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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Rudolph is the same age as Dobbs. They are BOTH 23 years old. One was drafted in the 3rd round. The other in the 4th round. The way you guys make it sound, Dobbs is some grizzled vet who is an undrafted player while Rudolph is some young 21 year old 1st round rookie.

These 2 are in the same position. There SHOULD be no difference in their expectations. With that said, you might be right about the Steelers favoring Rudolph more and thus giving him more leeway. However, I will be proven right in the end regardless of what the Steelers do. Mason Rudolph is a Trent Edwards/Nick Foles caliber NFL QB. He will be a backup most of his career with maybe one or two good years as a starter. Josh Dobbs is a Warren Moon/Randall Cunningham caliber NFL QB. He will be a future Hall of Famer. Whether that happens with the Steelers or another team remains to be seen.
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Dobbs is in his SECOND NFL year, not first. If he had convinced the coaching staff he was a legit NFL QB worth having on the roster, they wouldn't have drafted Rudolph and Dobbs wouldn't be having to prove himself and fight for a position at all this year. This isn't rocket science dude.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You posted a tweet from Aug 5 and all it says is he's made some nice throws. Nothing about accuracy, actual stats, nothing, which no matter how much you protest against is way more important than making some cool deep throws.

The "random blogger" post is from yesterday.

For being such a great scout, you don't seem to understand how QBs in the NFL are evaulated. Jeff George had a cannon of an arm. Guess who isn't remembered as a great QB? Jeff George.
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He doesn't know anything about QB play at all which is what makes this way funnier. Jeff George, as you mentioned, had arm talent for days but couldn't read a defense to save his soul and you can't just wiz it by DBs in the league. Dobbs doesn't have NEARLY that type of arm talent and also has never been noted for his ability to get a good pre-snap read or go through progressions. The guy has athleticism but you can't out athlete others to be a QB.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Dobbs is in his SECOND NFL year, not first. If he had convinced the coaching staff he was a legit NFL QB worth having on the roster, they wouldn't have drafted Rudolph and Dobbs wouldn't be having to prove himself and fight for a position at all this year. This isn't rocket science dude.
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You're assuming NFL coaches are actually competent when it comes to talent evaluation. How many times have we seen great players only get on the field due to guy ahead of them on the depth chart going down with injury? Then the guy who the coaches thought was a backup ends up playing much better than the starter? Look at Kurt Warner and Tom Brady. Both were slated to be backups coming out of training camp in the years they went on to win the Super Bowl as starters. Or how about the reverse. Last year the Bills coaches convinced themselves that Nathan Peterman was a better option than Tyrod Taylor based on what they saw in practice. Then a real game was played and Peterman looked like he did against Florida in 2013.

What a coaching staff thinks about players based on practice is not dispositive as to what will happen in regular season games. We've seen this time and time again. Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, and Nathan Peterman situations are just a small sample size. It happens the same way in almost every position group where injury to the starter is the only way an eventually great player got his chance in the NFL.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
How many times have we seen great players only get on the field due to guy ahead of them on the depth chart going down with injury? Then the guy who the coaches thought was a backup ends up playing much better than the starter? Look at Kurt Warner and Tom Brady.
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Looks like you answered your own question: we've seen it twice.

What a coaching staff thinks about players based on practice is not dispositive as to what will happen in regular season games.
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Actually, it generally is. Coaches are going to play the guy that looks better in practice. NFL coaches only get 16 games. They can't waste those games trying to see if the guy who looks worse in practice somehow looks better when it counts.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You're assuming NFL coaches are actually competent when it comes to talent evaluation. How many times have we seen great players only get on the field due to guy ahead of them on the depth chart going down with injury? Then the guy who the coaches thought was a backup ends up playing much better than the starter? Look at Kurt Warner and Tom Brady. Both were slated to be backups coming out of training camp in the years they went on to win the Super Bowl as starters. Or how about the reverse. Last year the Bills coaches convinced themselves that Nathan Peterman was a better option than Tyrod Taylor based on what they saw in practice. Then a real game was played and Peterman looked like he did against Florida in 2013.

What a coaching staff thinks about players based on practice is not dispositive as to what will happen in regular season games. We've seen this time and time again. Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, and Nathan Peterman situations are just a small sample size. It happens the same way in almost every position group where injury to the starter is the only way an eventually great player got his chance in the NFL.
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Oh look....Kurt Warner and Tom Brady...using the exceptions to prove the rule.....ROFL. Of course they are a small sample size genius.....because they are the exceptions. This has already been pointed out to you about 50 times, that the rule that has the actual evidence to back it up is that most of the time, coaches most certainly DO know what they are doing when it comes to talent evaluation.
 
