Just how many 5 Star QB's make it?

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GmanTN

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It appears alot of people are concerned over the Boyd issue. My question to everyone is There have been some 5 star make it to the NFL but not as many as some might think. With that in mind could that be a reason CLK was not high on Boyd? He has made mention numerous times if your goal is the NFL come here. Here are the starting QB's in the NFL and you tell me how many were 5 stars.

1. Patriots - Matt Cassell - College USC
2. Colts - Peyton Manning - College Tennessee
3. Bengals - Carson Palmer - College USC
4. Steelers - Ben Roethlisberger - College Miami of Ohio
5. Eagles - Donovan McNabb - College Syracuse
6. Cowboys - Tony Romo - College Eastern Illinois
7. Jets - Brett Favre - College Southern MIssissippi
8. Saints - Drew Brees - College Purdue
9. Chargers - Phillip Rivers - College NC State
10. Seahawks - Matt Hasslebeck - College Boston College
11. Browns - Derek Anderson - College Oregon St.
12. Broncos - Jay Cutler - College Vanderbilt
13. Rams - Marc Bulger - College West Virginia
14. Giants - Eli Manning - College Ole MIss
15. Jaguars - David Garrard - College East Carolina
16. Dolphins - Chad Pennington - College Marshall
17. Panthers - Jake Delhomme - College Louisiana Lafayette
18. Buccaneers - Jeff Garcia - College San Jose St.
19. Titans - Kerry Collins - College Penn St.
20. Lions - Daunte Culpepper - College UCF
21. Texans - Matt Schaub - College Virginia
22. Cardinals - Kurt Warner - College Northern Iowa
23. Redskins - Jason Campbell - College Auburn
24. Vikings - Tarvaris Jackson - College Alabama St.
25. Packers - Aaron Rodgers - College California
26. Bills - Trent Edwards - College Stanford
27. Raiders - JaMarcus Russell - College LSU
28. Chiefs - Brodie Croyle - College Alabama
29. Falcons - Matt Ryan - College Boston College
30. Bears - Kyle Orton - College Purdue
31. Ravens - Joe Flacco - College Delaware
32. 49′ers - J.T. O’Sullivan - College UC Davis
 
#4
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2 guesses so far and neither were that many so can someone tell me why everyone is questioning the Boyd recruit? It appears to me that more underrated QB's out of HS make it to next level then the highly touted ones.
 
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To be fair, I don't think any of us are worried about our QB's making it in the pros. We just want a good QB at the college level. Not saying the TB decision was a good one or a bad one, we'll see how it turns out. But talking about 5* QB's in the pros doesn't really mean anything to what we want.
 
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Both Mannings, Palmer, McNabb, Rodgers, Cassel, Brees, and Collins. 8/32

What's the correct answer?
 
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Demon_Vol said:
To be fair, I don't think any of us are worried about our QB's making it in the pros. We just want a good QB at the college level. Not saying the TB decision was a good one or a bad one, we'll see how it turns out. But talking about 5* QB's in the pros doesn't really mean anything to what we want.
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The pros assess talent just like in college but they tend to look at things different then in college. With all the NFL experience we are getting on our staff I am under the impression that their list of recruits may not always match up to Rivals or Scouts. Just a thought...
 
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It also depends on whose rating system your using. I've seen players who were considered 5 star be one service to be rated a 3 star by another (Colt McCoy is an example, and Brent Vinson is another).

In Rivals, they ranked Coleman as a 4 star, but Phil Steele did not consider him to be a top 50 qb prospect, and Steele knows his stuff. So, I would think that one would need to look at how all the recruiting services rank a player, and then look at the overall picture.
 
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I'd say that probably Palmer, Cassel, and both Mannings were probably the highest rated coming out of HS.
 
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don't throw cassel into that group. he's a backup filling in for an injury.

And really the question should be directed to look more at how many 5 stars produce in college probably since this is directed to boyd and recruiting
 
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Mathematically, there are a lot more non-five stars than five stars. Is it really statistically significant that more non five stars make it than five stars? Odds are that would be the case. The real question is, what percentage of five stars make it, vs. what percentage of 4 stars vs what percentage of 3 stars? I am pretty certain five stars would come out on top.

