Just announced on Radio: Davis, Wardlow dismissed by Fulmer (Merged)

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jakez4ut said:
good point. the examples presented are valid. but even those coaches that took the chance would telly they knew they were taking a chance.

on the flipside, there was a kid named Randy Moss that FSU and NOtre Dame both passed on and he wound up at Marshall and had a rather uneventfull off the field career there to go with his stellar on the field career.

it goes both ways and coaches have been wrong either way in the past. it's part of the business they are in.
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true, you have to wonder if Moss would have managed to make it through unscathed has he been on a larger stage.
 
#102
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jakez4ut said:
i don't think that's completley fair. i dont think anyone in major college ball goes in to recruiting wiht the notion they are recruiting a problem, yet all of them, on multiple occaisons, have wound up with them.
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"Fair" in a thread line with Rex. :eek:lol:

His stand on discipline changes like the wind. If Phil had kept the kids on the team he'd have called that out as a bad decision.
 
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rexvol said:
true, you have to wonder if Moss would have managed to make it through unscathed has he been on a larger stage.
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well we already sort of know the answer to that question, hind sight being what it is.

but it doesn't change what actually happened. two big schools passed (though both did try to, and i believe both did at one point, enroll him) ultimately on him, and someone else reaped the benefit.

that's part of the decision making process, does the potential risk outweight the potential reward? what if you pass on the kid and a competitor picks him and you pay for it later? no one wants to be on that end of the debate. far easier to take the chance, try to give the kid the opportunity and if it doesnt work out and he does turn out the wrong way, you don't have to keep yourself attached to him.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
"Fair" in a thread line with Rex. :eek:lol:

His stand on discipline changes like the wind. If Phil had kept the kids on the team he'd have called that out as a bad decision.
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these decisions genearlly do bring out the old double edged sword.
 
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jakez4ut said:
good point. the examples presented are valid. but even those coaches that took the chance would telly they knew they were taking a chance.

on the flipside, there was a kid named Randy Moss that FSU and NOtre Dame both passed on and he wound up at Marshall and had a rather uneventfull off the field career there to go with his stellar on the field career.

it goes both ways and coaches have been wrong either way in the past. it's part of the business they are in.
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Moss went to FSU. Got booted for smokin' out.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Moss went to FSU. Got booted for smokin' out.
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he also got passed up or booted at ND as well.

point being....the decision to give a 2nd chance or to even take the 1st chance is a difficult one, you just don't know how it will work out.

in the case of Marshall, it worked out very well to give that 2nd chance. one wonders what might have been had FSU done the same.

but that's with the benefit of hindsight and all......
 
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jakez4ut said:
he also got passed up or booted at ND as well.

point being....the decision to give a 2nd chance or to even take the 1st chance is a difficult one, you just don't know how it will work out.

in the case of Marshall, it worked out very well to give that 2nd chance. one wonders what might have been had FSU done the same.

but that's with the benefit of hindsight and all......
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I get the point of second chances - and agree completely. I've needed many of them.

FSU just didn't want to wait for Moss to get out of prison to give him a second chance.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
"Fair" in a thread line with Rex. :eek:lol:

His stand on discipline changes like the wind. If Phil had kept the kids on the team he'd have called that out as a bad decision.
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fair and balanced, that's me. Let' face it, IE, you cant handle the truth.
 
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does this mean we want Rex on the board, we need Rex on the board? or simply that at parties, we turn his posts in to punchlines?
:p
 
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TennesseeT said:
I can someone who identifies Sinclair Cannon and Jarrod Parrish as big losses be given the title "VN GURU"?
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1. I never either of those particular players were big losses.

2. We will have exactly 2 players with experience at the safety position, one of whom just spent a year away from football. Have you ever heard of depth? Having only two guys to play the two safety positions is not good. Trust me.

3. It would serve you well to be more humble.
 
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jakez4ut said:
does this mean we want Rex on the board, we need Rex on the board? or simply that at parties, we turn his posts in to punchlines?
:p
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I just expect Rex to tell me Phil can find the mess hall without it being mentioned in the football media guide.
 
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#117
I'm glad he's moving away from what used to be a slap-on-the-hand approach to discipline. Whatever these guys did, I am sure there was both precedential behavior and an opoprtunity to correct it. Fulmer isn't THAT harsh.
 
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So is this a for real never to be heard from again dismissal or maybe the super double secret maybe they can work their way back into the good graces type of thing......seems like some dismissals have not held in the past.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Hoping it's the former. Otherwise, players have no incentive to conform their behavior to the rules.
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Sometimes the mule wakes up when he is introduced to a 2x4 across the nose...it's hard to tell what should be the correct punishment when we are not privy to the facts.
 
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Plano Vol said:
Sometimes the mule wakes up when he is introduced to a 2x4 across the nose...it's hard to tell what should be the correct punishment when we are not privy to the facts.
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True, but I know for a fact that there were things that were pretty bad (at least in the past) that didn't cause dismissal.

Remember J Banks' dismissal from spring practice back in the day? Well, let's just say I was the victim of that little afair. And while he didn't get dismissed (and got try after try thereafter), I spent my last semester at UT getting drinks dumped on me at parties and having to call the cops once a week to protect me against derranged fans knocking on my door at night because word got around that the dismissal was over something to do with me.

All I'm saying is, I know what the players have gotten away with before without getting dismissed. Unless things have changed substantially, this was either strike three or something really bad.
 
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Plano Vol said:
So is this a for real never to be heard from again dismissal or maybe the super double secret maybe they can work their way back into the good graces type of thing......seems like some dismissals have not held in the past.
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Who has been dismissed and then allowed back on the team before?
 
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TheVol said:
Not to do what? Do you know what they did?
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usually if they say it's a violation of team rules and there's nothing in the press about a fight or an arrest, it's a failed drug test or some sort of scandal that the department has managed to keep under the lid.
 
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jakez4ut said:
he also got passed up or booted at ND as well.

point being....the decision to give a 2nd chance or to even take the 1st chance is a difficult one, you just don't know how it will work out.

in the case of Marshall, it worked out very well to give that 2nd chance. one wonders what might have been had FSU done the same.

but that's with the benefit of hindsight and all......
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No second chances at ND. Mess up once and your gone. They will give you a chance with the academic side but you'll take a year off from football to get things together. ND has problems just like every other school in the country, just different ways of dealing with them. Sometimes it hurts them with depth, experience, wins, etc.
 
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