Josh Dobbs (merged)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Big Ben won 2. And Dobbs is least 2x the player

I'm pretty sure after he wins the Super Bowl this year
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And Dooley will be a national championship coach one day

The Marlins will win the World Series this year

And Kate Upton will finally answer my calls.
 
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vols 30 said:
And Dooley will be a national championship coach one day

The Marlins will win the World Series this year

And Kate Upton will finally answer my calls.
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You should be happy. Even with wasted 2018 draft, the Steelers are set up to be dominant going foward because of Josh Dobbs, James Conner, JuJu Smith-Schuster, TJ Watt, and Cam Sutton.

The 2017 draft class will carry y'all to a 15-1 record in 2018 and a Super Bowl.

Quote me on this.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So I'm guessing that you are talking about Marshon Lattimore (2017 Defensive Rookie of the Year), Joey Bosa (2016 Defensive Rookie of the Year), and Dak Prescott (2016 Offensive Rookie of the Year). With regard to Prescott, I have admitted that I was wrong about him. He caused me to go back and correct my evaluation methods so I don't miss out on a player like him again. With regard to Lattimore, I never questioned his ability. I doubted his durability. Just as I never doubted Deshaun Watson's skill, I doubted his ability to stay healthy. And while I was proven right about Watson's lack of ability to stay healthy, I was wrong about Lattimore as a rookie. Let's see if he's able to escape his hamstring issues going forward. If he stays healthy, I'll admit I was wrong about not thinking he could stay healthy.

And now we get to Joey Bosa. Look I'm still not sold on him. He's a good player, don't get me wrong. He's just not great. And definitely not worthy of that 3rd overall pick in 2016. Jalen Ramsey and Ezekiel Elliott are far better players. He's had two years of decent production. Let's see if he can keep it up. Unlike ya'll, I don't get swayed by stats. I watch the film. And while I'm comfortable saying I was wrong about Dak Prescott, I can't say the same about Joey Bosa. He's simply not impressive to me on tape. PERIOD.

With regard to Jared Goff, all he did was have his one lucky season. RG3 also looked amazing for one season. Same with Vince Young and countless other flops at the QB position. Its one thing to be good for one year when nobody is preparing for you or takes you seriously. Let's see what he does this year. I have a feeling he flames out really badly. He was carried last year by a weak schedule and a genius of a head coach. People now have a year of tape on what Sean McVay did with Jared Goff. Also they'll be playing a far stronger schedule this year. Expect those stats to come crashing down.

I believe the LA Rams will make the Super Bowl this year out of the NFC. But it will be in spite of Jared Goff not because of him. He's surrounded by the most talent in the NFL right now. The Rams defense is elite. And their running game is elite. That should carry them to the Super Bowl even with bad QB play from Goff.
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How precious...rampant obfuscation for being wrong. It's really, REALLY simple; you make a prediction and the results support or refute your contentions. Your opinions are meaningless unless supported by vettable evidence. Your projections are irrelevant, there are no points to be made by saying something "will" happen, it has or hasn't.

So, for instance, there is no "unhappening" of Goff or Bosa. Goff was top 10 in yards, top 10 in rating and top 5 in TD's. That happened or it didn't. You have zero say in that. And Bosa? Since coming into the league nobody has more sacks from the DE position and only 3 have more tackles. Oh, and he did that having 4 fewer games than all those people.

Again, your "My eye is awesome." schtick is the golfer that shoots a 150 but can't shut up about the birdie on 5 and the nice drive on 17. If/when your game gets better then so be it, (I'd really like to see you be right about the VFL predictions) right now we all know your game needs a lot of work.
 
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hndog609 said:
How precious...rampant obfuscation for being wrong. It's really, REALLY simple; you make a prediction and the results support or refute your contentions. Your opinions are meaningless unless supported by vettable evidence. Your projections are irrelevant, there are no points to be made by saying something "will" happen, it has or hasn't.