This exercise doesn't really prove anything.
 
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Volsfan4243 said:
Both Mannings, Palmer, McNabb, Rodgers, Cassel, Brees, and Collins. 8/32

What's the correct answer?
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Wasn't he from Texas and all of the big schools from there passed him up? I didn' think he was 5 star...

Nevertheless, wouldn't this be a better comparison if we got the starting QB's on the top 25 football teams and asked how many were 5 stars?
 
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IPorange said:
Mathematically, there are a lot more non-five stars than five stars. Is it really statistically significant that more non five stars make it than five stars? Odds are that would be the case. The real question is, what percentage of five stars make it, vs. what percentage of 4 stars vs what percentage of 3 stars? I am pretty certain five stars would come out on top.

This exercise doesn't really prove anything.
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That sounds a little oversimplified. I mean, if you're "supposed" to be that good you should always be the ones on top. To oversimplify the other way you could plant the the Victoria Secret girls in any room and they'll be among the hottest girls there, regardless of if that room had 100 other girls or 1,000.

For the sake of evaluation from '02 to '07 Rivals listed 19 5* QB's. You can decide how much they've lived up (or not) to their ranking.

'02
Ben Olson, Trent Edwards, Vince Young, Marcus Vick

'03
Kyle Wright

'04
Rhett Bomar, Anthony Morelli, Chad Henne, Xavier Lee, Matt Tuiasosopo

'05
Marc Sanchez, Ryan Perrilloux

'06
Matt Stafford, Mitch Mustain, Tim Tebow

'07
Jimmy Clausen, Ryan Mallet, Tyrod Taylor, Cameron Newton
 
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"5 star" is a mythical term that employs recruiting websites, adds momentum to recruiting classes and gets the fans excited.

It serves no real purpose on gauging success.
 
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All the 5-star nonsense aside, I think the main reason why so many people seem to be questioning CLK on Boyd, is out of frustration. After watching the best athletes in country put on Florida hats, hearing stories about Alabama, and watching every other SEC school flashed on the screen every 15 minutes, the only mention we got was how the QB, (who had 2 TD's at that point) had said he was coming to Tennesee, but that the new coach, (LK) had contacted the kid and said he wouldn't fit into our offense.

Secondly, this is confusing to some people who are under the impression that the QB position is one of the weak spots on the team, and saw an opportunity to sign a thoroughbred athlete lost. Not to mention the wasted advantage to Coaches O and Chaney on the recruiting front to be able to use Boyd's national exposure and reputation to help land a couple more highly touted recruits that may be available.

Lastly, while Boyd's running abilities may disqualify him as a "pro-style pocket passer," the ability to escape a rush from the type of defenes in the SEC might prove to be a valuable commodity. There's no doubt that wherever he goes, (hopefully nowhere in the SEC) he'll make his fair share of big plays.
 
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The key to any talent is the position coach just as Coach O said in his press. That was the complaint from NFL scouts to UT when asked. Good talent, lack of coaching. The big key to having Coach Monte on the staff is 'teaching' players to play and to teach coaches to coach. As far as ratings go, economics. Patsys like us get all fired up and pay money to read what these 'experts' say about a recruit. Question... how many of these recruiting experts have ever coached or evaluated talent for a team? Most go on stats put up by these kids who are good players among bad players. I'm anxious to see how this new staff will bring in players and then 'coach them up.'
 
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The whole purpose of this post was to reveal to people not to get all worked up over the QB position. It is apparent that Big Ben, Kurt Warner or Brett Favre was not highly thought of coming out of Highschool but yet their talent was noticed by the NFL scouts and have gone on to be successful in the NFL. I truly believe CLK & Co. can recognize potential NFL talent at this position and it may or may not be someone who is rated high on rivals or scouts. One other thing with the exception of a few NFL QB's is they all have 1 thing in common and that is height range from 6'3" to 6'6" range with strong arms to make all the throws.
 
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