JP Prince vs Evan Turner

#51
#51
true2003 said:
Downey went off on us the first game, scoring 26, while we held him to only 15 in the second game. Does anyone know the adjustments we made?
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Downey was 5-20 from the field I don't consider that going off on us. He was 13-14 from the foul line so half of his points were from there. I think Prince will do well, but the key is staying with Diebler and Bufford and not having 3 guys collapse on turner leaving them wide open for 3.
 
#52
#52
junebug said:
Look for full court press.
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We aren't going to press Ohio State. We are not a pressing team this year. Going to the press at this point would simply assure that we lose the game. I think we will look for transition baskets and push the ball more, but no way do we press.
 
#53
#53
hdrizzle21 said:
I have seen both teams play a lot... Ohio State plays small, you won't be able to play Chism and Williams at the same time. OSU has 3 guys that can beat you off the dribble and a deadly 3 point shooter.

Prince could try and D up on Turner but hes going to get his 20-30 points no matter what. What Bruce should consider doing is picking up man to man full court and try force turnovers.

The key usually for OSU is Buford and Diebler. If they are hitting from deep you don't stand a chance. But if they are off, and you can get Lauderdale in some foul trouble you can pull off the upset
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As crazy as this sounds, I think you might be able to put Chism on Diebler. That guy can't drive the basketball. And as long as he has a hand in his face or is forced to shoot without squaring up, then he won't make it.
 
#54
#54
braths said:
Prince is the only one on our current roster that could handle Turner one on one.
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All of this one on one talk with Turner is ridiculous...We all know CBP will be throwing multiple looks and multiple people at him, whoever is guarding Turner will definately have help. The Vols aren't going to try and guard him straight up
 
#55
#55
buckeyevol23 said:
Good point about Vols being ranked highly in 3 point fg % defense. However, this time Ohio State is shooting the ball.
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I would venture to guess that Ohio, as hot as they were coming into our matchup, was shooting better from 3 than OSU, granted OSU is a much better team, but UT has faced teams better than Ohio State from behind the arc more than once this year. So to act like OSU's 3 point shooting is elite to anything UT has faced this year is crazy.

Oldblood said:
I think Kansas is top 10 in 3 point shooting. I wonder how they shot the ball from 3 against UT.
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7-27 25.9%
 
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#57
#57
If we come to play and by that I mean if we don't stand around on offense and take it to the basket we win. When tennessee chooses to play we can play with anybody. Only concern is if the refs have the game decided in their minds before tipoff!!!
 
#58
#58
Count_Dooley said:
We have done a great job containing stars this year IMO, see Downey, Bassett, Leonard, Williams etc...
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Sho 'nuff... But I'm worried about their "other" guy. OSU may not be the best 3 point shooting team in the country, but they are certainly good at it. Look at the Kentucky game. We double teamed Wall on the perimeter, leaving Bledsoe open to shoot uncontested 3's. I'm afraid that Pearl knows this could happen again, and won't double team Turner as much. That would be a bad thing, because we honestly don't have anyone who can guard him for 40 minutes. Then again, I do think Ohio State has been overhyped this year. As long as we don't make stupid turnovers and give up on attacking the zone, we stand a pretty good chance in what I think will be a really close game.
 
#59
#59
CanesVols02 said:
I beg to differ. I'll take lefty Prince on this one. Prince may not score as much as Turner, but he will win the game for us
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prince versus evan turner is irrelevant. turner can get his 30 and we will win easily if we get dallas lauderdale in foul trouble. the key match up is brian willams vs lauderdale. if williams is aggressive offensively and take the ball to the hoop he will get lauderdale in foul trouble which will open up the inside for chism and drives by prince, turner will get his but no way osu wins if lauderdale only plays 20 minutes. lauderdale is the key.
 
