Just re-watched every play….and

[The Original Fade]

Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.

 

[LittleVol]

Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.

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And what about him not getting rid of the ball on time?
Just standing bac there in the pocket like a statue indecisive.

Maybe watch EVERY play one more time...

 

[The Original Fade]

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And what about him not getting rid of the ball on time?
Just standing bac there in the pocket like a statue indecisive.

Maybe watch EVERY play one more time...

So? How many sacks did he take? 2? Did you want perfect play on game one? I only saw him do that about 5 times and I saw plenty of checks to secondary receivers despite everyone saying he locked in to his primary on EVERY play.

 

[ArdentVol]

is he getting any credit for yardage on designed runs?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

...
And what about him not getting rid of the ball on time?
Just standing bac there in the pocket like a statue indecisive.

Maybe watch EVERY play one more time...

So what would you be saying if he was throwing into double coverage? With a 3 man rush, there's going to be some doubles, right?

I'm just curious, should a QB wait or throw, in your opinion, if receivers are doubled?

 

[CA_Vol]

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And what about him not getting rid of the ball on time?
Just standing bac there in the pocket like a statue indecisive.

Maybe watch EVERY play one more time...

Why are you so convinced there were open receivers he was missing? Would you rather he force passes and have multiple INTs? We had that with JG.

 

[ACvol3]

Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.

That’s what I’ve been saying fade.. he needs to work on his deep ball, but his short to intermediate stuff was laser accurate, and nobody is talking about that… those are throws our QBs the last ten years would’ve thrown into the dirt or 10 yards over the receivers head about half the time.

 

[Other_Guy]

...
And what about him not getting rid of the ball on time?
Just standing bac there in the pocket like a statue indecisive.

Maybe watch EVERY play one more time...

Also a couple of throws he was just off and it's such a bullet the WR didn't haul it in. It wasn't just 1 overthrow (actually it was 2 overthrows anyway).

 

[Tman44]

I watched The Josh Heupel Show after reading the initial post. There was really much that went well. Most mistakes on offense revolved around miscommunication and drops. If that is truly the root of the offensive's largest evil, Heupel said we should be able to clean things up quickly. Certainly the Pitt game will show if CJH can deliver on what he said on the show.

 

[LittleVol]

So? How many sacks did he take? 2? Did you want perfect play on game one? I only saw him do that about 5 times and I saw plenty of checks to secondary receivers despite everyone saying he locked in to his primary on EVERY play.

Whatever, dude.
He sucked.
Need better from him.

Believe what you want.

 

[lukeneyland]

He needs to improve but he played better than JG ever did or will and has an immense ceiling

 

[DiderotsGhost]

I re-watched it as well. Not as bad as I originally thought, but still a lot to clean up.

The first overthrow to Tillman was bad. It's like he was channeling Uncle Rico trying to throw the ball over the mountain. The second one was also bad, but at least it was in the same zip code.

There was a dangerous throw in the 3rd Quarter to the sideline. It went incomplete, but I suspect it could've been a pick-6 against a good defense.

The fumble was also bad. Cade Mays and the RG (not sure who it was at the time) both whiffed on blocks and Milton was under duress quickly. Even if the pressure was the OL's fault, Milton knew the defenders were coming and still didn't secure the football.

The good news is that Milton looked sharp on most of the short and intermediate throws. I thought he ran well, too, particularly that TD run in the 3rd where he should've been tackled, but basically pushes the defender down. Long passes and corner-endzone passes didn't look so sharp to me. Sure, the Hyatt drops hurt Milton, but Tillman had to come up with a miraculous catch on that one TD play, so it's a bit of wash there.

That said, BG rarely brought pressure, so we're not going to see how he really performs till Pitt and Florida. And it did feel like he was slow to make decisions at times, which isn't going to fly against a defense with an actual pass rush. Overall, I'm still skeptical but not in the diehard "yank him now!" camp yet. But he's got to get better quickly, because the mistakes he made this game are going to be more costly against teams that aren't going to let us run all over them like BG did.

 

[TNnative]

I re-watched it as well. Not as bad as I originally thought, but still a lot to clean up.

The first overthrow to Tillman was bad. It's like he was channeling Uncle Rico trying to throw the ball over the mountain. The second one was also bad, but at least it was in the same zip code.

There was a dangerous throw in the 3rd Quarter to the sideline. It went incomplete, but I suspect it could've been a pick-6 against a good defense.

The fumble was also bad. Cade Mays and the RG (not sure who it was at the time) both whiffed on blocks and Milton was under duress quickly. Even if the pressure was the OL's fault, Milton knew the defenders were coming and still didn't secure the football.

The good news is that Milton looked sharp on most of the short and intermediate throws. I thought he ran well, too, particularly that TD run in the 3rd where he should've been tackled, but basically pushes the defender down. Long passes and corner-endzone passes didn't look so sharp to me. Sure, the Hyatt drops hurt Milton, but Tillman had to come up with a miraculous catch on that one TD play, so it's a bit of wash there.