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bamawriter said:
Looks like you answered your own question: we've seen it twice.



Actually, it generally is. Coaches are going to play the guy that looks better in practice. NFL coaches only get 16 games. They can't waste those games trying to see if the guy who looks worse in practice somehow looks better when it counts.
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I love how he says they are a small sample size when he's trotted them out every time this comes up.....because they are literally the 2 biggest examples of this and the reason they are such huge examples is because of how rare it happens.

Also I wish he'd make up his mind. One minute he's praising the Steeler coaching staff because they are a "real coaching staff" as oppposed to Butch Jones and company, then turns around and acts like if they don't make Dobbs the backup and have him starting by the end of the year that they are incompetent.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Preseason games mean NOTHING when it comes to how well someone will play in the regular season. Last year Deshaun Watson had a very unremarkable preseason and yet killed it during the regular season. Same with Kareem Hunt. We barely heard from him during the preseason then he turned into the monster the first half of the regular season. So in that context they mean nothing.

However, I do know that the preseason games will matter greatly as to Dobbs standing on the Steelers. When have I ever denied that?

My thing has always been that I know how this story ends. I may not have the journey clear, but I know how it ends. Dobbs story will end with being the GREATEST QB of all-time. Who knows how exactly that journey will go. But the ending is assured.
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Lol....another example of D4H talking out of both sides of his mouth and setting it up that he'll be right no matter what.

If Dobbs plays poorly tonight = "MEANS NOTHING!"
If Dobbs plays lights out tonight = "HE'S KILLING IT AND IS OBVIOUSLY AWESOME!"

So if you know how the story ends Professor X, then I ask again how much do you want to bet on Dobbs being the best QB of all time? Also you just lied, you said you don't know have the journey clear, but you previously said Dobbs will lead the Steelers to a championship this year. So make up your mind, do you know the journey or not?
 
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I can't get the station, but Landry Jones seems to be playing well. I am rooting for Dobbs, but it looks like he has an uphill battle with Pittsburgh.
 
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Dobbs is his own worst enemy. I hate the pads and gear he's wearing tonight. How you look impacts you play greatly. He's not looking the part in terms of pad choice.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs is his own worst enemy. I hate the pads and gear he's wearing tonight. How you look impacts you play greatly. He's not looking the part in terms of pad choice.
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He seems to be doing alright now. Passed and carried the bell well this series.
 
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Grudenator said:
Cam Sutton with an INT
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He looks much better this year than he did last year. For some reason last year he looked small on the field. This year he looks like the Cam Sutton I remember.

He's Eric Allen 2.0. Look for him to make multiple Pro Bowls for the next 15 years. He's gonna be playing in the NFL for a very long time.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Lol....what?
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A major part of my player analysis is looking the part. How you dress in sports matters. The gear you wear matters. Its why I said after his first preseason game last year that Deshaun Watson would win Rookie of the Year eventhough I wasn't high on him coming out of the draft. Its cause Deshaun was wearing great pads and a form fitting jersey that made him look CLEAN. Plus he always sorta looked the part. So it was easy to see he win for a great season.

Dobbs needs to ditch that glove. It doesn't suit him. And he needs to get pads with a breast plate that isn't as noticeable. It makes him look clunky out there on the field.

As Deion Sanders said: "If you look good, you play good."
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
A major part of my player analysis is looking the part. How you dress in sports matters. The gear you wear matters. Its why I said after his first preseason game last year that Deshaun Watson would win Rookie of the Year eventhough I wasn't high on him coming out of the draft. Its cause Deshaun was wearing great pads and a form fitting jersey that made him look CLEAN. Plus he always sorta looked the part. So it was easy to see he win for a great season.

Dobbs needs to ditch that glove. It doesn't suit him. And he needs to get pads with a breast plate that isn't as noticeable. It makes him look clunky out there on the field.

As Deion Sanders said: "If you look good, you play good."
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Yeah because Peyton had a clean athletic look about him?
 
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Dobbs is done for the game. His stats in a little less than 2 quarters

9/13 for 91 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT for a 82.5 rating
 
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The NFL is investigating after the Steelers were using a deflated football during the third quarter of Thursday night’s preseason game against the Eagles, according to Howard Eskin of WIP.

Eskin, who was working the game as the sideline reporter on the Eagles’ broadcast, said he saw the football in question and it was “like a marshmallow.”

The incident took place during the third quarter while Mason Rudolph was playing quarterback for the Steelers, according to Eskin.

Report: NFL investigating deflated football Steelers used Thursday night
 
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