#60
#60
jjvol said:
prince versus evan turner is irrelevant. turner can get his 30 and we will win easily if we get dallas lauderdale in foul trouble. the key match up is brian willams vs lauderdale. if williams is aggressive offensively and take the ball to the hoop he will get lauderdale in foul trouble which will open up the inside for chism and drives by prince, turner will get his but no way osu wins if lauderdale only plays 20 minutes. lauderdale is the key.
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+10000

great post.
 
#61
#61
Squoshua17 said:
Sho 'nuff... But I'm worried about their "other" guy. OSU may not be the best 3 point shooting team in the country, but they are certainly good at it. Look at the Kentucky game. We double teamed Wall on the perimeter, leaving Bledsoe open to shoot uncontested 3's. I'm afraid that Pearl knows this could happen again, and won't double team Turner as much. That would be a bad thing, because we honestly don't have anyone who can guard him for 40 minutes. Then again, I do think Ohio State has been overhyped this year. As long as we don't make stupid turnovers and give up on attacking the zone, we stand a pretty good chance in what I think will be a really close game.
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More like defensive breakdowns in our zone which led to Bledsoe getting open. I think we were just beat.

I think we can play off Turner a little bit and just try to keep him from beating us off the dribble. He's not a great 3 point shooter, so you can take your chances with him from outside.
 
#62
#62
jjvol said:
prince versus evan turner is irrelevant. turner can get his 30 and we will win easily if we get dallas lauderdale in foul trouble. the key match up is brian willams vs lauderdale. if williams is aggressive offensively and take the ball to the hoop he will get lauderdale in foul trouble which will open up the inside for chism and drives by prince, turner will get his but no way osu wins if lauderdale only plays 20 minutes. lauderdale is the key.
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i'm not sure sure... Kyle Madsen is Lauderdale's backup and at least he's competent. Aside from Turner if you get one of their guards in trouble, there is a big drop off going to Jeremie Simmons

Although, having said that, even if one of their guards does get in foul trouble, they bring in Madsen regardless... but at least it's a weaker lineup.
 
#63
#63
golfballs03 said:
More like defensive breakdowns in our zone which led to Bledsoe getting open. I think we were just beat.

I think we can play off Turner a little bit and just try to keep him from beating us off the dribble. He's not a great 3 point shooter, so you can take your chances with him from outside.
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Not to mention it was much tougher for our bigs to rotate out in that zone considering Demarcus Cousins was bangin down low, as great as Wall is, I felt like we had more trouble trying to handle Cousins down low than we did with Wall
 
#64
#64
golfballs03 said:
More like defensive breakdowns in our zone which led to Bledsoe getting open. I think we were just beat.

I think we can play off Turner a little bit and just try to keep him from beating us off the dribble. He's not a great 3 point shooter, so you can take your chances with him from outside.
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Yep
I'd rather him go 4/8 outside than 9/13 and 7/8 ft's driving our paint all night.
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#67
#67
^^^Sorry if the truth hurts. You're not playing Bama or San Diego State or Ohio U or the Gamecocks. These guys are a little better shooters than about anyone you've faced. Even the mighty UK Wildcats do most of their damage in the paint.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, Ohio State could go cold like they did against North Carolina early on and miss everything. That happens.
 
#68
#68
Buford was in an awful slump against UNC. He shot 3-16 in that game and took at least a dozen of those shots in the first half. Most of them barely hit the rim. I hope I never see a shooting night like that again.
 
#69
#69
Ankle Breaker said:
^^^Sorry if the truth hurts. You're not playing Bama or San Diego State or Ohio U or the Gamecocks. These guys are a little better shooters than about anyone you've faced. Even the mighty UK Wildcats do most of their damage in the paint.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, Ohio State could go cold like they did against North Carolina early on and miss everything. That happens.
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The truth is: we've already played and beaten two teams better than you.

And the truth is: we've played a much tougher schedule than you. So, the little lecture about you all being on some other level that we haven't played on is ludicrous.

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Man, that 63rd ranked strength of schedule sure is impressive and intimidating.
 