So, for instance, there is no "unhappening" of Goff or Bosa. Goff was top 10 in yards, top 10 in rating and top 5 in TD's. That happened or it didn't. You have zero say in that. And Bosa? Since coming into the league nobody has more sacks from the DE position and only 3 have more tackles. Oh, and he did that having 4 fewer games than all those people.

Again, your "My eye is awesome." schtick is the golfer that shoots a 150 but can't shut up about the birdie on 5 and the nice drive on 17. If/when your game gets better then so be it, (I'd really like to see you be right about the VFL predictions) right now we all know your game needs a lot of work.
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Goff was also putrid the year before. So which year do you wanna focus on?

I don't go by stats from a single season. Lots of eventual busts have a good season every now and then. See RG3 and Vince Young.

Jared Goff is a bad QB and that will become evident soon enough.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Goff was also putrid the year before. So which year do you wanna focus on?

I don't go by stats from a single season. Lots of eventual busts have a good season every now and then. See RG3 and Vince Young.

Jared Goff is a bad QB and that will become evident soon enough.
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Of course, can't address Bosa and try to unhappen Goff anyway.

Aren't you someone that lives most of his life kicking the can down the road? You know, player X needs time? Goff didn't have a great rookie season but he outplayed the hell out of Kevin Hogan, Christian Hackenburg Brad Kayaa and Dobbs. (you know those names, right?) And, according to YOU anyway, it would be totally expected for a QB to need more time, right? Which brings us back to where you simply get dismissed with naming these other QB blah blah or your projecting yada yada. Meaningless garbage. Did or didn't, has or hasn't. That's the criteria...nothing else matters. THAT'S something that you absolutely can count on moving forward. If the results change fine...you're wrong until that happens.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Goff was also putrid the year before. So which year do you wanna focus on?

I don't go by stats from a single season. Lots of eventual busts have a good season every now and then. See RG3 and Vince Young.

Jared Goff is a bad QB and that will become evident soon enough.
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Wow, real scoop you've got there... a rookie QB that didn't set the world on fire, that list is long and prestigious and includes Peyton Manning, among many other household names now in the Hall.

BTW, Goff was every bit as good as Peyton in their second years, so your latest observation is just more uninformed blather.
 
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hndog609 said:
Of course, can't address Bosa and try to unhappen Goff anyway.

Aren't you someone that lives most of his life kicking the can down the road? You know, player X needs time? Goff didn't have a great rookie season but he outplayed the hell out of Kevin Hogan, Christian Hackenburg Brad Kayaa and Dobbs. (you know those names, right?) And, according to YOU anyway, it would be totally expected for a QB to need more time, right? Which brings us back to where you simply get dismissed with naming these other QB blah blah or your projecting yada yada. Meaningless garbage. Did or didn't, has or hasn't. That's the criteria...nothing else matters. THAT'S something that you absolutely can count on moving forward. If the results change fine...you're wrong until that happens.
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How did he outplay them? He was just the #1 overall pick so he has more latitude to fail. They threw him out there eventhough he didn't earn the spot. That is typically what happens for guys who are drafted high. The lower round picks are the ones who actually have to earn their playing time. Its not just handed to them.

Just realize this. There's a reason why I am willing to say I was wrong about Dak Prescott but not Jared Goff. I'm not just "kicking the can down the road" as you are trying to imply. I'm giving you an honest evaluation. I believe Jared Goff is trash. Right now he has a great team and coach masking his deficiencies. However, those deficiencies will show themselves soon enough.

Think of Goff like the reverse of Dobbs. If he actually turns out to be a successful QB I will stop trying to project players because he's one of the players I've been most sure would be a bust in my lifetime. Just as much as I'm confident Dobbs will be a star.

Jared Goff has a very soft feminine look. And this is me being kind. He looks like that word that is similar to a kitty. Guys who look like him don't become successful in very masculine sports like football. He's going to be that bust he was as a rookie once again. I'm as sure of that as I am sure in Dobbs becoming a SUPERSTAR.
 
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HoptownVol said:
Wow, real scoop you've got there... a rookie QB that didn't set the world on fire, that list is long and prestigious and includes Peyton Manning, among many other household names now in the Hall.

