Just re-watched every play….and

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If we have a 2nd quarter like we did against BG against any good team, the hole we will have dug will be too great to overcome.
 
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I rewatched the game also and didn’t think Milton was as bad as most think. He was accurate on the short and medium passes. It was the long ball that he was inaccurate on. I thought he ran the ball well also. As far as holding the ball, BG dropped 8 in coverage to our 4 receivers so if the OL is giving him time I’m not sure why holding the ball was a problem.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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Did the receivers fumble when they held the ball too long?
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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Not sure about beating Pitt. , but after watching the game again, I agree with everything you said.;)
 
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Doberman said:
I don’t think Milton needs to be pulled, but there are definitely some very concerning takeaways from the BG game. Let’s hope they can get things corrected in short order.
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I am very much annoyed by VN right now because of this. I think there are 3 camps, sunshine pumpers, wait and see, and NegaVols. As soon as you say anything critical of Milton, the reaction is strong and the post gets labeled essentially NegaVols. People see legimate issues with Milton. You know what? People saw issues with Fulmer, with Dooley, with Butch, with Pruitt, with JG. People will always find issues. You have to watch and see if it holds true over a longer period of time. That is one thing the Sunshine Pumpers don't get through their heads. You can be critical and still be positive.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Watching again, I'm curious why Heupel continued to call passing plays into a 3 man rush? We could've run with good success, as we did early in the second half, but Heupel CHOSE to leave Milton staring toward 8 guys in pass coverage. Why?

Heupel is looking for something but it's clearly not the best play call vs the defense we're seeing.

As we had the game in hand, it's not really disturbing but it makes your QB and team look ineffective when the D is giving you the run and you're consistently, deliberately not taking it.

I hope Heupel got to see what he felt he needed to see from Milton and the offense but I'm at a loss as to why you'd forgo taking the run when a team is handing you 4-5yds on the ground..... and instead have your QB look at less than optimal pass coverage.
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I think we're missing the more obvious reason for throwing against 8 defenders in zone. Because many times we will have to. There are going to be situations when we need a score, and there won't be enough time on the clock to get it running the ball, even in 10-yard chunks.

We have the route combinations to complete long passes against 8, but it requires receivers making the correct adjustments to their routes and the QB being confident that what he anticipates is what they do. One receiver making the wrong adjustment usually means he will bring defenders into an area designed to be left open for another receiver. So one bad route actually messes up on or two others.

The QB then has to process what he didn't expect to see, decide which other routes have suddenly been negated by one receiver bringing defenders into the wrong area, and try to determine if the remaining, uncontaminated routes are now open. And if he's getting pressure in the pocket, he has to decide when to give up on the play and throw it away.

People want Milton to throw with more touch, but until there's trust and confidence that the receivers are going to be exactly where he anticipates them being, Milton (or any QB) is going to hold the ball an extra split second longer until he sees the receiver starting to go where he's supposed to go. now he can throw to the right spot with confidence, but that confirming delay has made the open window smaller, so now he has to throw the ball with more velocity to fit it in.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'd appreciate a link to that if you have an extra one. :)

I'd love to hear his take. He would know best, and he seems like a straight shooter.


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Hope this works - link follows the article.

The Josh Heupel Show Debuts This Weekend - University of Tennessee Athletics
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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I actually came to the same conclusion after rewatching yesterday. I was previously critical of hit footwork and being too still in the pocket but the occasions where that happened there was nobody within 10 yards of him. The deep ball needs timing to improve, which will come with reps, and he shouldn’t have thrown the TD to Tillman (though it’s hard to argue with the result).

On a second watching, I was far more disappointed in Hyatt. Two drops and a couple instances of not being aware of his feet near the sideline. Good news about that is, Hyatt is a good player and hasn’t had those issues consistently so I’m inclined to think of that game as a blip on the radar.
 
