Josh Smith review?

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VFL-82-JP said:
I agree this seems to open a bit of a Pandora's Box for college football review.

If the officials can review a play from two snaps ago, what about from three snaps ago? Or four? What if the ensuing plays involve a score, or a change of possession?

Will coaches be able to call timeout three plays later to use their challenge?

Don't get me wrong; I think the final call was correct. Josh did get a little bit too much help from the ground corralling that ball. But that's beside the point.

Real Pandora's Box opened tonight, it sure seems. Not sure the officials would want to do that, in retrospect.
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Agree on this. There are large number of what-ifs, including injury. Second, the targeting call was difficult to accept. It will be interesting to see if this is the 'standard' for the season. Third, the TD catch looked secure, but the long J Smith did not.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
FYP. I didn't hear a whistle
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Not only that but we ran the next play, and were lining up to run another before just out of the blue they decided to see the replay. I don't believe for a second that the replay had been asked for prior to our running the play, otherwise we'd have heard whistles and seen officials waving arms and running in toward the los, and none of that happened.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I agree this seems to open a bit of a Pandora's Box for college football review.

If the officials can review a play from two snaps ago, what about from three snaps ago? Or four? What if the ensuing plays involve a score, or a change of possession?

Will coaches be able to call timeout three plays later to use their challenge?

Don't get me wrong; I think the final call was correct. Josh did get a little bit too much help from the ground corralling that ball. But that's beside the point.

Real Pandora's Box opened tonight, it sure seems. Not sure the officials would want to do that, in retrospect.
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This is 100% JP. While the correct call was ultimately made regarding Josh's non catch, the review never should've been allowed.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
The ball clearly hit the ground first. I noticed it on the initial play in real time. The refs got it right and did what they should have done in reviewing it. UT tried to hurry up to prevent a review but the refs had already signaled for a review.
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The ball did hit the ground and was ruled correctly IMO but no one saw any official step in to stop the following snap or even attempt to stop the snap. To say definitively that the refs had already signaled for a review is pushing it.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
The ball clearly hit the ground first. I noticed it on the initial play in real time. The refs got it right and did what they should have done in reviewing it. UT tried to hurry up to prevent a review but the refs had already signaled for a review.
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I saw it in real time. It wasn't hard to see. And the replay validated what I saw. Case closed. Fairness prevailed. You'd be complaining if AS dropped the pass and the refs didn't reverse the completed call.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
UGADawg4Life said:
The ball clearly hit the ground first. I noticed it on the initial play in real time. The refs got it right and did what they should have done in reviewing it. UT tried to hurry up to prevent a review but the refs had already signaled for a review.
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I saw it in real time. It wasn't hard to see. And the replay validated what I saw. Case closed. Fairness prevailed. You'd be complaining if AS dropped the pass and the refs didn't reverse the completed call.
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*watches a bulldog quoting and talking to itself*
 
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Orange Alert said:
The ball did hit the ground and was ruled correctly IMO but no one saw any official step in to stop the following snap or even attempt to stop the snap. To say definitively that the refs had already signaled for a review is pushing it.
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So you're saying that a team with a hurry up offense should never have a play reviewed because they get a play off before the refs make a determinazation to look at the previous play? Wouldn't be very fair to teams that don't run a hurry up. The refs got it right and fairness prevails. Let it go.
 
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A lot this new catch rules would go away if when we hurry up to line to run next play we have a play ready and not take 10 seconds to snap ball, if that happened thurs night the buzzer to stop play wouldn't of been in time. If the buzzer as they call it just barely beat the snap, snap it faster
 
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Bama fans (I mean SEC officials) in Birmingham made the decision and you need to live with it. Just like you need to live with the Preston Williams no-catch review call.
 
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The solution is simple. If there's even the slightest question whether or not to play could potentially be reviewed then simply have the official stand over the ball until a decision is finalized. At which point play can be stopped and the play can be reviewed or the ref can step aside and let play resume once a decision to review/not review has been made.

Know what you don't do is let the team lineup, have another big play, then stop it a good 25 seconds too late.

And for the record… I can only speak for myself, but I would be saying the exact same thing if the roles were reversed. I may not be nearly as upset over it, but would still be saying the same thing.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The solution is simple. If there's even the slightest question whether or not to play could potentially be reviewed then simply have the official stand over the ball until a decision is finalized. At which point play can be stopped and the play can be reviewed or the ref can step aside and let play resume once a decision to review/not review has been made.

