Josh Dobbs rising NFL draft stock

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

That's great. 83 passing yards is a problem. I'm not bias against him, I think he could be a great college player if he had better coaching. That doesn't translate directly to the NFL.

I like Dobbs, he seems like a great kid but this assertion that he is anything but underwhelming as a passer is just silly.

He only had 17 attempts that game. The problem against Florida was coaching. It wasn't Josh throwing inaccurate passes all over the place.

If there was any game where Josh's poor passing cost us the game, it was Arkansas not Florida.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Missouri was bad, Vanderbilt was bad. He's had more games like that.

The o-line is bad. When he's gotten time to throw he's been accurate.

Like I've been saying. I have not seen this inaccurate thrower that consistently misses open guys. Not saying Dobbs is perfect. But I don't see this liability to the passing game some of you claim he is.

I see a guy who is doing the most he can with very little protection.

 

[whobethis16]

The o-line is bad. When he's gotten time to throw he's been accurate.

Like I've been saying. I have not seen this inaccurate thrower that consistently misses open guys. Not saying Dobbs is perfect. But I don't see this liability to the passing game some of you claim he is.

I see a guy who is doing the most he can with very little protection.

You must blink a lot. I'm not as generous with my assessment as the other guy was the other day, but his throw to Smith was high and behind him, the first touchdown to Kamara was behind him, the throw on the pump fake up the sideline was on the wrong shoulder. All of these were inaccurate throws that the receivers saved his ass on. He missed a few others that weren't even close. His pick was in traffic that shouldn't have been thrown. He was more lucky than good against Georgia passing the ball.

 

[QuickSmurf]

You must blink a lot. I'm not as generous with my assessment as the other guy was the other day, but his throw to Smith was high and behind him, the first touchdown to Kamara was behind him, the throw on the pump fake up the sideline was on the wrong shoulder. All of these were inaccurate throws that the receivers saved his ass on. He missed a few others that weren't even close. His pick was in traffic that shouldn't have been thrown. He was more lucky than good against Georgia passing the ball.

He has made a lot of passes that were able to be caught. He puts the ball where only the receiver can make a play. But continue by all means. Don't let reality stop you. What an bone headed comment that receivers are saving his ass. Having 300 yds passing with 100 yds rushing isn't luck.

 

[whobethis16]

He has made a lot of passes that were able to be caught. He puts the ball where only the receiver can make a play. But continue by all means. Don't let reality stop you. What an bone headed comment that receivers are saving his ass. Having 300 yds passing with 100 yds rushing isn't luck.

When people say that, they don't mean making your receiver contort his body and spin around to make the play, which is exactly what Wolf and Smith did. The one to Kamara wasn't as bad, except he was wide open Dobbs still couldn't lead him. But keep your head on Dobbs' hind.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You must blink a lot. I'm not as generous with my assessment as the other guy was the other day, but his throw to Smith was high and behind him, the first touchdown to Kamara was behind him, the throw on the pump fake up the sideline was on the wrong shoulder. All of these were inaccurate throws that the receivers saved his ass on. He missed a few others that weren't even close. His pick was in traffic that shouldn't have been thrown. He was more lucky than good against Georgia passing the ball.

Everything you said is true. But that's only 4-5 completions you've decided to pick on. Why not analyze everyone of Josh's throws with that level of meticulousness?

For example, what about that perfect pass to Ethan Wolf in the back of the endzone that shoulda been caught? What about the perfect pass to Jauan Jennings in the endzone that was down and away that was dropped? What about the perfect back to the shoulder pass to Preston Williams in the 2nd half that resulted in a huge gain? What about the great pass to Preston in the 4th on the final TD drive that was dropped? What about the 2 perfect passes to Ethan Wolf and Alex Ellis on the final scoring drive?

You see, 2 can play the game. I watch every game at least 3 times. I've watched every throw Josh has made this year multiple times. My point is simple. For all the bad you can cite about Josh's passing ability, I can make a list of positive throws that is longer.

Josh needs to be more consistent. I'll agree with that criticism. But to claim he is INCAPABLE of being an accurate passing QB is false. I've seen him make too many great passes to buy into this narrative of him being incapable of throwing the ball accurately.

 

[LittleDTO]

Everything you said is true. But that's only 4-5 completions you've decided to pick on. Why not analyze everyone of Josh's throws with that level of meticulousness?

