black, Yellow, Red, etc. all have experienced this things so its truth not gangsta!
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You know, you're totally right. NWA considered themselves to be street reporters when they simply rapped about what they saw.

"You are about to witness the strength of street knowledge."

Haha, good post sir.
 
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CountVolcula said:
New study finds glamorization of drugs in rap music jumped dramatically over 2 decades

"This trajectory in rap music raises a number of red flags," said Herd, who also is associate dean for student affairs at the School of Public Health. "Rap music is especially appealing to young people, many of whom look up to rappers as role models. As a public health researcher, and as a parent of a 7-year-old, I'm concerned about the impact that long-term exposure to this music has on its listeners."
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Dude, can you just answer my original question... do you think gangsta rap should be banned from being produced?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Dude, can you just answer my original question... do you think gangsta rap should be banned from being produced?[/QUOTE

To tell the truth, I'm torn on the situation. I am not for censorship. Hate the idea of it. On the other hand, is this really artistic expression. Would the mainstream media, MTV, VH1, play music by the Aryan Brotherhood, Shinheads, KKK, that preaches hate and violence? I dont see much of that on there. But we let these thugs preach drug dealing and abuse, abuse of women, parental disobedience, and killing of snitches and cops. Where and when do we draw the line?
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CountVolcula said:
Maryland Gangs: Bermuda: Former gang-bangers take their message to schools

Wearing red and blue du rags, Jeff Osborne and Craig Winters-Dixon partnered up to address a special assembly at T N Tatem Middle School.

They were joined by Pepe Montenegro, a former member of Mexican gang The Avenues, to warn youngsters not to glamourise 'gangster' rappers and a lifestyle of guns and violence.
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Seems to me that the parents of these kids should be the ones teaching them the difference between right and wrong.
 
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*thinks back to Pink Floyd's music being created while on LSD or a certain song titled "Cocaine," but I don't see you saying classic rock is the devil and needs to be destroyed.
 
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CountVolcula said:
To tell the truth, I'm torn on the situation. I am not for sensorship. Hate the idea of it. On the other hand, is this really artistic expression. Would the mainstream media, MTV, VH1, play music by the Aryan Brotherhood, Shinheads, KKK, that preaches hate and violence? I dont see much on that on there. But we let these thugs preach drug dealing and abuse, abuse of women, parental disobedience, and killing of snitches and cops. Where and when do we draw the line?
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Look at the post I made a few posts ago.

REAL gangsta rap is about what REALLY goes on in those neighborhoods. It's just a really vulgar, yet intricate PSA on stuff everyday people don't want to hear about.
 
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Not to mention that other genres of music have covered everything considered "bad" in gangsta rap music long before the genre was even thought up.

Jimi Hendrix's music was at the pinnacle of 60's counterculture. The hippy movement was in full swing, and everybody was taking any substance they could get their hands on. Now, would you ban that godly man's music just because it was enveloped in a psychedelic trip that hit America for an entire decade? I think not.

What's your take on Ledbelly singing about decapitating his girlfriend's lover (which he performed in the 1920's)?

What about heavy metal over the past 40 years? Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Priest, Sabbath, Maiden, Acid Bath, The Sword... should we ban all of them for singing about demigods wreaking havoc and eating humans by the score?

Artistic expression is coined that term for a reason. It's an abstract take on the world around us, and it's NOT for everybody.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
Wow Corndog. You really started a crap storm didn't ya?

Ok first let me say that Eric is my first cousin. Probably my best friend also. But dude you are completely off here.

To me these kids need entertainers to release them from the grind of playing football at a high end university. They have a lot of stress and expectations on their shoulders. These guys are 18-21 yrs old. When I was that age I was into rap, and acting cool. I never once commited a crime or thought about it because Tupac said to. And not all rap lyrics are negative. Just like all rock lyrics aren't positive.

You use to listen to rap Eric. I have never known you to break the speed limit, let alone rob someone. You pretty much put your foot in your mouth here without thinking it through.

The actions of a young adults starts and ends with his parents. IMO.

As kids we are either taught morals from our parents or we aren't. Some learn them without parents, but a lot of kids need that guidance to know what is wrong and what is right.

To blame Little Wayne is just down right pathetic. Did you blame Marilyn Manson or The Matrix for Colombine? Do violent video games (which you play alot of) make you wanna be violent? No Eric they don't.

These young guys get that escape they need from music just like the rest of us. Just because they like rap doe not make them violent or have the ability to be.

Stop trying to blame mistakes a young kid who is obviously been neglected in his life makes on an entertainer who is merely trying to get paid. I think most of us are smart enough to realize that a great percent of what rappers say is made up to sell cds. So don't confuse entertainment with reality.

I guess wrestling is real too right?

If you think that we will lose support from the older generation because they hate rap then fine. Let them go. As long as Kiffin keeps things decent then I will always support him and the team.

There are 75 other players who have kept there nose clean. Write articles about that. Dissect those guys. They deserve it.

At the end of the day you gotta realize that kids make mistakes. Sometimes they are huge but they are still mistakes. No one is perfect. And we all get wiser as we get older.

And in a way Kiffin is like a rapper. He brags and boasts about his team. Wants to be the best. Talks smack about the competition. Gets paid well. And has to put on a show every week with high expectations or his career can end. You love Kiffin running his mouth. Why not a rapper who some of the players can relate to?
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It's not about the music, or even listening to it. It's about the perception of how we look right now with 3 guys getting arrested for attempted armed robbery and yet people are wanting to glorify a man who has been arrested for felony drug charges and weapons charges and somehow that is supposed to be a positive for the program. It's not positive and there's not a single person on here that can justify that it is. Plain and simple. It's about timing on this one, that's what I am arguing.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's not about the music, or even listening to it. It's about the perception of how we look right now with 3 guys getting arrested for attempted armed robbery and yet people are wanting to glorify a man who has been arrested for felony drug charges and weapons charges and somehow that is supposed to be a positive for the program. It's not positive and there's not a single person on here that can justify that it is. Plain and simple. It's about timing on this one, that's what I am arguing.
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Yeah, but how can you argue with at least half that stadium cheering when he walks in, despite all of them knowing what's gone on?

