Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are CLEARLY the 2 best QBs in the 2018 NFL Draft

[vols 30]

What D4H said about Baker Mayfield -

"I've seen nothing in his film that shows me NFL throws or an NFL skill set."

 

[Vol8188]

What D4H said about Baker Mayfield -

"I've seen nothing in his film that shows me NFL throws or an NFL skill set."

lol don’t focus on that. He was able to rank 5 guys and place two of them in the proper order. Obviously that should be your focus

 

[NashVol11]

People wanted to make Lamar play a different position, I think it's fine to give credit where credit is due on that call (but also remember some of the others)

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

What D4H said about Baker Mayfield -

"I've seen nothing in his film that shows me NFL throws or an NFL skill set."

Baker Mayfield is on his 4th team and was considered a bust before the last 2 years. I was right about him not being worthy of a 1st round pick. Remember my NFL comp for him was Case Keenum. And Keenum had a couple of good years as a starter and even led a team to the NFC Championship Game. Something Mayfield might never accomplish.

The big miss on my part and almost everyone else was Darnold (unto this year) and Rosen. I expected way more from them both. Especially Darnold. I thought both were franchise caliber QBs.

I had Allen and Lamar rated as generational talents not just 1st round picks. That's what made my predictions so good. Other than Dobbs there are no other QBs since 2016 that I've had rated as high as them. And the fact Allen and Lamar are considered top 3 QBs of this era (along with Mahomes) shows how right I was about them.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

People wanted to make Lamar play a different position, I think it's fine to give credit where credit is due on that call (but also remember some of the others)

Just think about it this way. If you drafted Allen or Lamar, you could miss on the rest of your picks that year in the draft and it would still be an amazing draft cause you hit on the most important guy. Generational QBs can carry franchises for decades and cover a lot of flaws. So yes I got a lot of other stuff wrong. But hitting on these two when neither was considered a sure thing is pretty amazing. Just like how anybody who saw what Mahomes has done coming would be justified in bragging about that despite how many other things they got wrong.

Getting it right at QB is the most important thing. Especially when you go all-in on a QB. I've only gone all-in on 3 QBs since 2016. Dobbs, Allen, and Lamar. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

 

[VolunteerVandiver]

You are odd, and people give you a hard time, but this is a great take. Kudos, man

 

[zjcvols]

People wanted to make Lamar play a different position, I think it's fine to give credit where credit is due on that call (but also remember some of the others)

Credit to coming out with Lamar and Allen but saying Allen’s nfl comp is Marino after seeing how Allen plays is absolutely hilarious when he plays much closer to an accurate Cam Newton

 

[n_huffhines]

Credit to coming out with Lamar and Allen but saying Allen’s nfl comp is Marino after seeing how Allen plays is absolutely hilarious when he plays much closer to an accurate Cam Newton

The comp was always Elway and the reason he didn't go #1 was the concern about accuracy.

 

[n_huffhines]

What D4H said about Baker Mayfield -

"I've seen nothing in his film that shows me NFL throws or an NFL skill set."

In fairness, Baker is short on the physical attributes. Based on his skill set, he's an over-achiever. It took 6-7 years for him to prove he can play.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

In fairness, Baker is short on the physical attributes. Based on his skill set, he's an over-achiever. It took 6-7 years for him to prove he can play.

Didn't he make the playoffs in year 2 or 3 with Cleveland? That team rivals the Bears in all time dysfunction at the QB position.

 

[n_huffhines]

Didn't he make the playoffs in year 2 or 3 with Cleveland? That team rivals the Bears in all time dysfunction at the QB position.

Yeah. I thought he did pretty OK in Cleveland but that was not the consensus. In year 3, he was seen as game-managing them to 11 wins and then next year he was bad. Reports were he played hurt and nobody really seemed to give him the benefit of the doubt, nor did anybody really seem to look at them sideways when they moved on from him.

But now he's clearly good and not just a game manager, he's making things happen. 69 TD's and 8,500 yards over 2 seasons with a 68% completion rate.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Credit to coming out with Lamar and Allen but saying Allen’s nfl comp is Marino after seeing how Allen plays is absolutely hilarious when he plays much closer to an accurate Cam Newton

Maybe you missed the part where I said "with mobility". Finding a comp for Josh Allen historically is impossible because he's one for one. We've never seen someone with his combination of size, arm talent, and mobility. Cam Newton has similar size and athleticism but he's not in the same stratosphere as Allen when it comes to passing ability. That's why I said his comp was "Marino with mobility". I was trying to find someone with Allen's size and arm talent and then add the mobility factor into the player.