For example, what about that perfect pass to Ethan Wolf in the back of the endzone that shoulda been caught? What about the perfect pass to Jauan Jennings in the endzone that was down and away that was dropped? What about the perfect back to the shoulder pass to Preston Williams in the 2nd half that resulted in a huge gain? What about the great pass to Preston in the 4th on the final TD drive that was dropped? What about the 2 perfect passes to Ethan Wolf and Alex Ellis on the final scoring drive?

You see, 2 can play the game. I watch every game at least 3 times. I've watched every throw Josh has made this year multiple times. My point is simple. For all the bad you can cite about Josh's passing ability, I can make a list of positive throws that is longer.

Josh needs to be more consistent. I'll agree with that criticism. But to claim he is INCAPABLE of being an accurate passing QB is false. I've seen him make too many great passes to buy into this narrative of him being incapable of throwing the ball accurately.

You have watched every game at LEAST 3 times? Sorry man. I'm calling BS.

 

[emainvol]

So Josh Dobbs is accurate, just inconsistently so?

I believe that is called being inaccurate.

And I am a huge Dobbs fan

 

[whobethis16]

Everything you said is true. But that's only 4-5 completions you've decided to pick on. Why not analyze everyone of Josh's throws with that level of meticulousness?

For example, what about that perfect pass to Ethan Wolf in the back of the endzone that shoulda been caught? What about the perfect pass to Jauan Jennings in the endzone that was down and away that was dropped? What about the perfect back to the shoulder pass to Preston Williams in the 2nd half that resulted in a huge gain? What about the great pass to Preston in the 4th on the final TD drive that was dropped? What about the 2 perfect passes to Ethan Wolf and Alex Ellis on the final scoring drive?

You see, 2 can play the game. I watch every game at least 3 times. I've watched every throw Josh has made this year multiple times. My point is simple. For all the bad you can cite about Josh's passing ability, I can make a list of positive throws that is longer.

Josh needs to be more consistent. I'll agree with that criticism. But to claim he is INCAPABLE of being an accurate passing QB is false. I've seen him make too many great passes to buy into this narrative of him being incapable of throwing the ball accurately.

Notice I only picked the bad throws that his receivers helped him. I did not mention his actual incompletions. I'll admit one of those throws you mentioned should've been caught, but the other the receiver was fully extended and the ball hit his fingertips. That means Dobbs lead him too much, which means not accurate.

I know the receivers don't always help him, but he doesn't help them either.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You have watched every game at LEAST 3 times? Sorry man. I'm calling BS.

My bad. I only watched Western Carolina twice.

I take my player analysis seriously. It's because I watch the games multiple times that I'm able to separate the emotion of the game while its live from the analysis watching it after the fact. It's the main reason I'm not as critical about Josh as you guys.

For example, after the Oklahoma game I was critical of Josh. I was very disappointed in his performance when I watched it live. But that's mainly because when watching the game live you're living on every play through the QB. You don't look at what everyone else is doing. 13-31. No big plays. I was disgusted in Dobbs performance.

After watching the game again twice, I changed my opinion. Most of Josh's incompletions were balls thrown away because of pressure or screen passes that the defense sniffed out. The futility of the passing game against Oklahoma was on DeBord and the o-line.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'll never forgive him for the last two games against Florida and the debacle against Oklahoma.

Coaching malpractice to the tenth power.

I'm not sure he could have done a better job blowing the Florida game if he tried to lose on purpose.

 

[GahLee]

You watch every game 3 times and still can't see the obvious. That's amazing.

 

[tvolsfan]

If Dobbs has an NFL arm, it's not the one he's throwing with.

 

[volinthenorth]

What have I said that was negative? You seem to be pretty sensitive.

He posted an article by a guy saying he thought Dobbs would get drafted. (I didn't even disagree with that)

I stated I thought he wouldn't be an NFL QB and gave my reasons why I thought that.

You preceded to get your panties in a bunch and make it about race when it has literally nothing to do with anything.

Volfan you are right. K Town King is too sensitive and playing the race card is lame. If somebody says something about Dobbs on here and you want to counteract it with good arguments, that is not "hate." You made some good points about his abilities, which has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. Everybody likes Dobbs personally, but it is debatable whether he will go pro or not. That is what this board is for ... debating athletic merits, not making unfair accusations of racism. Keep it about sports, not skin color.

 

[LittleDTO]

My bad. I only watched Western Carolina twice.