That said, BG rarely brought pressure, so we're not going to see how he really performs till Pitt and Florida. And it did feel like he was slow to make decisions at times, which isn't going to fly against a defense with an actual pass rush. Overall, I'm still skeptical but not in the diehard "yank him now!" camp yet. But he's got to get better quickly, because the mistakes he made this game are going to be more costly against teams that aren't going to let us run all over them like BG did.

This is a team with a new coaching staff, many new moving parts, and a new system. Compared towhat we have seen i the past, it is an improvement. Remember Butch Jones, and the linemen staying in their stances after the snap his first year? In hindsight, that was more stupid than anything that happened last week.

And the fumble would have been prevented had they moved Smalls to Milton's right. The guy who caused that fumble came out of the secondary Mays and the RG had guys they needed to block on the line. Watch it again.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I re-watched it as well. Not as bad as I originally thought, but still a lot to clean up.

The first overthrow to Tillman was bad. It's like he was channeling Uncle Rico trying to throw the ball over the mountain. The second one was also bad, but at least it was in the same zip code.

There was a dangerous throw in the 3rd Quarter to the sideline. It went incomplete, but I suspect it could've been a pick-6 against a good defense.

The fumble was also bad. Cade Mays and the RG (not sure who it was at the time) both whiffed on blocks and Milton was under duress quickly. Even if the pressure was the OL's fault, Milton knew the defenders were coming and still didn't secure the football.

The good news is that Milton looked sharp on most of the short and intermediate throws. I thought he ran well, too, particularly that TD run in the 3rd where he should've been tackled, but basically pushes the defender down. Long passes and corner-endzone passes didn't look so sharp to me. Sure, the Hyatt drops hurt Milton, but Tillman had to come up with a miraculous catch on that one TD play, so it's a bit of wash there.

That said, BG rarely brought pressure, so we're not going to see how he really performs till Pitt and Florida. And it did feel like he was slow to make decisions at times, which isn't going to fly against a defense with an actual pass rush. Overall, I'm still skeptical but not in the diehard "yank him now!" camp yet. But he's got to get better quickly, because the mistakes he made this game are going to be more costly against teams that aren't going to let us run all over them like BG did.

Watching again, I'm curious why Heupel continued to call passing plays into a 3 man rush? We could've run with good success, as we did early in the second half, but Heupel CHOSE to leave Milton staring toward 8 guys in pass coverage. Why?

Heupel is looking for something but it's clearly not the best play call vs the defense we're seeing.

As we had the game in hand, it's not really disturbing but it makes your QB and team look ineffective when the D is giving you the run and you're consistently, deliberately not taking it.

I hope Heupel got to see what he felt he needed to see from Milton and the offense but I'm at a loss as to why you'd forgo taking the run when a team is handing you 4-5yds on the ground..... and instead have your QB look at less than optimal pass coverage.

 

[orangemadam]

So many people comparing Milton to JG. Really ridiculous.

So a 300 pound woman isn't fat, because the woman over there is 350 pounds?

 

[orangemadam]

Let's move on from JG and Butch

 

[TNHopeful505]

Watching again, I'm curious why Heupel continued to call passing plays into a 3 man rush? We could've run with good success, as we did early in the second half, but Heupel CHOSE to leave Milton staring toward 8 guys in pass coverage. Why?

Heupel is looking for something but it's clearly not the best play call vs the defense we're seeing.

As we had the game in hand, it's not really disturbing but it makes your QB and team look ineffective when the D is giving you the run and you're consistently, deliberately not taking it.

I hope Heupel got to see what he felt he needed to see from Milton and the offense but I'm at a loss as to why you'd forgo taking the run when a team is handing you 4-5yds on the ground..... and instead have your QB look at less than optimal pass coverage.

Maybe he wanted exactly what he got. Maybe he didnt want to look effective. Maybe it was a dose of humility, and there was no need to put our running backs in danger of being hit that much. Maybe he wanted his wide receivers to get practice running at game speed and get them prepared for the tempo and conditioning needed. I wonder if this game was a glorified scrimmage. Hopefully it was. This Saturday will not be.

 

[mtvols]

Watching again, I'm curious why Heupel continued to call passing plays into a 3 man rush? We could've run with good success, as we did early in the second half, but Heupel CHOSE to leave Milton staring toward 8 guys in pass coverage. Why?

Heupel is looking for something but it's clearly not the best play call vs the defense we're seeing.

As we had the game in hand, it's not really disturbing but it makes your QB and team look ineffective when the D is giving you the run and you're consistently, deliberately not taking it.

