Just listened to A to Z. Kind of interesting

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BigOrangeTrain said:
I just listened to the A to Z podcast with Austin Stanley and Zach Bingham. They are ok, not great. They can get heated sometimes but anyway. They were discussing TN. First they were talking about the cash in the McDs bag is bunk. But they also talked a lot about coaches and AD. So here is what was said and I wanted to get your guys thoughts.

They have a top 3 list of coaches. Stanley wants Freeze but knows it won’t happen. So the top 3 are Malzahan, Herman and Chadwell. They both said the most realistic is probably Chadwell. Although their predictions of who the coach would be bled into the AD.

So they kind of said if Ingram is hired, then Steele is likely the HC for 2021 and then a big hire would be made after that. If Gilbert is hired, then he would want to hire his own guy. So it sure sounds like we are screwed either way. So thoughts?
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What is the big deal about Gus. I say no way. Even Pruitt beat Gus at Auburn.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
1)He was about 25 years younger than Steele is now.... not that that necessarily matters.
2) No sanctions
3) They had just landed a loaded recruiting class the year before and lucked into a QB that Kiffin stupidly cut loose
4)Ironically enough..... the OC he fired is now a hot coaching commodity and might replace him if he left for Bama.
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1. Self reported...sanctions ?
2. Losing players will hurt, but there is talent, not as bad as Dooley and Jones personnel mess
3. QB situation looks promising, and of all the positions this is the most important when it comes to rebuilding.
4. they don’t get no hotter than Dabo, So “if ands , or buts we’re candy and nuts......”
 
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jonnon111 said:
Tom Herman had rumblings at Texas from the beginning about him not having great relationships (sounds like Pruitt). I have no idea if they we're true. I actually think he got a raw deal at Texas this year and we could do so much worse, than this hire.

There are no sure fire hires. I'm not sold on Freeze because of what he did at Liberty and Chadwell makes me think of Dooley and Butch. So . . .I don't know. I want a younger guy (40s or early 50s)that has coached a big time program or in the NFL as a head coach. I want some success, but NFL records don't mean much to me as far as winning percentage. In that league, 7-9 coaches can lead their division, so its relative.

Kiffin would be great, just embarrassed to say it and he wouldn't do it.
Jeff Fisher would be solid for a 6-8 year hire. I know he is not a big favorite here, but he wants the job. He coached in the NFL and nearly won a super bowl.
Luke Fickle would be a solid hire but I worry about his ties in the south. He is a solid program manager and has shown real grit at Cincinnati, he almost beat UGA this year . . . except for his poor clock management.
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Jeff Fisher would be solid for a 6-8 year hire. I know he is not a big favorite here, but he wants the job. He coached in the NFL and nearly won a super bowl.

^^^ THIS ALL DAY LONG and THREE TIMES ON SATURDAY!!!!!!! Yes, I can't believe not many at all are mentioning him! They guy is the 11th all time winningest coach in the NFL. Yes, he had several 8-8, 9-7, and 7-9 seasons. But, he also had some very good ones. I don't think many on this board realize it is much harder to win in the NFL when the talent level is very comparable due to salary caps and draft picks!!! That is why Spurrier and Saban didn't do so well. They didn't get 10-15 players in the top 3 rounds every year like Spurrier did and Saban does of the top 150 out of the NCAA recruits!!!!! Hell, Bill Belichick and Andy Reid couldn't even compete at VU vs the top 3-5 in the conference!!!!!
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Jeff Fisher would be solid for a 6-8 year hire. I know he is not a big favorite here, but he wants the job. He coached in the NFL and nearly won a super bowl.

^^^ THIS ALL DAY LONG and THREE TIMES ON SATURDAY!!!!!!! Yes, I can't believe not many at all are mentioning him! They guy is the 11th all time winningest coach in the NFL. Yes, he had several 8-8, 9-7, and 7-9 seasons. But, he also had some very good ones. I don't think many on this board realize it is much harder to win in the NFL when the talent level is very comparable due to salary caps and draft picks!!! That is why Spurrier and Saban didn't do so well. They didn't get 15-20 players in the top 3 rounds every year!!!!! Hell, Belichick couldn't even compete at VU vs the top 3-5 in the conference!!!!!
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This a million times. People have NO CLUE.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
FTR, Stanley said Chadwell would take the job in a heartbeat. But he also said that Chadwell interviewed for another job but wanted to bring his ENTIRE staff and that was a no go.
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NO coach is coming until he knows the range of penalties to be imposed. This is why UT needs to vet the proposed self imposed penalties with the SEC office behind the scenes and then get them done and out to the public ASAP. To me, if you can coax Jamey Chads to come here this year, then you've hit a HR. No guarantee, but I believe in the guy as a player developer and true coach.
 
