Just how complex is the 3-4???

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17Vols said:
I've read all about the first year struggles converting defenses from 4-3 to 3-4. Bama and UGA most recently. Both of them did even worse their first using it before it paid dividends. But come on, it's still just assignment football right?
Any actual players or coaches in here that can shine some light on this?
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I had someone pull stats for Uga and Bam their first year. We are not even close. If i recall they were both total defense ranked around 50or less the first year. We are 100 and something. Our players are not that bad. There not world beaters but not that bad
 
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#29
Great article on pattern-match man covrage which is what is killing our defense.

The answer that Saban, Belichick, and many others developed was "pattern-match" coverage — essentially man coverage that uses zone principles to identify the matchups. As Saban explained at the 2010 Coach of the Year Clinics Football Manual clinic:

You can play coverages in three ways. You can play zone, man, or pattern-match man. Pattern-match man is a coverage that plays the pattern after the pattern distribution. That means you pick up in man coverage after the receivers make their initial breaks and cuts. We number receivers from the outside going inside. If the number-one receiver crosses with the number-two receiver, we do not pick up the man coverage until they define where they are going.
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Dick LeBeau and the evolution of coverage tactics in the zone blitz - Grantland
 
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It's not a matter of being complex as it is base on what players we have or lack of. We're thin up front especially DT and frankly even LB. The 3-4 was a given based on personel. The 3-4 can work but you really need the right "bodies". First you have to have a solid DT who is big and plug up the middle. The ends need to be fast and big; like a cross of DE & DT. The two ILB's need to be brusiers to plug the middle between the DT yet quick to go outside. The OLB's need quickness to cover WR's and RB's yet big enough to stop the outside run. In the NFL it has been a success but not sure in college it can be done correctly given the four year turn around in adopting to it out of HS.
 
#32
#32
the scheme doesnt affect fundamentals like wrapping up and taking good angles to tackle people. we would almost be better not calling plays and just letting our defense read and react
 
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KingtUT said:
Amazed me how people were hating Wilcox, I wasnt one of them , I assure you that.
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looking back, it is pretty remarkable that wilcox had us in the top third in overall D given our relatively poor depth, and especially our terrible O that was 130th or so out of 132 in running the ball.

instead of ending up with Sansucki, we could have given wilcox a 50% pay raise to keep him, only been out a net of $50k/yr, and we would now be 6-2 or possibly 7-1.

but to answer the OP, there are 3 possibilities re why our D sucks so badly and is not improving:

1) the 3-4 is a bad system. imo, not true as other teams use it effectively.

2) our players suck. an NFL analyst was quoted this week as saying that 9 of our D will make it to the NFL. i think this is optimistic, but nevertheless while perhaps not ideally suited to the 3-4 we do have talent on the D side of the ball so i don't think this possibility holds water.

3) D staff, especially Sansucki, are poor teachers of the system and poor at applying the system on gameday. this option makes the most sense to me.
 
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TennTom said:
Alabama finished 31st in total defense and 27th in scoring in Nick Saban's first year.

Georgia finished 23rd in total defense and 26th in scoring defense in Todd Grantham's first year.

UT is currently 99th in total defense and 101st in scoring in Sal Sunseri's first year.

Quit with the excuses. The results speak for themselves.
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Agreed. The Sunseri 3-4 crowd refuses to see the truth that is painfully obvious to most, Sunseri is clueless as a DC. The 3-4 may be a difficult system to adapt to, and it may be what the Vols need on defense, but Sunseri is the wrong man for the job.
 
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