Josh Malone Got Bad Advice

[Vol Kilmer]

Josh would likely have caught 70+ balls for 1200+yds and 15TDs as a Senior. First round or second next year versus prolly fourth this year. That's just dumb.

 

[BearCat204]

Josh would likely have caught 70+ balls for 1200+yds and 15TDs as a Senior. First round or second next year versus prolly fourth this year. That's just dumb.

Have you seen the WR talent coming out next year? And likely would have caught 70+ balls for 1200+ yards and 15TDs? Based on what????

 

[jakez4ut]

The money that a 4th or 5th round draft pick makes is not great. Especially since they have this new rookie scale. They don't get much guaranteed money. It would e been a gamble but by far his best bet was to work hard, come back for his final season and hope that a new qb can get the down the field passing game going.
I posted on here at the time that he was a 4.5is receiver that's had just 1 decent year. So so dumb that he decided to go

he gets drafted and flames out after year one, worst case, he's still got six figures in the bank to start his life.

if he's smart with it, could still be the best decision he ever made.

 

[jakez4ut]

Josh would likely have caught 70+ balls for 1200+yds and 15TDs as a Senior. First round or second next year versus prolly fourth this year. That's just dumb.

it's not a known that he'd be a 1st or 2nd rounder next year.

 

[GAVol]

Making $465k for a few years is much different than signing a multi-million dollar contract. Most athletes aren't great at managing their money, either, so that's not nearly enough to take care of you for life.

Of course not, but people act as if getting picked outside the first 3 rounds is a death sentence or something. Only way it becomes a bad move is if he goes underrated and ends up fighting to be on somebody's practice squad.

I'm sure he took a look at the QB situation and figure it was time for him to roll the dice.

 

[1982Alum]

I didn't realize that retired football players were disqualified from getting jobs after their NFL careers. That's interesting.

I didn't realize that retired NFL players just got handed six figure jobs for the rest of their life either. Most people need skills and education but those pesky NFL players just walk on water I guess. Lucky dogs.

 

[jakez4ut]

Of course not, but people act as if getting picked outside the first 3 rounds is a death sentence or something. Only way it becomes a bad move is if he goes underrated and ends up fighting to be on somebody's practice squad.

I'm sure he took a look at the QB situation and figure it was time for him to roll the dice.

well, he basically said as much at the combine iirc...

 

[CABVOL]

Another year of Butchball wasn't going to make Malone a first round pick. He made the right decision.

Probably should have transferred to FAU, huh?

 

[tbones0711]

Seems to be the going trend, unfortunately. Jr's leaving early; wanna get paid.

it's trending and so is transferring schools for more playing time. there is some negativity in lots of these cases but i don't fault malone for his decision. he's a sleeper pick and needs a year to adjust to the league. he'll represent the big orange quite well in the pros,imho.

 

[HoptownVol]

Looks like Dobbs and Kamara will go in 2nd.
Nobody predicting Malone in 2nd at any time in the process.
Is there any doubt that he'd have moved way up with another season? Particularly with JJ on the other side?
Malone is a bona fide 5*.
Looks like he got some bad advice.

Malone actually said he wasn't going to stick around to catch passes from these new QBs, or something to that effect. He was never going higher than the 3rd.

 

[utvols74]

Let's see....staying in a dorm and eating cafeteria food and wearing UT athletic gear and being checked up on for not attending Astronomy 101....

or

Staying in a downtown condo, driving a new car, wearing new clothes, attracting chicks from every direction and making momma even prouder....

Humm.....wonder what I would have done were I 20 years old....?

 

[Jax_Vol]

Dobbs not going in the second round. He is a late round pick at best.

I predict Steelers in the 6th round.

AK should go sometime today.

 

[Remy]

The problem is, he's got 100k living in LA. But still, what % of his graduating class is gonna make 100k+ working 2-3 days a week their first year out of college. Virtually none. He'll never make millions playing football, but as you said, not a bad start.

KB, you are not firing on the brain cells I often give you credit for if you actually believe a professional football player only works 2 or 3 days per week. These days it is year 'round working out and following nutrition oplans.

