Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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Darth_Shiveman said:
1. Lol.

2. All it takes is one hit. And since Cunningham's time, the NFL has moved from bigger, sometimes plodding LBs to guys who are much faster than what Dobbs faced in college. He'll get hit eventually. He's not built to take the hits it takes a rusher to hit 1000 yards in the NFL.

3. If somehow was running enough to get that many yards, it will be because he's not passing well enough to hit the 4000 passing yards you projected. Put down the PS4 controller and go back and look at the best dual threat years QBs have had in the NFL. None of them have been all that close to 4000/1000 yards.

Even Cunningham's great rushing year left him 500+ yards away from the 4000 yard passing mark. More recent guys like Cam and Russel Wilson have gotten within a couple hundred yards of one or the other, but were still ~500 yards off that mark. And both of those guys are faster than Dobbs.



I get that throwing outrageous stats at the wall, changing them once you've seen how unreasonable they are, then claiming you were right all along is kind of your thing, but it's especially outrageous here. It's unlikely we see a QB hit that mark anytime soon, if ever.

There are guys playing who might be capable of it, in the right circumstances. However, most of them mean far too much to their team and franchise to be used as anything more than a compliment in the running game. For every QB like Cunningham, Cam Newton, or Russell Wilson we've seen have what it takes to get 600+ rushing yards in a season, there's been multiple guys like RG3 or Jake Locker who get the piss knocked out of them and go down for a season because they think they can run like they did in college.
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We'll see. 3500/1000 is probably more likely but with how easy it's become to pass in the NFL I could see Dobbs hitting 4000 passing yards with relative ease.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
We'll see. 3500/1000 is probably more likely but with how easy it's become to pass in the NFL I could see Dobbs hitting 4000 passing yards with relative ease.
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Lol already backtracking.

5 years from now if he hits 3400/700 you'll be talking about how accurate all of your predictions were and saying your predictions didn't come true because his coach/OL/WRs are so bad and holding him back.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs is the most elusive runner to enter the NFL since Randall Cunningham. He rarely takes a big hit and just knows how to avoid contact.

Randall Cunningham ran for 900 yards one year. With the read option being more prominent now, I think Dobbs can hit 1000 yards.

He'll be a phenomenon the league has not seen since Randall.
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Since Randall Cunningham? Lol. Ever heard of Michael Vick son? Dear God.
 
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#204
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Lol already backtracking.

5 years from now if he hits 3400/700 you'll be talking about how accurate all of your predictions were and saying your predictions didn't come true because his coach/OL/WRs are so bad and holding him back.
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It's what he does. Not only does he backtrack, but he hedges by giving multiple predictions, that way he can go back and reference whichever one gets closer to the actual number. He's as transparent as he can be. Just ridiculous
 
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KBVol said:
Since Randall Cunningham? Lol. Ever heard of Michael Vick son? Dear God.
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Vick was more of a burner than elusive. He just ran by everyone. Dobbs shares Cunningham's gift of having tacklers just bounce off him or miss him completely. Its a very unique running style.
 
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butchna said:
Having a team work you out before the draft is hardly that. Has Bray MADE IT in the NFL? At least Dobbs is likely to be drafted...ups the odds.
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It's subjective of course...

But Bray has been on a roster for 5 years and is on his second contract I do believe

That is making it in my book
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Vick was more of a burner than elusive. He just ran by everyone. Dobbs shares Cunningham's gift of having tacklers just bounce off him or miss him completely. Its a very unique running style.
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Further discrediting yourself. Nobody could catch and tackle Vick, couldn't get a hand on him, much less bring him down. He was the definition of elusive.

Also, news flash, Josh won't have near the success "bouncing off" NFL defenders like he did at Tennessee. Ain't happening buddy. If he's gonna find his place in the NFL, it'll be because he got better from the pocket throwing into tight windows, not because he made like Earl Campbell and made NFL defenders "bounce off" him.
 
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
Also, a good point. Why D4H doesn't compare Dobbs to vick instead is a head scratcher. BC he's left handed? The dog fighting scandal?
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Vick was able to do so much carnage because he stretched a defense vertically so he usually had a free 10-20 yards on the ground.
 
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
Also, a good point. Why D4H doesn't compare Dobbs to vick instead is a head scratcher. BC he's left handed? The dog fighting scandal?
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Eh, RC is actually a better comparison. Neither Dobbs nor RC had near the raw speed of Vick. Where D4H fails is downplaying Vick's elusiveness because of the speed...Vick had both in ample supply.
 
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
I don't think you saw Vick play...
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Actually I did. I guess I should have used another word than elusive cause yall are right, by the definition of the word, Vick was incredibly elusive.

I guess what I meant was Cunningham had the ability to make pass rushers miss in almost impossible situations. Like that historic play against Bruce Smith. I see Dobbs being that type of player. A guy who will have a penchant to make impossible plays like Cunningham. Its not so much elusive as it is being able to just shrug off defenders when it looks like they have you.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Actually I did. I guess I should have used another word than elusive cause yall are right, by the definition of the word, Vick was incredibly elusive.

I guess what I meant was Cunningham had the ability to make pass rushers miss in almost impossible situations. Like that historic play against Bruce Smith. I see Dobbs being that type of player. A guy who will have a penchant to make impossible plays like Cunningham. Its not so much elusive as it is being able to just shrug off defenders when it looks like they have you.
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The word I've often used with Dobbs is "slippery", which I think better suits his elusiveness vs Vick. I think that's closer to what you're describing.
 
