Juaun Jennings on Vandy....

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VFL-82-JP said:
Not necessarily. It comes back to the resumes and application packets, and getting selected for an interview. In my last job, I was most directly engaged in selecting hires in the GS-14 and GS-15 grades (civilian equivalent of LTC and COL, so folks with 15-25 years experience generally) ... and the presence or absence of a "Princeton" or "Vanderbilt" in the application was one data point of many that might help a person get on the short list for an interview.

Don't want to overstate it, it's just one of many data points that might contribute to a decision to put the file in the short stack. But it is one of them.
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I disagree (at least in regards to DoD GS hires). Experience at the next lower level trumps all. They would rather take a retired MAJ or LTC with work directly relevant in that field. I have seen tons of officers from these prestigious schools that could lead Soldiers out of a wet paper bag.
 
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Why do the big hospitals and financial institutions list the fact that one of their doctors did his residency or interned at Johns Hopkins, or that a financial advisor graduated from the Wharton School of Business? It must mean something to somebody.
U.T. doesn't carry as much weight in certain situations.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Are we seriously arguing over which degree is better? Last time I checked this thread was about Juan Jennings and beating Vanderbilt???
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Vol737 said:
My dad used to always say "give me a B student from a State school that is highly motivated and I'll whip an Ivy League crowd every day of the week and twice on Sunday's".
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This.

I took my boy to Homecoming, and he asked what a Volunteer was. I told him it was a person who finishes the job right because it needs to be done, no matter what.

That mentality has always served me well professionally.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Why do the big hospitals and financial institutions list the fact that one of their doctors did his residency or interned at Johns Hopkins, or that a financial advisor graduated from the Wharton School of Business? It must mean something to somebody.
U.T. doesn't carry as much weight in certain situations.
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Certain schools are known for excelling in certain areas. Just depends on the field.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Why do the big hospitals and financial institutions list the fact that one of their doctors did his residency or interned at Johns Hopkins, or that a financial advisor graduated from the Wharton School of Business? It must mean something to somebody.
U.T. doesn't carry as much weight in certain situations.
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Uhhhhh the quality of a school's postgraduate education has nothing to do with the quality of the undergraduate education at said school. Furthermore, a residency is associated with an institution, not a school.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Nope, just one discriminator among many. When you have to pare 100 down to 10 before even meeting the people, every word in their packets can be a discriminator. Going to a top school means (1) the person was driven to excel when younger, and (2) was successful enough to do so.

So you pair that with all those other indicators of how they performed throughout their careers, including right up to their current job.

And sometimes it comes down to one or two small differences between several imminently qualified possibilities.

All I'm saying is, having a highly-regarded university name in the resume is one of those many points of data that can tip the scales a bit.

If you don't get that, I can't explain it any better. But it's real, and it happens in business, government, and the military.
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Since we are using personal anecdotes as legit evidence, I will say as a contractor a very large portion of the GS types I work with are clueless, lazy, and arrogant.

I can guarantee you 9 times out of 10 a new college graduate with a degree from MTSU with a couple years of interning will get the job before a Vandy graduate with no experience, at least in the private sector. Experience is more valuable. And even all things being equal, an Ivy League degree isn't that much of a discriminator. Connections, who one knows, the type of job, etc all factor in more.

Not saying doesn't help, but the value you are placing top tier school degree is being overstated.
 
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For the record, I looked it up and the average mid career salary for a Vanderbilt graduate is $102,000. For a UTK graduate, the mid career salary is $79,000.
 
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fade route said:
For the record, I looked it up and the average mid career salary for a Vanderbilt graduate is $102,000. For a UTK graduate, the mid career salary is $79,000.
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Yep.

There's the way we think the world ought to work, and then there's the way the world really does work.

The underdog doesn't actually win, most of the time.

For every hard-working, bright, eager, personable MTSU (or Vols) graduate, there's a hard-working, bright, eager, personable Duke (or Vandy) graduate. Well, not as many, because their class sizes are smaller. But you get the meaning.
 