BTW, Goff was every bit as good as Peyton in their second years, so your latest observation is just more uninformed blather.
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Peyton didn't have a wimpy look like Jared Goff. Peyton had a masculine look that predicated his future success. Jared Goff has the look of a bust. And I'm 100% confident his sophomore year was nothing more than a fluke like we've seen many times with bad QBs before.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Peyton didn't have a wimpy look like Jared Goff. Peyton had a masculine look that predicated his future success. Jared Goff has the look of a bust. And I'm 100% confident his sophomore year was nothing more than a fluke like we've seen many times with bad QBs before.
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A wimpy look? Bwahahahahaaa He's a California kid, Peyton is a nerd, so now you can measure someone's success in the league by the way they look, thats the stupidest damn thing I've ever heard. What about Brady, he look like Conan the Barbarian at the Combine, how bout Aaron Rogers... he look like Stone Cold Steve Austin sitting in the green room waiting to be drafted? You've gone beyond troll stage with these idiotic posts, hey get our mommy to make you a Hot Pocket, maybe that will calm you down. :good!:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Peyton didn't have a wimpy look like Jared Goff. Peyton had a masculine look that predicated his future success. Jared Goff has the look of a bust. And I'm 100% confident his sophomore year was nothing more than a fluke like we've seen many times with bad QBs before.
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You are going to get stabbed one day because you are going to be like "Oh this knife wielding attacker wont hurt me, I can see the kind eyes behind his ski mask." Get real, dude.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Goff was also putrid the year before. So which year do you wanna focus on?

I don't go by stats from a single season. Lots of eventual busts have a good season every now and then. See RG3 and Vince Young.

Jared Goff is a bad QB and that will become evident soon enough.
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How full of crap/hypocritical can you be? You don't go by the stats from one season??? Have you met Alvin Kamara? You had him as a damn HoFer after half a season .. yet, Goff gives you a complete season with real stats and a real performance at that position, and NOW you don't go by one season? I suppose next you will say you JUST meant that for QBs huh?

AK had half the carries of even Carlos Freaking Hyde for crying out loud. When AK starts getting over 200+ carries (and if you really knew what you were talking about, you would know that the volume of carries REALLY does matter). You bash Fournette for his 3.9 per carry but he had 148 more carries than AK .. carries matter. Most would prop Le'Veon Bell as a stud back but he only managed .1 YPC more than Fournette. Why though? Because Bell had more than 50 more carries than Fournette and they take their toll. There is a big difference between a guy like AK coming in as a change of pace guy less than 8 carries per game and guys like Fournette, Bell, Gurley, Hunt (I know, sore subject too for your eye test), Gordon, Gore and others like them who come in and their job is to kick your teeth in averagint 16+ carries per game.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
How did he outplay them? He was just the #1 overall pick so he has more latitude to fail. They threw him out there eventhough he didn't earn the spot. That is typically what happens for guys who are drafted high. The lower round picks are the ones who actually have to earn their playing time. Its not just handed to them.

Just realize this. There's a reason why I am willing to say I was wrong about Dak Prescott but not Jared Goff. I'm not just "kicking the can down the road" as you are trying to imply. I'm giving you an honest evaluation. I believe Jared Goff is trash. Right now he has a great team and coach masking his deficiencies. However, those deficiencies will show themselves soon enough.

Think of Goff like the reverse of Dobbs. If he actually turns out to be a successful QB I will stop trying to project players because he's one of the players I've been most sure would be a bust in my lifetime. Just as much as I'm confident Dobbs will be a star.

Jared Goff has a very soft feminine look. And this is me being kind. He looks like that word that is similar to a kitty. Guys who look like him don't become successful in very masculine sports like football. He's going to be that bust he was as a rookie once again. I'm as sure of that as I am sure in Dobbs becoming a SUPERSTAR.
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I was going to address this hilarious attempt at a reply but it's really best just to sit back and enjoy the sheer D4Hness of it all. I mean, success and "word that is similar to a kitty.". Simply awesome.