Looking back now maybe I should have said Allen is a bigger version of Brett Favre with more athleticism. Brett Favre is probably better passing comp for him than Marino. But even then Allen is truly one of one cause even that comparison doesn't seem very good.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Didn't he make the playoffs in year 2 or 3 with Cleveland? That team rivals the Bears in all time dysfunction at the QB position.

Cleveland made the playoffs last year starting 5 different QBs including Joe Flacco.

Myles Garrett's Browns aren't the Browns of old. They're an incredibly talented team that has been held back by bad QB play not the other way around. When they made the playoffs in 2020 it was because of their defense and run game. Not because of Mayfield.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Cleveland made the playoffs last year starting 5 different QBs including Joe Flacco.

Myles Garrett's Browns aren't the Browns of old. They're an incredibly talented team that has been held back by bad QB play not the other way around. When they made the playoffs in 2020 it was because of their defense and run game. Not because of Mayfield.

I'm sure I will regret responding.

The 2023 Browns were strong due to their defense, yes. The 2020 Browns were strong due to their defense, no. Go look again because they weren't. Mayfield wasn't a world beater that season, but he was solid along with a top 5 run attack.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Cleveland made the playoffs last year starting 5 different QBs including Joe Flacco.

Myles Garrett's Browns aren't the Browns of old. They're an incredibly talented team that has been held back by bad QB play not the other way around. When they made the playoffs in 2020 it was because of their defense and run game. Not because of Mayfield.

PFF REALLY disagrees with you. 2024 offensive

Ford - low end starter (71)
Chubb - replacement level (57)
Jeudy - low end starter (73)
Tillman - low end backup (64)
Moore - replacement level (58)
Njoku - low end backup (64)
Akins - backup (67)
Conklin - backup (66)
Bitonio - low end backup (64)
Pocic - low end backup (64)
Teller - low end backup (63)
Willis - replacement (53)
Ifedi - replacement (49)
Jones - replacement (46)

The highest rated offensive player (more than 100 snaps) was Jameis (74)....

Other guys with more than 100 snaps Strong (58), Foreman (53), Woods (49), Thrash (43), Whitehart (61), Swaim (45), Hudson (50), Dunn (46), Zinter (44)

 

[zjcvols]

Maybe you missed the part where I said "with mobility". Finding a comp for Josh Allen historically is impossible because he's one for one. We've never seen someone with his combination of size, arm talent, and mobility. Cam Newton has similar size and athleticism but he's not in the same stratosphere as Allen when it comes to passing ability. That's why I said his comp was "Marino with mobility". I was trying to find someone with Allen's size and arm talent and then add the mobility factor into the player.

Looking back now maybe I should have said Allen is a bigger version of Brett Favre with more athleticism. Brett Favre is probably better passing comp for him than Marino. But even then Allen is truly one of one cause even that comparison doesn't seem very good.

He plays nothing like Marino. He didn’t in college either. Marino was big but he had a lightning quick release that played in the pocket exclusively and relied on his supernatural ability to throw to a spot before the defender got there.

Allen plays exactly like Cam with the running but a way more natural passer. Cam used his mobility to search for big plays and take big hits. Allen though has become more efficient the last year in a half.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

PFF REALLY disagrees with you. 2024 offensive

Ford - low end starter (71)
Chubb - replacement level (57)
Jeudy - low end starter (73)
Tillman - low end backup (64)
Moore - replacement level (58)
Njoku - low end backup (64)
Akins - backup (67)
Conklin - backup (66)
Bitonio - low end backup (64)
Pocic - low end backup (64)
Teller - low end backup (63)
Willis - replacement (53)
Ifedi - replacement (49)
Jones - replacement (46)

The highest rated offensive player (more than 100 snaps) was Jameis (74)....

Other guys with more than 100 snaps Strong (58), Foreman (53), Woods (49), Thrash (43), Whitehart (61), Swaim (45), Hudson (50), Dunn (46), Zinter (44)

They were awful this year. I was talking about 2023 when they made the playoffs despite starting 5 different QBs.

You don't make the playoffs with 5 different starting QBs unless your roster is crazy talented.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He plays nothing like Marino. He didn’t in college either. Marino was big but he had a lightning quick release that played in the pocket exclusively and relied on his supernatural ability to throw to a spot before the defender got there.

Allen plays exactly like Cam with the running but a way more natural passer. Cam used his mobility to search for big plays and take big hits. Allen though has become more efficient the last year in a half.

I don't disagree with you that he's nothing like Marino. Finding a good comparison for Allen is hard because he's so unique. However, your comparison of Cam Newton is even worse. They're nothing alike other than being both big and athletic. Cam had a more stiff robotic throwing motion while Allen is more fluid. Also as runners they're vastly different. Even their build is different. Cam is built like a bodybuilder with muscle definition and little body fat while Allen is more country strong without the definition.

There's no good comparison for Josh Allen. He's the first of his kind.