GAVol, divide $465,000 by 30 years and the "money" doesn't look that good I would submit. That's IF you draw a full year's pay, much of that first year's money is not guaranteed for late 2nd and later rounders as many do not last a full year due to injuries and roster changes.

 

[jakez4ut]

KB, you are not firing on the brain cells I often give you credit for if you actually believe a professional football player only works 2 or 3 days per week. These days it is year 'round working out and following nutrition oplans.

GAVol, divide $465,000 by 30 years and the "money" doesn't look that good I would submit. That's IF you draw a full year's pay, much of that first year's money is not guaranteed for late 2nd and later rounders as many do not last a full year due to injuries and roster changes.

if he's only working 2-3 days a week, in the NFL, that'll take care of itself.

and it's not the 465k/30, as much as it could be 465k * x% * 30 if he is smart with his money.

get a good financial planner, make that 465k earn over 30 years, and you'll be fine.

 

[GAVol]

GAVol, divide $465,000 by 30 years and the "money" doesn't look that good I would submit. That's IF you draw a full year's pay, much of that first year's money is not guaranteed for late 2nd and later rounders as many do not last a full year due to injuries and roster changes.

I get all of that. I just don't see him as being a first rounder next year either, so I don't see this as all that big a risk.

 

[GAVol]

if he's only working 2-3 days a week, in the NFL, that'll take care of itself.

and it's not the 465k/30, as much as it could be 465k * x% * 30 if he is smart with his money.

get a good financial planner, make that 465k earn over 30 years, and you'll be fine.

Really wish the NFL would build in a standard annuity into all rookie contracts for precisely what you're talking about to help out guys that don't ever get pension eligible.

 

[JFBanicki]

I've seen him projected early 3rd round and no later than 5th. He's too much of a talent with one year of production to match it. Theres no way he makes it past the 4th round.

 

[jakez4ut]

Really wish the NFL would build in a standard annuity into all rookie contracts for precisely what you're talking about to help out guys that don't ever get pension eligible.

yep, i listened to Omar Gaither talking about that on the radio here, and there are programs they make available to rookies to help them see the bigger picture, but it's still left up to them for all the decisions, and unfortunately, not all of them are equipped to make those decisions.

they bring the horse to water...still up to them to drink.

 

[Section N Row 5]

KB, you are not firing on the brain cells I often give you credit for if you actually believe a professional football player only works 2 or 3 days per week. These days it is year 'round working out and following nutrition oplans.

GAVol, divide $465,000 by 30 years and the "money" doesn't look that good I would submit. That's IF you draw a full year's pay, much of that first year's money is not guaranteed for late 2nd and later rounders as many do not last a full year due to injuries and roster changes.

Money does go up each year:
The 4-year minimum base salaries for players in this year's draft are as follows: $465,000 (Year 1), $540,000 (Year 2), $615,000 (Year 3), $690,000 (Year 4).

So, If he still makes the minimum for 4 years that is 2.3mil.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Anyone else think maybe he noticed the big plays Jennings was making, and his attitude, and had some kind of fear that Jennings would overtake him as the #1 receiver on this team?

 

[jakez4ut]

Anyone else think maybe he noticed the big plays Jennings was making, and his attitude, and had some kind of fear that Jennings would overtake him as the #1 receiver on this team?

no, i don't. i think Malone held up his end of hte bargain just fine playing along with Jennings last year. if anything, it would help him, since all the attention couldn't be focused on him or Jennings singularly.

 

[KBVol]

i agree, but i'll just say this, when i was in my 20's, a long time ago, making 30-40k, i found ways to fritter that away on useless things.

the reality is that some growing up has to be done. today, i'm a lot better with my money, and how it works for me.

not so 20 years ago. oh, but if i had......

the key for these guys going in to the NFL, NBA etc...so young is to get the realization that this money you're going to earn the next 3 years could be the money that sets you up for the rest of your life, and then understand it's finite.

it's hard. you go from probably having next to nothing in some cases to having more than you could imagine, in the matter of a few months.

the NFLPA and the NFL has seminars and classes they make rookies go to that specifically go over all these scenarios, how to make decisions on who to trust, and the reality of how long that money really lasts after football.

but it's like everything else...you can take the horse to water.....