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fade route said:
For the record, I looked it up and the average mid career salary for a Vanderbilt graduate is $102,000. For a UTK graduate, the mid career salary is $79,000.
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Simply has to do with numbers. Vandy is a very good, small school but the top grads from UT will do just as well.
 
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In todays world, competitive career fields require a Masters degree at least for serious consideration.
I would argue that a State school undergrad degree will not make a huge difference in pay because the terminal degree is the one that you want to pay more dollars for and have one from a University that has a stellar reputation. Typically the Vanderbilt argument is pitched primarily from those who never attended the university.
 
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fade route said:
For the record, I looked it up and the average mid career salary for a Vanderbilt graduate is $102,000. For a UTK graduate, the mid career salary is $79,000.
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It's nice knowing my wife makes more than a Vandy grad. She got her BS and Masters degree online from someplace in Colorado.
 
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His name is spelled Jauan. I'll be proud to carry the correct-spelling-of-our-beloved-players'-names banner.

Also, it's Wolf, in case someone wanted to toss an e in there again.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Not necessarily. It comes back to the resumes and application packets, and getting selected for an interview. In my last job, I was most directly engaged in selecting hires in the GS-14 and GS-15 grades (civilian equivalent of LTC and COL, so folks with 15-25 years experience generally) ... and the presence or absence of a "Princeton" or "Vanderbilt" in the application was one data point of many that might help a person get on the short list for an interview.

Don't want to overstate it, it's just one of many data points that might contribute to a decision to put the file in the short stack. But it is one of them.
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I don't know which Federal service you were recruiting for, but I'm in the VA, and I can tell you that for the non-medical administrative staff, it's military service all day long, specifically the duties performed while in the military. (There are some exceptions like me who have super-specialized work experience that trumps college education.) Any education looked at would be the work-specific post-grad education paid for by the military, gaining the FACHE designation, etc.

I've never once heard anyone discussing their undergraduate education, other than the SEC vs ACC vs everybody else wise-cracking, but I've sure heard about which military hospitals they ran/ helped run/ etc. (If anyone went to Vandy, they have wisely kept this to themselves.)

That's pretty dang sad that you used undergraduate alma maters as a way of shrinking a stack of applications down to what you considered a manageable stack.
 
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VolNExile said:
I don't know which Federal service you were recruiting for, but I'm in the VA, and I can tell you that for the non-medical administrative staff, it's military service all day long, specifically the duties performed while in the military. (There are some exceptions like me who have super-specialized work experience that trumps college education.) Any education looked at would be the work-specific post-grad education paid for by the military, gaining the FACHE designation, etc.

I've never once heard anyone discussing their undergraduate education, other than the SEC vs ACC vs everybody else wise-cracking, but I've sure heard about which military hospitals they ran/ helped run/ etc. (If anyone went to Vandy, they have wisely kept this to themselves.)

That's pretty dang sad that you used undergraduate alma maters as a way of shrinking a stack of applications down to what you considered a manageable stack.
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This. All day long.
 
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I went to MTSU 10 graduated with $20,000 in student loans. I'm now making just over 6 figures. I now live in Ithaca New York just outside Cornell University. I see kids graduate all the time with $250,000 in student loans getting $60,000 year jobs. Not about what university you go to. It's about degrees selection, ability to market yourself, in the ability to do critical thinking. I'm sure Vandy is no different than Cornell. High dollar degrees, with low dollar payoffs.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
I went to MTSU 10 graduated with $20,000 in student loans. I'm now making just over 6 figures. I now live in Ithaca New York just outside Cornell University. I see kids graduate all the time with $250,000 in student loans getting $60,000 year jobs. Not about what university you go to. It's about degrees selection, ability to market yourself, in the ability to do critical thinking. I'm sure Vandy is no different than Cornell. High dollar degrees, with low dollar payoffs.
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My only point was that Vandy grads on average make more post graduation that a UTK grad and I was proven right when I actually looked it up. The numbers don't lie.
 
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