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Burger said:
Completely depends on where the noseguard is located. If the noseguard is between the center and I, we would double team the noseguard then one of us would try to get to a line backer, usually the guard tries.

From the right guards perspective, the first step would be a small lateral towards the flow of the play because you don't want your guys to run into each other. Then it would be to make a double team with the center or tackle. Keep in mind that the back side end is unlocked by nature or chipped by the TE. After the double team, the guard usually goes and kills a line backer unless they are double teaming with a tackle, which the tackle goes and kills a line backer.

Summary

1) Lateral step towards flow of the run
2) Upfield to engage in a double team
3) Split off to go kill a linebacker

During the lateral step, more nimble linemen can lay down a cut block to let the guard be able to release Upfield quicker. Cut Blocks are almost always involved in a zone scheme.

Now for pass blocking, You would go into a pass pro step kinda seeing who's going to go into your gaps. Perfect example is the Packers during stunts.
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This is great stuff.. I should of been more specific though... I understand the steps (usually different based on what technique is used by the DT's and DE's... A couple more questions... I have studied Alex Gibbs Wide Zone aka Outside Zone... he always cuts the backside to provide that crease in the end zone unless he gets a wide 9 then the BST would scif and wall the LB backside...

But what about hands... he has a technique that they have a grab hand that goes to the outside armpit and a club hand that will club the ribs of the DL on the inside...?
So what did you do in Zone?

Also BIG QUESTION how did you block Outside Zone to the Weakside like this...
3-4 with Will overhang Zone to weakside
Aim
Point for the back is off of the butt of imaginary TE....

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----C--------SS----------M----B--------------------C--------------------W--E----T---E--S-------------------
---------------------O-O-[_]O-O-Y
----X----------------------Q-------------H-----------Z
_________________R(7yd Depth)

They only way I can figure is to take that H and put him at a TE off position (1yd off LOS 1yd Outside) and double with (H and PST) (PSG AND CTR) man or cut backside and search up field with Y depending on Tech of Sam...
 
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Dobbs was nearly flawless today at his pro day. Almost every pass was perfect. After such a performance, I could see him sneaking into the 2nd round now. And I would bet he definitely goes in the 3rd. Highly unlikely he makes it to day 3 after such a brilliant performance on his pro day following strong outings at the senior bowl and combine.

My new favorite landing spot for him is the Houston Texans. Their GM and a lot of the front office brass was in Knoxville to see Dobbs on pro day. I wouldn't be surprised if they targeted Dobbs with their 2nd round pick as their QB of the future.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
This is great stuff.. I should of been more specific though... I understand the steps (usually different based on what technique is used by the DT's and DE's... A couple more questions... I have studied Alex Gibbs Wide Zone aka Outside Zone... he always cuts the backside to provide that crease in the end zone unless he gets a wide 9 then the BST would scif and wall the LB backside...

But what about hands... he has a technique that they have a grab hand that goes to the outside armpit and a club hand that will club the ribs of the DL on the inside...?
So what did you do in Zone?

Also BIG QUESTION how did you block Outside Zone to the Weakside like this...
3-4 with Will overhang Zone to weakside
Aim
Point for the back is off of the butt of imaginary TE....

----------------------------------FS

----C--------SS----------M----B--------------------C--------------------W--E----T---E--S-------------------
---------------------O-O-[_]O-O-Y
----X----------------------Q-------------H-----------Z
_________________R(7yd Depth)

They only way I can figure is to take that H and put him at a TE off position (1yd off LOS 1yd Outside) and double with (H and PST) (PSG AND CTR) man or cut backside and search up field with Y depending on Tech of Sam...
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The Zone blocking scheme was made specifically for the 3-4 scheme. You can either have your tackle/TE turn him outside which would make a hole between the tackle and the TE. That requires something called the shotput technique, where you try to violently hit the defender in the outer area of the chest to steer him outside. It's very often that the weakside linebacker would either be chipped or let go. What you have to be very careful of with Gibbs technique is holding. If you miss the outside of the arm pit to gain control, the linebacker can either spin to the inside, or there could be a flagrant hold.

In the zone scheme, there are two options for a RB as you know, to either take the primary hole which depends on the play call, or if that isn't open they could take the cut back lane. The job of the opposite linebacker is to keep contain of the cut back lane. That's what Jacques Smith was always infamous of doing is not keeping contain.

Now, if we are going outside zone, you would engage with the double team with the blocker closer to the gap does a hook block. The TE in this example would take a step outside to gain leverage to turn the defender inside. If the TE manages to do that, there would be no need for the cutback as there will be a nice gap behind the TE.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs was nearly flawless today at his pro day. Almost every pass was perfect. After such a performance, I could see him sneaking into the 2nd round now. And I would bet he definitely goes in the 3rd. Highly unlikely he makes it to day 3 after such a brilliant performance on his pro day following strong outings at the senior bowl and combine.

My new favorite landing spot for him is the Houston Texans. Their GM and a lot of the front office brass was in Knoxville to see Dobbs on pro day. I wouldn't be surprised if they targeted Dobbs with their 2nd round pick as their QB of the future.
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In a bra and panties element? I don't think it'll improve his grade as much. What a lot of the Front Offices want to see is how a QB reacts under pressure. It's actually a con for a lot of times that Dobbs' first instinct is to take off. Dormady is great with keeping his eyes down field.
 
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I don't agree that Dobbs' first instinct is to run--that is wrong. I saw him stand in the pocket and make a ton of throws under pressure last year. I think he's pretty good about knowing when to stand in the pocket and when to move.
 
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