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#136
Ohh, but I guess J.P. Prince would do better. He managed 6 min a game in 3 games and shot an amazing 20% this season at Arizona before his transfer to UT. I guess Lute Olsen, who has guided the Wildcats to the most active consecutive NCAA tourney appearances, doesn't know what he is doing and just didn't like J.P. Or something. I bet at 6'6" and a huge 180 lbs. he would box out SOOOO much better than the Dane.


Arizona is filled with much more talent than we have at UT. Not saying we can't compete with them, but Lute has got 4 years of top recruits to CBP's one year. Prince has been sick and really who know what else was wrong with him mentally, but I think he will be a major contributor to us next year from the practice reports that I'm hearing. He should fit in CBP's system very well. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that he could have made at least 1 of the 4 lay ups that Dane missed in the KY game. I'm also willing to bet that Dane wouldn't even get 6 minutes of playing time under Lute right now. The only reason he's playing here is because we have no one else. And just think ... Buzz chose Dane over Humphrey at FL. I'm sure everyone would keep Dane over Lee H. now - yeah right. I don't hate Dane. He is what he is. He's a basketball player, but not a good one. You say he's not a scorer (well you're right there), then I wish he would just quit trying to shoot all together.
 
#137
#137
johnnybravo said:
Arizona is filled with much more talent than we have at UT. Not saying we can't compete with them, but Lute has got 4 years of top recruits to CBP's one year. Prince has been sick and really who know what else was wrong with him mentally, but I think he will be a major contributor to us next year from the practice reports that I'm hearing. He should fit in CBP's system very well. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that he could have made at least 1 of the 4 lay ups that Dane missed in the KY game. I'm also willing to bet that Dane wouldn't even get 6 minutes of playing time under Lute right now. The only reason he's playing here is because we have no one else. And just think ... Buzz chose Dane over Humphrey at FL. I'm sure everyone would keep Dane over Lee H. now - yeah right. I don't hate Dane. He is what he is. He's a basketball player, but not a good one. You say he's not a scorer (well you're right there), then I wish he would just quit trying to shoot all together.
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I agree with you Dane cannot shoot. Would you now care to comment on the FACT that Dane is 5th in assists in the SEC, 4th in steals in the SEC, and 2nd in Assist/Turnover Ratio in regards to your comments, "The only reason he's playing here is because we have no one else" and, "He's a basketball player, but not a good one"?
 
#138
#138
johnnybravo said:
Ohh, but I guess J.P. Prince would do better. He managed 6 min a game in 3 games and shot an amazing 20% this season at Arizona before his transfer to UT. I guess Lute Olsen, who has guided the Wildcats to the most active consecutive NCAA tourney appearances, doesn't know what he is doing and just didn't like J.P. Or something. I bet at 6'6" and a huge 180 lbs. he would box out SOOOO much better than the Dane.


Arizona is filled with much more talent than we have at UT. Not saying we can't compete with them, but Lute has got 4 years of top recruits to CBP's one year. Prince has been sick and really who know what else was wrong with him mentally, but I think he will be a major contributor to us next year from the practice reports that I'm hearing. He should fit in CBP's system very well. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that he could have made at least 1 of the 4 lay ups that Dane missed in the KY game. I'm also willing to bet that Dane wouldn't even get 6 minutes of playing time under Lute right now. The only reason he's playing here is because we have no one else. And just think ... Buzz chose Dane over Humphrey at FL. I'm sure everyone would keep Dane over Lee H. now - yeah right. I don't hate Dane. He is what he is. He's a basketball player, but not a good one. You say he's not a scorer (well you're right there), then I wish he would just quit trying to shoot all together.
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If U R right and he has all that and the heart of Dane then we should be looking real good next year. However, if you really think I'm 'gunna give you a pass on "Dane sux....and Prince is God" w/o so much as a dribble yet, then you are nuts:salute:
 
#139
#139
We don't really know what Prince is going to be until he proves himself. I do think we will be a much improved team next year minus Dane and adding either shooting guard Tatum or Prince without ever seeing them. I just can't watch a game and continue to say "Aaahh nice try Dane", "Keep your head up Dane". I can't really remember a really good game he's had in the SEC yet. The lack of FT boxing out really is driving me crazy. Maybe he is the hardest worker out there, but I'd rather have someone with more talent that doesn't have to work as hard. He may have the best A/T ratio, but if you count every time he shoots a turnover then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be leading that category very long.
 
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#140
UTLCA said:
I think Wingate would be starting at the 5, probably instead of Dane, but you never know.
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I'm sorry, I was reading through this thread when I just had to stop and respond to this one. Are you saying Bradshaw is playing the 5 position? I guess that's all I have to ask.
 
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#141
Well Hat said that if we had Wingate, then Dane probably wouldn't lose minutes. I think Wingate would start, with Duke/Wayne at the 4. I don't know how Dane wouldn't lose minutes in this situation. But more specifically, I was saying Wingate would being in the starting line up, not Dane, not that Wingate would be taking Dane's position
 
#142
#142
Dane would lose minutes with Wingate on the squad. We might not move the ball as well, but our D and rebounding would get a huge boost and we wouldn't need as many "heart" plays to beat people.
 