I hope Heupel got to see what he felt he needed to see from Milton and the offense but I'm at a loss as to why you'd forgo taking the run when a team is handing you 4-5yds on the ground..... and instead have your QB look at less than optimal pass coverage.

We ran the ball 64 times. They were working on the passing game.

 

[VAVol85]

Watching again, I'm curious why Heupel continued to call passing plays into a 3 man rush? We could've run with good success, as we did early in the second half, but Heupel CHOSE to leave Milton staring toward 8 guys in pass coverage. Why?

Heupel is looking for something but it's clearly not the best play call vs the defense we're seeing.

As we had the game in hand, it's not really disturbing but it makes your QB and team look ineffective when the D is giving you the run and you're consistently, deliberately not taking it.

I hope Heupel got to see what he felt he needed to see from Milton and the offense but I'm at a loss as to why you'd forgo taking the run when a team is handing you 4-5yds on the ground..... and instead have your QB look at less than optimal pass coverage.

IMO...Heupel was trying to get Milton game reps on passing plays because he definitely needs them. By the third quarter, they decided to just take what BG was giving as you suggest.

Also, in the 2nd quarter, the defense gave up several long drives that BG used to milk the clock. So, while the strategy lasted the whole 2nd quarter, the actual game time spent forcing pass plays was not that long.

 

[VAVol85]

I re-watched it as well. Not as bad as I originally thought, but still a lot to clean up.

The first overthrow to Tillman was bad. It's like he was channeling Uncle Rico trying to throw the ball over the mountain. The second one was also bad, but at least it was in the same zip code.

There was a dangerous throw in the 3rd Quarter to the sideline. It went incomplete, but I suspect it could've been a pick-6 against a good defense.

The fumble was also bad. Cade Mays and the RG (not sure who it was at the time) both whiffed on blocks and Milton was under duress quickly. Even if the pressure was the OL's fault, Milton knew the defenders were coming and still didn't secure the football.

The good news is that Milton looked sharp on most of the short and intermediate throws. I thought he ran well, too, particularly that TD run in the 3rd where he should've been tackled, but basically pushes the defender down. Long passes and corner-endzone passes didn't look so sharp to me. Sure, the Hyatt drops hurt Milton, but Tillman had to come up with a miraculous catch on that one TD play, so it's a bit of wash there.

That said, BG rarely brought pressure, so we're not going to see how he really performs till Pitt and Florida. And it did feel like he was slow to make decisions at times, which isn't going to fly against a defense with an actual pass rush. Overall, I'm still skeptical but not in the diehard "yank him now!" camp yet. But he's got to get better quickly, because the mistakes he made this game are going to be more costly against teams that aren't going to let us run all over them like BG did.

This is basically the story of his play at Michigan. He could make the short throws and run reasonably well, but was inaccurate on longer routes. Heupel has a lot of work to do scheming around and/or fixing Milton’s weaknesses.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better IMO. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.

If Milton is holding on to the ball, it directly reflects WRs having difficulty separating; also, he throws the ball so hard, his window is fleeting, not ALL QBs release with the same velocity. Let's see, and he has been there since June; I think QB and WRs familiarity need more reps.

We have two issues: Realistic expectations vs. Unrealistic expectations. I have posted enough here to have fallen into both categories. However, I am willing to allow CJH's first year to look at other variables, not just the scoreboard.

GBO!

 

[GAVol]

Milton did not play bad at all. Receivers dropped about 5 catchable passes from what I saw. Missed on a wide open deep throw but that can be corrected, and if receivers catch the ball Milton throws for about 275-300 with 2 TDs and no pics. Peeps need to back off, it’s not Milton who needs to improve, it’s the receivers. Hooker or Bailey would have done no better imo. I think Milton has a good game vs Pitt and I think we win.

When I rewatched, I came away thinking the same thing. Milton has to get better at getting the ball out, but it didn’tseem as bad on the 2nd watch. I’d really like to see the All 22 view to see exactly what routes we were running. They were constantly dropping 7 and 8 into coverage and we ate them up in the 1st quarter underneath and then seemed to just stop doing that. I don’t know if that was Milton holding the ball or if we just got hellbent on going more vertical.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Let's move on from JG and Butch

Hahaha
10 years from now some still wont have moved on..

 

[EtowahVol]

Well I think the jury is still out. sure we didn't catch 5 catchable passes and sure he stood in the pocket too long. The last 2 years JG didn't have time to look up from the snap. Maybe this was the game plan. Play very vanilla. We shall see. Frighten someone Vol fans for once and give the players some moral boost to start the new season and staff. Doesn't matter they could score 98 with no turnovers and hold them scoreless and somebody would ditch!!!!!!!!

 

[Spook1]

...
And what about him not getting rid of the ball on time?
Just standing bac there in the pocket like a statue indecisive.

Maybe watch EVERY play one more time...

Not getting rid of the ball on time was the fault of the receivers not getting open.