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tbones0711 said:
JM completed a short pass to Hyatt crossing. The ball was thrown low forcing Hyatt to have to go to the ground to catch. Had JM hit Hyatt above the waist there wasn't but one defender between Hyatt and the goal line. Call me "nitpicking" but that short pass was anything but accurate.
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Good grief man, ONE pass? 😂
 
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CJH said there were open receivers, Jordan Rodgers kept saying through the game that Miltano was missing open receivers and even showed an example of the tight end being in a massive window that eventually closed. Even on one of his runs there was a guy right in front of him waving him down that could have got a few yards. Instead, he scrambled for a loss of yards or no gain. You can't pin this on the receivers as much as some of you are.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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I know the receivers are not there yet, but he didn't help them much. When every throw is coming at you like a bullet regardless of the type throw that's need (no touch, no loft, just hard and straight) catching becomes even harder.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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More confidence than me, brother, but that’s also my BVS talking.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
There was the appearance that he held the ball too long. He didn't see open receivers. He doesn't throw with touch when needed.

As to the receivers, it may actually be how he's throwing the ball. (i.e. no touch, bullets.) It's not just where the ball is thrown but how it's thrown.
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I thought this was an issue on my first watching as well. On my second time through though, I noticed him tuck and start to run before most of the sacks which is encouraging- he DOES have an internal clock (which JG never did), we just have to speed it up a tick so those two yard sacks are 3-5 yard gains. Speeding up the clock will come with processing speed which will come with experience in the offense. The one issue I still have with Milton is a lack of touch. But guess what? JG had great touch and it didn’t make him a decent QB. If that’s Milton’s issue, it’s nowhere near as bad as the issues we’ve seen the past few years. He’s not Matt Corral or Bryce Young but he’s a better player than anyone we’ve had since Dobbs.
 
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VAVol85 said:
IMO...Heupel was trying to get Milton game reps on passing plays because he definitely needs them. By the third quarter, they decided to just take what BG was giving as you suggest.

Also, in the 2nd quarter, the defense gave up several long drives that BG used to milk the clock. So, while the strategy lasted the whole 2nd quarter, the actual game time spent forcing pass plays was not that long.
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If BG was able to do this, god help us when we start to play good teams.
 
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savannahfan said:
I know the receivers are not there yet, but he didn't help them much. When every throw is coming at you like a bullet regardless of the type throw that's need (no touch, no loft, just hard and straight) catching becomes even harder.
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Catching becomes harder when you body catch instead of using your hands (looking at you, Hyatt). The touch issue is more of a problem on the deep ball since receivers can’t adjust to the ball placement. Couple of those deep overthrows, couple times he threw it away, and several catchable balls the receivers need to bring down. I get what you’re saying about touch and it doesn’t make the receivers life any easier, but when the receivers didn’t body catch it truly wasn’t an issue. WRs need to catch the ball with their hands, and be aware of their feet on the sideline. If those two things happen, Milton’s stat line is more like 15/22, 200 yds, 2 TDs. Which still isn’t great, but nobody is losing sleep over it and it’s be an encouraging start from a new QB in a new system working with all new coaches.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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Glad to see someone post who actually WATCHED the game give an opinion, Seems several on here only saw the incompletions and not the good things he did...Our receivers looked slow as molasses, We need some speed on the outside.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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What about the plays where receivers had openings in their route and he held the ball. He missed on two deep balls. There were three egregious drops, two by Hyatt the other by Fant (I think).
 
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Honestly, i think everyone still just needs to get their timing on the same page. Once they gel a little bit more, i think Milton will be ok. And if not. We have two other guys that can probably play and be ok enough to win the games we are expected to win.
 
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With only three rushing the quarterback, there have to be open lanes Milton could run in, which would make the defense play more honestly, which should make the passing game more effective. At least that's my thought process. Am I wrong?
 
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The Original Fade said:
Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.
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Based on Thursday night this team can be much better than what we’ve seen in recent years IF they can get quality QB play. Not going to bash Milton, but he needs to improve in a hurry or he’ll need to be replaced.

I expected some speed and physical running out of a guy his size and saw neither. Milton ran very timidly IMO.
 
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