The only serious part moving forward; did or didn't, has or hasn't. IF it supports you great...if it doesn't that's the reality you'll be held to.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I feel bad for you so I won't steal your money.
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Translation: I'm too much of a coward to actually bet on the things I declare. Sounds like you don't really believe it as much you claim.

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bamawriter said:
Quoted for posterity.

Though we need to clarify "superstar." Otherwise you'll be back here in 2 years saying "Dobbs started one game for the Browns and they only lost by 13. SUPERSTAR!"
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Here's his future Super Bowl winning future MVP here ..

Joshua Dobbs flips to Quincy Mauger for the interception! - YouTube

Sure, preseason doesn't mean a lot in the stats aspect of things but you better believe Tomlin takes this into consideration with regards to decision making.
 
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#219
D4H is now projecting NFL talent level using facial features. How's he going to top this one?

Tune in next time, I'm sure he will somehow.
 
#220
#220
HoptownVol said:
A wimpy look? Bwahahahahaaa He's a California kid, Peyton is a nerd, so now you can measure someone's success in the league by the way they look, thats the stupidest damn thing I've ever heard. What about Brady, he look like Conan the Barbarian at the Combine, how bout Aaron Rogers... he look like Stone Cold Steve Austin sitting in the green room waiting to be drafted? You've gone beyond troll stage with these idiotic posts, hey get our mommy to make you a Hot Pocket, maybe that will calm you down. :good!:
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Brady has the eyes of a killer. He's got that Jordan/Kobe fire in his eyes.

Josh Dobbs has the same look in his eyes as Tom Brady. That is one of the reasons I'm so confident in him.
 
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TDawg said:
How full of crap/hypocritical can you be? You don't go by the stats from one season??? Have you met Alvin Kamara? You had him as a damn HoFer after half a season .. yet, Goff gives you a complete season with real stats and a real performance at that position, and NOW you don't go by one season? I suppose next you will say you JUST meant that for QBs huh?

AK had half the carries of even Carlos Freaking Hyde for crying out loud. When AK starts getting over 200+ carries (and if you really knew what you were talking about, you would know that the volume of carries REALLY does matter). You bash Fournette for his 3.9 per carry but he had 148 more carries than AK .. carries matter. Most would prop Le'Veon Bell as a stud back but he only managed .1 YPC more than Fournette. Why though? Because Bell had more than 50 more carries than Fournette and they take their toll. There is a big difference between a guy like AK coming in as a change of pace guy less than 8 carries per game and guys like Fournette, Bell, Gurley, Hunt (I know, sore subject too for your eye test), Gordon, Gore and others like them who come in and their job is to kick your teeth in averagint 16+ carries per game.
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I had Alvin Kamara in the Hall of Fame before the draft. I said he would be the next Marshall Faulk back then. All his rookie year did was confirm what I already knew.

Also why do you keep focusing on carries? That's as irrelevant as focusing on the number of shots a basketball player attempts and trying to argue against the fact that he scores efficiently.

Alvin Kamara had 1500 yards last year and 14 TDs. He was extremely efficient as he averaged the most yards per touch by a RB in NFL history.

Stop talking to me about carries. Alvin was 2nd in the league in TDs. The most important stat.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I had Alvin Kamara in the Hall of Fame before the draft. I said he would be the next Marshall Faulk back then. All his rookie year did was confirm what I already knew.

Also why do you keep focusing on carries? That's as irrelevant as focusing on the number of shots a basketball player attempts and trying to argue against the fact that he scores efficiently.

Alvin Kamara had 1500 yards last year and 14 TDs. He was extremely efficient as he averaged the most yards per touch by a RB in NFL history.

Stop talking to me about carries. Alvin was 2nd in the league in TDs. The most important stat.
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How about you stop talking about HoF and I'll stop talking about carries? Probably not though. Comparing it to shots in a basketball game is just more proof that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Fact is, no HoF RB has gotten there averaging 7.5 carries per game. He's a talented player but if he starts getting a full work load, the body takes a toll and the production naturally drops on a per carry basis. The amount of carries a back gets is important and if you don't understand why, you might as well go back to trying to judge players by how manly they look.
 
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