JUCO players Dooley's secret weapon?

#26
#26
Juco players are great when you have to fill a need quickly and cannot wait to develop younger players out of high school. If you make recruiting juco your bread and butter it becomes a problem rather quickly, I'm sure DD knows this and will act accordingly when depth and needs are not such an issue.
 
#27
#27
ljeller said:
We need bodies at this point and bodies more likely to contribute--the sooner the better. JUCO is the route to go in this instance so I'm all for it. There are some quality JUCO's out there and bringing them in definitely gives instant depth/experience which helps out big time with our depleted numbers.
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With the situation Dooley was thrown in with Tenn Juco players will be fine at first help you fill out team. Then after a year or two of recuriting you can get back to freshmen players
 
#28
#28
GoVols10EC said:
I have always been a fan of Juco's. I agree they are more prepared to contribute immediately. On average they seem to get rated lower for whatever reason, so a 3 star juco is like a 4 star freshman in the short term. Some Vol greats that were jucos Dale Carter, Chuck Smith, Chris Mims, and Gibril Wilson.
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In our case, a few of them might help as a stopgap given the bad situation Kiffin left us in. A lot of juco coaches, leagues and conferences just aren't very good, and most jucos are not major contributors. A few are, but most aren't. Even if the "student-athlete" has talent or potential, he's typically got only two years to adjust to a new system, school, coaches, etc., which isn't very long.
 
#29
#29
jsc1973 said:
I think Dooley's looking at all of the JUCOs because we are so short in quality players in the junior and senior classes right now. You really don't want to run your program based on JUCOs, but when you're in a situation like Tennessee is in right now, bringing in some two-year players is a nice stopgap to keep the team competitive while you develop the freshmen. It's also a nice way to finish off the team when there's just a hole or two, like we've done so many times before.

Dooley is going to do what he can to try to win right away, which means plugging the holes with JUCO talent if and when he can. I don't think it will be a long-term trend.

Snyder did what he did at Kansas State because he really didn't have a choice. Manhattan, Kansas isn't a destination that high school hotshots are ever going to aspire to. But 20-year-old men who have been riding JUCO buses for two seasons have a different perspective on things.
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It's also worth noting that the state of Kansas has some good JUCO football programs.
 
#30
#30
Also dont forget most JUCO guys are only at JUCO because of grades or injury. Most of them were D1 talent coming out of high school and for whatever reason got missed, grades, injury, exposure... If its a talent issue most just go to a lower division not JUCO. So keep an open mind about these guys and let them try to prove their worth before you get upset about their number of stars.
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#33
#33
Yea I hadn't thought about how essential JUCOs could be in our current situation. Getting highly recruited kids from high school is difficult giving the coaching turmoil that has gone on. Our depth is basically none existent in some positions. I think it is a smart strategy to get some guys who have filled out and can contribute this season, so that we don't have to field a lot of inexperienced, albeit talented, freshman. If Dooley gets a few more guys who can contribute immediately in the areas in which we are lacking depth, he may be able to salvage a winning season, which would be HUGE in terms of recruiting for 2011 (i.e. our program is turning around and will become a national contender with you, etc.).

I think by getting guys who can help us in the short run, Dooley is actually setting us up for long-term success. Keep rolling CDD!
 
#35
#35
Is there still such a thing as a junior college anymore? Aren't they community colleges? Just asking... I guess COCs doesn't sound as good. :eek:
 
#36
#36
I'm typically a bit sketchy on going after TOO many JUCO guys, but in this situation, it would be very nice to get a few in the fold.
 
#37
#37
SpaceCoastVol said:
Is there still such a thing as a junior college anymore? Aren't they community colleges? Just asking... I guess COCs doesn't sound as good. :eek:
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If you follow the way they came up with JUCO, it would actually be COCOs. I don't think any of these guys would respond very well if you called them that. I know I'm not going to call Rivera that to his face. I can't run that fast.
 
#38
#38
Volfan4ever522 said:
Also dont forget most JUCO guys are only at JUCO because of grades or injury. Most of them were D1 talent coming out of high school and for whatever reason got missed, grades, injury, exposure... If its a talent issue most just go to a lower division not JUCO. So keep an open mind about these guys and let them try to prove their worth before you get upset about their number of stars.
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True. I think you are less likely to bust with a JUCO too. You pretty much know what your getting when you get them. A high school player may be good or may be a bust (no matter what the star). A JUCO is what he is.
 
#39
#39
I believe well end up with 5 JUCOs this year home many have we averaged for the last 5 years? Anyone have a list of NFL superstars that started out at JUCOs?
 
#40
#40
johnnyknoxville said:
I hadn't thought about this till about 37 seconds ago but getting JUCO players like we have seems like a great option.

Most can play immediately have 1 or 2 solid years under their belt have bulked up and grown up a bit more than these incoming freshman and already have a pretty good expectation of what they will need to bring to the classroom to stay on the squad.

I would probably choose a 3 star JUCO over a 4 star freshman any day.

Was Dooley big into getting JUCO boyz to LA TECH or is this his plan to bring our school back into the mix of things in the SEC a bit sooner than any of us thought.