I take my player analysis seriously. It's because I watch the games multiple times that I'm able to separate the emotion of the game while its live from the analysis watching it after the fact. It's the main reason I'm not as critical about Josh as you guys.

For example, after the Oklahoma game I was critical of Josh. I was very disappointed in his performance when I watched it live. But that's mainly because when watching the game live you're living on every play through the QB. You don't look at what everyone else is doing. 13-31. No big plays. I was disgusted in Dobbs performance.

After watching the game again twice, I changed my opinion. Most of Josh's incompletions were balls thrown away because of pressure or screen passes that the defense sniffed out. The futility of the passing game against Oklahoma was on DeBord and the o-line.

If you have the time each week, to watch the vols game 3 times and break it down on time 2 and 3, you literally would have no life.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If you have the time each week, to watch the vols game 3 times and break it down on time 2 and 3, you literally would have no life.

I don't. 😀

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

He's got good size (6'3") for the position. He has an NFL caliber arm. Great pocket awareness to avoid sacks. Once in the open field he can run by LBs or run over DBs. He has the intelligence to master a playbook and go through progressions.

All Josh lacks right now is CONSISTENCY and EXPERIENCE. He's had moments he's looked like a 1st round pick. He just needs to do it more consistently

Why would you say he has an NFL caliber arm? His arm strength and inability to push the ball down field are pretty much the biggest knocks against him. Say what you will about our OL, but a QB with an NFL caliber arm would have dropped a few dimes deep down the field 15 starts into his career.

As for running by LBs and through DBs, he's great at that in college ball. It's part the reason I love watching him and think he should be our starter. But he is not going to do that in the NFL. Much faster QBs have been unable to do that. His running ability is going to be of much less value in the NFL. And that's his strongest suit as a college QB. So yeah, that could be a problem for his draft stock.

 

[jps2194]

I definitely would like him to get drafted and play in the NFL. However, I honestly don't see it happening unless he drastically improves his accuracy and touch. I think most on here agree his biggest strength is his running ability and gamesmanship. The only team I see that would place a high value on that and overlook his passing issues is Philly. I doubt Chip Kelly will still be around by the time Dobbs enters the draft. He may go the free agent route thought.

Of course anything is possible and he could improve a lot next year too which could change my opinion. But today I don't see it IMO.

 

[mudhen]

You realize Tebow was drafted in the first round, right?

Yeah, well, how'd that work out for Tim?

 

[LittleDTO]

I'll set up a pay pall account and let's have a friendly bet on whether Dobbs is drafted.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Why would you say he has an NFL caliber arm? His arm strength and inability to push the ball down field are pretty much the biggest knocks against him. Say what you will about our OL, but a QB with an NFL caliber arm would have dropped a few dimes deep down the field 15 starts into his career.

As for running by LBs and through DBs, he's great at that in college ball. It's part the reason I love watching him and think he should be our starter. But he is not going to do that in the NFL. Much faster QBs have been unable to do that. His running ability is going to be of much less value in the NFL. And that's his strongest suit as a college QB. So yeah, that could be a problem for his draft stock.

Disagree on the arm strength part. His arm is plenty strong. We just don't throw it deep very often because the o-line can't hold blocks that long.

Remember when Josh overthrew Preston on that deep ball week 1 against bowling green? Showed plenty there. I've yet to see Josh underthrow guys.

 

[butchna]

I'll set up a pay pall account and let's have a friendly bet on whether Dobbs is drafted.

In seven rounds? Dumb bet. He's a good athlete...somebody could take a flyer on that alone, even if he doesn't progress.

 

[GahLee]

Disagree on the arm strength part. His arm is plenty strong. We just don't throw it deep very often because the o-line can't hold blocks that long.

Remember when Josh overthrew Preston on that deep ball week 1 against bowling green? Showed plenty there. I've yet to see Josh underthrow guys.

You have a terrible memory then.

 

[GahLee]

In seven rounds? Dumb bet. He's a good athlete...somebody could take a flyer in that alone, even if he doesn't progress.

Yeah, I wouldn't make that bet.

 

[QuickSmurf]

Yeah, I wouldn't make that bet.

He has around 18 more games to play. Another year to get bigger and stronger. This will be his first complete season as the starting QB. I wouldn't bet against Josh getting better by next year and if he chooses to get into the combine, someone giving him a chance in the league. He has a lot of upside. I wonder why so many want to down play all the things that he does do well.