#70
#70
Ankle Breaker said:
^^^Sorry if the truth hurts. You're not playing Bama or San Diego State or Ohio U or the Gamecocks. These guys are a little better shooters than about anyone you've faced. Even the mighty UK Wildcats do most of their damage in the paint.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, Ohio State could go cold like they did against North Carolina early on and miss everything. That happens.
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OSU can shoot the 3 there is no doubting that, but we've played Kansas, who we held to 25% from 3, and Ohio killed GTown from 3 and the Vols shut them down as well. I understand OSU could go off from 3 against UT, but the Vols have faced competition comparable if not better than OSU from the arc and did well. This is the 2nd time you've acted like OSU is an elite 3 point shooting team that Tennessee hasn't come close to facing all year and I just don't get it.
 
#71
#71
Ankle Breaker said:
^^^Sorry if the truth hurts. You're not playing Bama or San Diego State or Ohio U or the Gamecocks. These guys are a little better shooters than about anyone you've faced. Even the mighty UK Wildcats do most of their damage in the paint.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, Ohio State could go cold like they did against North Carolina early on and miss everything. That happens.
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You should probably start wondering what you're gonna do to stop the Vols. I don't think you'll be able to.
 
#72
#72
Unimane said:
Anyway, the lesson I learned with one-man teams that day was to stop the "helpers". Turner can get 38 for all I care. What the others do around him will determine the game.
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THIS I agree with. Hell, I'd almost put McBee on Turner just to shut down Lighty, Buford, and Diebler. OK, I'm not that drunk yet. Now how to deal with Lighty and Buford? Good luck. Both are more versatile and harder to 'scheme'. But let's focus on Diebler.

Hopson (or dare I say it, Steven Pearl) can guard Diebler. Just don't leave him to help. From an OH newspaper:
"The 6-foot-6 junior doesn't rebound, get many assists, play great defense, get to the free-throw line.

Diebler shoots 3s, and he's good at it.

Diebler's job is to stand at the arc and wait for Turner, David Lighty or William Buford to find him. He averages about two 2-point shots per game and 82 percent of his field-goal attempts come from 3-point range."

He's also very, very streaky. If you leave him alone, he'll eat your lunch. That's one gone.
 
#73
#73
LawVol

I agree that both Kansas and Kentucky are probably better than Ohio State. Hence the reason for me seeing this game as a 50-50 tossup. But neither UK nor KU is known as a prolific 3 point shooting team. To my knowledge, both of them are far more dangerous than OSU INSIDE the paint.

So far as Ohio State's schedule is concerned. It is dragged down by all the patsies that are played in November and December. I wish they wouldn't do that but they do every year. I commend Bruce Pearl for his schduling tough non-conference games. It has nothing to do with the SEC being a stronger basketball conference than the Big 10 because it simply isn't. The tough schedule is a big reason the Vols are in the Sweet
16.

But don't try to compare Ohio State to Ohio U. Please. The Bobcats finished 9th in the Mid American Conference. They should be a little easier to defend than the Buckeyes, don't ya think? The entire team had a career night against an over-confident, underprepared Georgetown bunch.

Tennessee athleticism is a big reason this game could go either way.
 
#74
#74
Ankle Breaker said:
LawVol

I agree that both Kansas and Kentucky are probably better than Ohio State. Hence the reason for me seeing this game as a 50-50 tossup. But neither UK nor KU is known as a prolific 3 point shooting team. To my knowledge, both of them are far more dangerous than OSU INSIDE the paint.
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Kansas shot 41% from three this year... good for 5th best in the country. Ohio State shot 38% which is good enough for being tied with Memphis for 28th best.

We held KU to 7-27 (25%) when we met head-to-head. UT has one of the best perimeter defenses in the country. Our guards are athletic, very long and they almost always get a hand in the face of a shooter.
 
#75
#75
Well, I stand corrected about Kansas. I did not know that. So I guess this is further reason to believe that this game will be a tossup.
 
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