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Kiffin > Herman > Chadwell for me.

It would be poetic for Kiffin to leave us in an NCAA mess and come back amid another one.
 
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Mike Gundy, OkSt, he needs a raise .... from OkSt courtesy of Tennessee!
Monken, Army He's not set on triple option that service academies depend on. Great leadership when it's needed most.
Bill Clark, UAB
Napier, Louisiana
Chadwell, Coastal Carolina
Fickell, Cincy
PJ Fleck, Minnesota (my wild card)
Kevin Steele, (the indecision, decision)

No Cutcliffe, too old and doesn't have the energy (look at last 2 seasons at Duke)
No Malzahn, not with Steele here.
No Freeze, he doesn't fit in with us needing to be squeaky clean with ncaa for several years.
Don't think we can afford Matt Campbell from ISU.
Longshot but we could try and pry Pittman away from Arky. Buyout though.
Herman is a possibility but I hear he has some personal baggage (don't know what).
Northwestern coach would be good but not cheap and he is at his alma mater.
Jon Gruden, 50-1 odds at Vegas. He will get knocked off before casinos pay on that bet.
 
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Coddlecreek1 said:
Dabo took over for one of them Bowdens in the season after resignation. He fired the offensive coordinator, emphasized more Clemson Branding; changed the culture with some new team practice/game rituals. Maybe Steele can cut the cancer out and quickly put a helluva staff together. Don’t want to lose Jay or Tee
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Kevin Steele is widely very respected, and I am sure he has alot of great contacts/candidates, to fill staff positions.
 
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Tnman1 said:
Two home runs we could land are Freeze or Kiffin. Tennessee will not hire either. Bama would if they were in the same situation. Bama is a winner, Tennessee is not.
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Alabama would not hire Kiffin.
I wish there was a way that I could bet a pile of cash on the following scenarios: Mike Leach will beat Lane Kiffin more times than Lane Kiffin will beat Nick Saban; Lane Kiffin will never beat Jimbo Fisher while at Ole Miss; He will do no better than .500 against Auburn, LSU, and in cross division games; He will win 10 games no more than once in his tenure at Ole Miss; He will leave Ole Miss after no more than 7 years for another power 5 school; His average record at Ole Miss will not be better than 8-5 when he is done there.

Realistically, how many of you would take me up on any/all of these with an amount of money that matters to you?
 
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ALL of those would be good hires
Keeping Steele is prolonging the inevitable. And it hurts recruiting. Class of 2022 is a Pivotal class.

Chadwell is surging towards the top imo. His offense produced almost 3,000 yards passing , and over 2,000 yards rushing this past season. His defense was ranked 20th in scoring.
But beyond the stats. He created his own little Academy of method teaching. IOW he doesnt teach football the same way to all players. They break down their personality and test them and create an entire curriculum for an individual players learning type. This is why players run through a wall for him.

You all really need to research Chadwell. He doesnt need a running QB either. His offense is what I desribe as a Pro-Set- Spread option offense. But it has prostyle structure. The guy can do either! Damn just let him bring his staff. Again..UT getting in their own way.

Herman is also a guy that knows x and os and getting production out of the QB position. He left Texas better than we he arrived. They were AWFUL with Charlie Strong. They fired Herman because they didnt like him...and they are not shy about that. It wasnt just his record which was almost 70 percent but they didn like him and the fact he couldnt beat OU. Didn like him as a person and there was some other stuff going on there too...backstabbing

Malzahn cannot raise the level of QB play. But he is strong everywhere else. Hire him and Keep Chaney and let them create a new offense together. Let Steele go.

PRUITT needed to go. If we get the right guy in NOW. Not one year from now..., but RIGHT NOW. Then we will be fine.
 