Very well said and true.

 

[jakez4ut]

Very well said and true.

thanks, and this subject is a little near and dear to me, as someone that did waste a lot of time and money early on.

a little age, some kids, a mortgage, some life experiences..tends to wise you up, if you're lucky.

it took me and my wife a little over 2 years of some pretty stringent budgeting to save enough money to build up cash reserves, just so we could start investing.

best thing we ever did mind you, but you go back and think...would 23 year old Jake have listened to 43 year old Jake? if he would, how much better off would 43 year old jake be now? then 63 year old jake could actually retire!! lol:

um....i can say, definitively, no, he would not.

point being, i think most of us get to a point in life where those things start to make sense, and you act accordingly.

these guys at 20, 21, 22 years old, and the keys to the kingdome just handed to them......they have to be equipped to think like they're 40, even in their 20's.

and they're just not, at least not most of them.

 

[KBVol]

KB, you are not firing on the brain cells I often give you credit for if you actually believe a professional football player only works 2 or 3 days per week. These days it is year 'round working out and following nutrition oplans.

GAVol, divide $465,000 by 30 years and the "money" doesn't look that good I would submit. That's IF you draw a full year's pay, much of that first year's money is not guaranteed for late 2nd and later rounders as many do not last a full year due to injuries and roster changes.

Come on Remy. Look, I know the player's work out year round, I'm not stupid. But no NFL player gets paid year round, only during the 17 weeks of the season, 17 pay checks. And if you're on the practice squad, you're "working" 2-3 days per week, I've heard this from several sources, guys who would know. So, that's what I was referencing, that's context within I made my comment.

As far as commenting further on the money conversations regarding what a player makes, their financial futures and whatnot, I think I'll refrain, seeing as how several have responded and replied to you with good information. Maybe you should consider going back to telling us how awful a football player Nick Chubb is at this point😁.

 

[smoltzie21]

Malone went against the draft advisory board, said new QB etc, the right time etc....I've been looking over the top 20-25 ranked WR's draft profiles the laat hour and Josh's combine numbers were not good at all. The only numbers that stand out are size and speed. He is 6'3 208 and he ran a 4.40 40.

NFL Draft #'s from NFL post combine profile.

Malone 6'3 208 Jr. +size
Arms 31 3/8 at 6'3 wingspan is short
Hands 9 5/8 avg hand size
40 - 4.40 +++++ 40 time
Here is were it gets ugly and shows why he needed to return and work...

Vertical 30.5 - worst VJ I saw for
25+ best WRs on board from diff sites. (Malone not listed on any of lists I used posted after 1st round).
Broad Jump - 121 low end only a 3 or 4 were lower most 124+.
Bench Press - 10 reps. Lowest of entire pool. (Not all did the BP)
3-Cone: 7.05 - not good. most in pool were 6.7 to 6.8.
20 shuttle - 4.19 high - most 4.00 - 4.10
60 shuttle - again very poor 11.77 no one in group that had 60 listed was over 11.32. Most 60 shuttles listed were 11.20 down to 11.10.

Based on comparison he has God given straight line speed, he seemed to be a very solid route runner.

His 30.5 inch vertical, avg hand and wingspan play his 6'3 size down. In comparison Josh Reynolds from A&M is 6'3 200 with only 1/8th longer wingspan and an 1/8th larger hands. His VJ is 37, broad jump 124....Reynolds ran a 4.52 40...but had a 6.83 3-cone, 4.13 20 shuttle, and 11.32 60 shuttle.
Reynolds is projected 4th or 5th round.

Throw in his 3 yrs of 52, 51, 61 catches along with 842 13TDs, 907 5TDs, and 1039 yds and 12 TDs.....

I love Malone and how he stepped up this yr and thought he would be a 3rd-5th rounder.

Reynolds is just one example

Hope I'm wrong but I think he is looking at a 6th or 7th rounder or UDFA.

Hope he has worked on conditioning and agility and it pays off for him.

He had a 5.25 grade by NFL.com