Know what you don't do is let the team lineup, have another big play, then stop it a good 25 seconds too late.

And for the record… I can only speak for myself, but I would be saying the exact same thing if the roles were reversed. I may not be nearly as upset over it, but would still be saying the same thing.
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Amen, brother. It's a Pandora's Box, regardless of what teams were playing when it happened.

The officials spot the ball, they are literally right there when it gets put at the new spot. It's not like they have to outrace the offensive team down to the new LoS. They can stand over it if there's any question at all from the review box.

What we saw the other night was a very bad job of the review officials communicating with the officiating crew on the field. No two ways about it.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
I saw it in real time. It wasn't hard to see. And the replay validated what I saw. Case closed. Fairness prevailed. You'd be complaining if AS dropped the pass and the refs didn't reverse the completed call.
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BS about seeing it in real time, no credibility after that claim
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
I believe the call for the review came down right before we snapped the ball.
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Oh I am "sure" it did..

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UGADawg4Life said:
So you're saying that a team with a hurry up offense should never have a play reviewed because they get a play off before the refs make a determinazation to look at the previous play? Wouldn't be very fair to teams that don't run a hurry up. The refs got it right and fairness prevails. Let it go.
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Please show me where I said a team that runs a hurry up offense should never have a play reviewed.

Everyone knows the rules, especially the refs. If you want to review a play stop the next one from occurring.
 
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Well, it was a UT game, so the refs had to REAM us at least once! Its an SEC rule now! :blink:





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Chilmonty said:
Well, it was a UT game, so the refs had to REAM us at least once! Its an SEC rule now! :blink:





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Yeah we had real momentum and then after the reversal Dobbs throws a interception. Which he would not have thrown usurp the reversal. We were in FG position and probably would have scored. Every time we got MO going, a referee or a cramp, cramped out MOJO.
 
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Orange Alert said:
Please show me where I said a team that runs a hurry up offense should never have a play reviewed.

Everyone knows the rules, especially the refs. If you want to review a play stop the next one from occurring.
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How do you know they didn't?
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
How do you know they didn't?
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First of all they set the ball ready for play after Josh's catch/no catch

We snapped the ball and handed it off to Hurd. He was tackled then the whistle blew and the ref signaled he was down and marked the spot and placed the ball.

Even the down marker was changed to represent the new down and distance.

We were getting ready to line up again to run another play when the head referree inturrupted play. Only then did he inform us that the catch was under review, the problem being that there had just been a play ran with no indication of stoppage of play for a review.

While I may agree that the play should have been revised the timing of the review was aggressous. At that point another play had been ran. The review came from "upstairs" but it was was too late. The obvious problem being: when is appropriate to go back and correct a call? Why not two or three plays later? If they clearly made a mistake on a call on the field why not review it even after three plays have been run to "get it right?" It begins to sound ridiculous. Terrible officiating.

The general rule should be once another play has been run the play in question is Unreviewable.
 
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I also might add that at no point in any of this was there any indication from the head ref that the play was in question. And nooooo whistle was blown before the next play was ran. I would know because I was there. You obviously weren't.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
How do you know they didn't?
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So, now that you finally caught on that it's not being debated to wether or not Smith caught the ball, it's all about stopping to review a play after another play has been ran since the play in question.

Refs either buzzed down to review the play before the next play was ran which is legit or they buzzed after the next play was underway which is against the rules as I understand them.

1st off, in all the years I've watched/played football any team that has a questionable play they always hurry up to the line and run a quick play, usually just an off tackle play to avoid the review. All teams practice this and do this in games including Georgia. I'd bet theres been several times in the history of the muts that snapping the ball before a play could be reviewed and overturned has aided in winning a game for y'all. Not something sneaky these new fangled uptempo teams are doing.

Can't prove when the signal came in for the review so there's no way you know that it did beat our snap and no way that I know it didn't. All we can go on is the timing of when they blew the whistle and stopped the field of play which was waaaaaaay after the catch/no catch play.

We had already ran up to the line, the ref spotted the ball, MOVED OUT OF THE WAY AND SIGNALED GAME ON, and we ran the next play, then a few moments later as our guys were headed back to line up for yet another play THEN the refs blew dead ball for review.

So if the rules are that stoppage has to take place prior to another play being ran do you think the ref's were just that slow and out of sorts that it took that long or would you think the signal most likely came AFTER the next play had already been underway?
 
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