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LittleVol said:
ALL of those would be good hires
Keeping Steele is prolonging the inevitable. And it hurts recruiting. Class of 2022 is a Pivotal class.

Chadwell is surging towards the top imo. His offense produced almost 3,000 yards passing , and over 2,000 yards rushing this past season. His defense was ranked 20th in scoring.
But beyond the stats. He created his own little Academy of method teaching. IOW he doesnt teach football the same way to all players. They break down their personality and test them and create an entire curriculum for an individual players learning type. This is why players run through a wall for him.

You all really need to research Chadwell. He doesnt need a running QB either. His offense is what I desribe as a Pro-Set- Spread option offense. But it has prostyle structure. The guy can do either! Damn just let him bring his staff. Again..UT getting in their own way.

Herman is also a guy that knows x and os and getting production out of the QB position. He left Texas better than we he arrived. They were AWFUL with Charlie Strong. They fired Herman because they didnt like him...and they are not shy about that. It wasnt just his record which was almost 70 percent but they didn like him and the fact he couldnt beat OU. Didn like him as a person and there was some other stuff going on there too...backstabbing

Malzahn cannot raise the level of QB play. But he is strong everywhere else. Hire him and Keep Chaney and let them create a new offense together. Let Steele go.

PRUITT needed to go. If we get the right guy in NOW. Not one year from now..., but RIGHT NOW. Then we will be fine.
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What if the best guys won't budge till the anticipated penalties are established? I would think an AD would be easier to get to jump than a coach, but he needs to be in place. So the clock can't start till that is accomplished.
 
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jonnon111 said:
Tom Herman had rumblings at Texas from the beginning about him not having great relationships (sounds like Pruitt). I have no idea if they we're true. I actually think he got a raw deal at Texas this year and we could do so much worse, than this hire.

There are no sure fire hires. I'm not sold on Freeze because of what he did at Liberty and Chadwell makes me think of Dooley and Butch. So . . .I don't know. I want a younger guy (40s or early 50s)that has coached a big time program or in the NFL as a head coach. I want some success, but NFL records don't mean much to me as far as winning percentage. In that league, 7-9 coaches can lead their division, so its relative.

Kiffin would be great, just embarrassed to say it and he wouldn't do it.
Jeff Fisher would be solid for a 6-8 year hire. I know he is not a big favorite here, but he wants the job. He coached in the NFL and nearly won a super bowl.
Luke Fickle would be a solid hire but I worry about his ties in the south. He is a solid program manager and has shown real grit at Cincinnati, he almost beat UGA this year . . . except for his poor clock management.
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the Herman chatter at Texas is true, very true. Complete disaster behind scenes at Houston and Texas. STAY AWAY
 
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JohnnyJava said:
Chadwell had major NCAA issues at Charleston Southern. Why bring in an inferior ncaa-tainted coach when you can hire a superior ncaa-tainted Freeze? I don’t see how Chadwell can be in play in the current environment.
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If one is in play, both should be in play.
Besides, even coach satan believes in second chances 🤔
 
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Alto1 said:
If one is in play, both should be in play.
Besides, even coach satan believes in second chances 🤔
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Were their charges and penalties on their schools comparable? Um had to write off a bunch of wins for both Nutt and Freeze. Slow learners. Now they hire Kiffin with no NCAA baggage I am aware of, but sure seems like a risk.
 
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ACvol3 said:
How is lane kiffin not in everybody’s top 3? I heard on the radio earlier that malzahn said no thanks
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Kiffin would be crazy to leave the relative current security of Ole Miss in order to make what is realistically a lateral move into the UT Maelstrom for probably about the same salary. There is no logical reason to do so.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Were their charges and penalties on their schools comparable? Um had to write off a bunch of wins for both Nutt and Freeze. Slow learners. Now they hire Kiffin with no NCAA baggage I am aware of, but sure seems like a risk.
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Kiffin was a good move for them imo, but only time will tell.......
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Kiffin would be crazy to leave the relative current security of Ole Miss in order to make what is realistically a lateral move into the UT Maelstrom for probably about the same salary. There is no logical reason to do so.
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Ole Miss boosters make UT’s look like Mr. Rogers. Kiffin will tire of their meddling sooner rather than later. If Cut couldn’t survive them. Kiffin doesn’t stand a chance. It’s a long the lines of the Dillon Panthers.
 
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