Also, you know a lot of non-Vol fans are going to be thinking "man, I wish he'd come to our stadium."
 
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BTW, for all those aruging about music and it's effects, CBC is right, I could care less what he says in his music. This is about his rap sheet right now and his legal problems, and that's something the university doesn't really need in it's presence right now, IMO. I don't care what the kids are listening to, as long as they are wanting to be productive members of society, I'm down for whatever. One of my favorite rap songs of all-time is "Hit 'Em Up" by 2pac. I am separating the man from his music in this instance.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
CountVolcula said:
Look at the post I made a few posts ago.

REAL gangsta rap is about what REALLY goes on in those neighborhoods. It's just a really vulgar, yet intricate PSA on stuff everyday don't want to hear about.
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Does that make it right? Not everyone in the hood acts like that. My guess would be around 10%. But that 10% is what is being exploited and pushed as the "real" way people live in the hood. There are really good and decent people that live in neighborhoods that are terrorized by gangs and exploiting that lifestyle for profit is not helping better the situation. Everytime you buy a record or any other merchandise by the gangsta rappers, you are promoting that lifestyle, regardless of whether you want to believe it or not. Atheists dont go around wearing shirts with the likeness of Jesus Christ!!!
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DinkinFlicka said:
Yeah, but how can you argue with at least half that stadium cheering when he walks in, despite all of them knowing what's gone on?

Also, you know a lot of non-Vol fans are going to be thinking "man, I wish he'd come to our stadium."
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Over 80% of our fans probably would think he would be just someone attending a game. My concern is the public outcry for disciplining the 3 players when the attempted robbery happened, yet the same ones are willing to welcome a convicted felon. That's irony right there.
 
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CountVolcula said:
DinkinFlicka said:
Does that make it right? Not everyone in the hood acts like that. My guess would be around 10%. But that 10% is what is being exploited and pushed as the "real" way people live in the hood. There are really good and decent people that live in neighborhoods that are terrorized by gangs and exploiting that lifestyle for profit is not helping better the situation. Everytime you buy a record or any other merchandise by the gangsta rappers, you are promoting that lifestyle, regardless of whether you want to believe it or not. Atheists dont go around wearing shirts with the likeness of Jesus Christ!!!
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It's not about being right, it's about using free speech to express your social views which happens to be EXACTLY what most gangsta rappers are doing. If a song called "*** tha Police" is released by a group of young men who live in a country and a time when police brutality was at its peak, then that's fine with me.

And for the record, I have a shirt with him on the cross that says "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands!" :lolabove:
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's not about the music, or even listening to it. It's about the perception of how we look right now with 3 guys getting arrested for attempted armed robbery and yet people are wanting to glorify a man who has been arrested for felony drug charges and weapons charges and somehow that is supposed to be a positive for the program. It's not positive and there's not a single person on here that can justify that it is. Plain and simple. It's about timing on this one, that's what I am arguing.
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I don't believe Lil Wayne posses any threat to our program. It might not be seen as positive inside the program, but to most outside the program it's seen as 'no big deal'. It will all blow over soon enough eric.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Over 80% of our fans probably would think he would be just someone attending a game. My concern is the public outcry for disciplining the 3 players when the attempted robbery happened, yet the same ones are willing to welcome a convicted felon. That's irony right there.
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A very logical argument, which would make you terribly unpopular on this forum.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Over 80% of our fans probably would think he would be just someone attending a game. My concern is the public outcry for disciplining the 3 players when the attempted robbery happened, yet the same ones are willing to welcome a convicted felon. That's irony right there.
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That's not ironic at all. LW doesn't play on our team or represent the integrity of our program. Nuke, JJ, and Edwards do (or did, lol).

If we're shunning people from our games just because they're convicted felons, then we may as well perform on-the-spot criminal background checks when someone buys a ticket.

This ain't church sir, it's a a gridiron game.

edit: Also, have you ever looked at Lil Wayne? Even if you don't watch at least 5 hours of tv a week, he's a pretty easy character to spot. I'm sure he'll have bodyguards with him.
 
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And for the record, I have a shirt with him on the cross that says "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands!" :lolabove:[/QUOTE]

I am not proud to admit I laughed at that:)
 
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So, basically, you're worried about what other people will think of the program because a felon attended the game?

I hope they don't start letting the masses define the program or we'll be right back to where we were before.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
That's not ironic at all. LW doesn't play on our team or represent the integrity of our program. Nuke, JJ, and Edwards do (or did, lol).

If we're shunning people from our games just because they're convicted felons, then we may as well perform on-the-spot criminal background checks when someone buys a ticket.

This ain't church sir, it's a a gridiron game.

edit: Also, have you ever looked at Lil Wayne? Even if you don't watch at least 5 hours of tv a week, he's a pretty easy character to spot. I'm sure he'll have bodyguards with him.
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If you watched the Ustream video, you would know that even Kiffin gave him a shoutout on Twitter for mentioning him in his song, Wayne was too blazed and egotistical enough to pay attention and realize what was said. Instead, he tells "Lil' Lane" that he doesn't want an apology for not saying thank you for using him in his song. That's pretty egotistical to me, but hey, I'm just some dumb redneck who thinks rap music kills people. I also think that guns kills people and not those who pull the trigger. (Those last two sentences were pure sarcasm.)
 
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