I was looking at maybe 3 to 5 years but I wouldn't hesitate being back in the hunt of things by 2011.
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DOOley liked recruiting JUCO players at La Tech especially in positions where depth will be a problem. It was hard to get BIG lineman with talent to come to TECH directly from HS.

For UT to get JUCOs, I feel its only because of the lack of depth/size in that particular position. Dooley also needs to bring in talent immediately to quickily squash the Dooley - haters.

Has there ever been a JUCO player that plays wr/rb/qb/dbs? I cant recall any but always seems to see the JUCO pickups are always big lineman/lbs.
 
#41
#41
VolTech said:
DOOley liked recruiting JUCO players at La Tech especially in positions where depth will be a problem. It was hard to get BIG lineman with talent to come to TECH directly from HS.

For UT to get JUCOs, I feel its only because of the lack of depth/size in that particular position. Dooley also needs to bring in talent immediately to quickily squash the Dooley - haters.

Has there ever been a JUCO player that plays wr/rb/qb/dbs? I cant recall any but always seems to see the JUCO pickups are always big lineman/lbs.
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Julian Battle comes to mind right away.
 
#42
#42
When the ranks have been stripped down as much as ours have you have to sign JUCOs. If you sign a bunch of freshman and put it in their hands then you have guys coming from HS to SEC football which is a bigger jump and the players are less mature. With JUCOs you have guys who have player at a higher level and will be SO and JR so you dont have to fear graduation 20 starters 4 years from now if we sign a bunch of freshman and have to play them.
 
#43
#43
yes, this is a move born of necessity. This is not necessarily being done to compete at a high level next year, but just to survive next year. We took lamaison last year not because x thought he could be a viable starting option, but simply because we had to have another qb to run practices. Jucos can be good in the situation we are in, but that just tells you how tough our position is. Lest face it, if jucos were that great an option you see the more talent rich programs really going after them in numbers. It's not just a smart move by cdd, it's probably his only move. That's again Phil...

jsc1973 said:
I think Dooley's looking at all of the JUCOs because we are so short in quality players in the junior and senior classes right now. You really don't want to run your program based on JUCOs, but when you're in a situation like Tennessee is in right now, bringing in some two-year players is a nice stopgap to keep the team competitive while you develop the freshmen. It's also a nice way to finish off the team when there's just a hole or two, like we've done so many times before.

Dooley is going to do what he can to try to win right away, which means plugging the holes with JUCO talent if and when he can. I don't think it will be a long-term trend.

Snyder did what he did at Kansas State because he really didn't have a choice. Manhattan, Kansas isn't a destination that high school hotshots are ever going to aspire to. But 20-year-old men who have been riding JUCO buses for two seasons have a different perspective on things.
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#44
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rickyyrs said:
With the situation Dooley was thrown in with Tenn Juco players will be fine at first help you fill out team. Then after a year or two of recuriting you can get back to freshmen players
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No doubt you always would rather take a freshman, but in our unique situation with so many ran off from the previous regime, it is almost a necessity to take several JUCOs. Probably go after a few next year since this staff is already behind and after that only go after a select few--focusing mainly on glaring holes/standout JUCOs.
 
#45
#45
orangesox said:
Julian Battle comes to mind right away.
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Charlie Garner was a Juco guy. Not sure you want to go heavy on Juco every year, but an influx of Juco talent after you've had juniors declare and a bunch of guys that didn't pan out isn't a bad plan. Mostly they should compliment what you've recruited from the high school ranks.
 
#46
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VolTech said:
DOOley liked recruiting JUCO players at La Tech especially in positions where depth will be a problem. It was hard to get BIG lineman with talent to come to TECH directly from HS.

For UT to get JUCOs, I feel its only because of the lack of depth/size in that particular position. Dooley also needs to bring in talent immediately to quickily squash the Dooley - haters.

Has there ever been a JUCO player that plays wr/rb/qb/dbs? I cant recall any but always seems to see the JUCO pickups are always big lineman/lbs.
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I think in the 80's and 90's we would get players from
NE Oklahoma Junior College. I remember that Marcus Nash was from Oklahoma. Did he attend NEOJC?
 
#47
#47
DRMANN said:
I think in the 80's and 90's we would get players from
NE Oklahoma Junior College. I remember that Marcus Nash was from Oklahoma. Did he attend NEOJC?
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No, Nash was from a high school in Tulsa I think. We did 'place' a lot of guys at NEOJC and played them in JV games every year.
 
#48
#48
DRMANN said:
I think in the 80's and 90's we would get players from
NE Oklahoma Junior College. I remember that Marcus Nash was from Oklahoma. Did he attend NEOJC?
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No Nash was here 4 years. If only Maurice Staley had been able to stay all 4 too that duo would have been tough to beat with Peyton throwing the ball to them as seniors

Coffeyville KS is where UT used to place/get alot of guys from.
 
#49
#49
jarvol said:
No Nash was here 4 years. If only Maurice Staley had been able to stay all 4 too that duo would have been tough to beat with Peyton throwing the ball to them as seniors

Coffeyville KS is where UT used to place/get alot of guys from.
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And NEOJC before that. It depended on the relationship between the UT HC and the JC. Got several from both.
 
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