#143
#143
A couple of points:

(1) Dane would not be starting at this point in the season if Major were still on the team. Your starting 5 would be Ramar, JaJuan, Lofton, Crews/Chism (hot hand at the time), Wingate, and we would have 1 or 2 more wins. Dane would still see 15-20 minutes a game backing up the 3 and 4 spots (Chism moving to the 5 when Major sits, etc.) The odd man out in such a scenario would be Childress, not Dane.

(2) One could (and has) made the argument that Dane, physically, is not a SEC-level player, and I think there's some truth to that. He's undersized, he's slow, and he's a poor shooter. These are all significant marks against him, but you can't just blatantly ignore the stats on rebounding, assists, and steals. What I do like about Dane is his floor vision; more than any other player on the team (although Lofton is getting there), Dane can find the open man in heavy traffic and get him the ball.

(3) Dane's a senior, so he's gone next year, anyway. My suspicion is that, with Prince coming in, Passley will transfer. There's just too much baggage (the crack bust, the early-season technicals) for him to overcome to get a shot now.

(4) There is a distinct possibility that Josh Tabb will be taking over the "Dane role" for the next 3 seasons, and he may just end up being a far superior player.

(5) All that being said, I'd trade Bradshaw for Humphrey, straight up, in a heartbeat. Could you imagine the possibilities with having Lofton and Humphrey on the floor at the same time? UT would be attempting 30 3's a game. And making 15-20 of them.
 
#144
#144
DowntownVol said:
A couple of points:

(1) Dane would not be starting at this point in the season if Major were still on the team. Your starting 5 would be Ramar, JaJuan, Lofton, Crews/Chism (hot hand at the time), Wingate, and we would have 1 or 2 more wins. Dane would still see 15-20 minutes a game backing up the 3 and 4 spots (Chism moving to the 5 when Major sits, etc.) The odd man out in such a scenario would be Childress, not Dane.

(2) One could (and has) made the argument that Dane, physically, is not a SEC-level player, and I think there's some truth to that. He's undersized, he's slow, and he's a poor shooter. These are all significant marks against him, but you can't just blatantly ignore the stats on rebounding, assists, and steals. What I do like about Dane is his floor vision; more than any other player on the team (although Lofton is getting there), Dane can find the open man in heavy traffic and get him the ball.

(3) Dane's a senior, so he's gone next year, anyway. My suspicion is that, with Prince coming in, Passley will transfer. There's just too much baggage (the crack bust, the early-season technicals) for him to overcome to get a shot now.

(4) There is a distinct possibility that Josh Tabb will be taking over the "Dane role" for the next 3 seasons, and he may just end up being a far superior player.

(5) All that being said, I'd trade Bradshaw for Humphrey, straight up, in a heartbeat. Could you imagine the possibilities with having Lofton and Humphrey on the floor at the same time? UT would be attempting 30 3's a game. And making 15-20 of them.
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If UT started the lineup you have listed in (1), and played them together for appreciable minutes, they would set an NCAA record for turnovers.
 
#146
#146
hatvol96 said:
If UT started the lineup you have listed in (1), and played them together for appreciable minutes, they would set an NCAA record for turnovers.
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Since we're in fantasyland here, anyway:

I'm proceeding under the assumption that Major had improved his game during the offseason (and certain reports and press clippings bear that theory out), and had finally learned to take the damn ball to the rack as opposed to putting it on the floor, where he was just pitiful, a turnover waiting to happen. If Major doesn't improve, he comes off the bench first as opposed to Childress.

You would have to admit that the defense would be markedly improved with Major on the team. I'd trade a few more turnovers here and there for that, any day. As much time as I spent yelling at Major for boneheaded offensive plays, the guy did a terrific job shutting down the opposition's bigs last year.
 
#147
#147
You mean you'd rather have Wingate anchoring the press than Bradshaw. What? How about all of the rebounds we'd be losing? The assists? A/T ratio?
 
#148
#148
The press was more effective last year with Wingate guarding the in-bounds pass. We got all kinds of steals on the in-bounds and 5 second calls - much more so than this year.
 
#149
#149
DowntownVol said:
The press was more effective last year with Wingate guarding the in-bounds pass. We got all kinds of steals on the in-bounds and 5 second calls - much more so than this year.
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Yeah, how about those two Florida game turnovers? That's all Big Major
 
#150
#150
DowntownVol said:
A couple of points:

(1) Dane would not be starting at this point in the season if Major were still on the team. Your starting 5 would be Ramar, JaJuan, Lofton, Crews/Chism (hot hand at the time), Wingate, and we would have 1 or 2 more wins. Dane would still see 15-20 minutes a game backing up the 3 and 4 spots (Chism moving to the 5 when Major sits, etc.) The odd man out in such a scenario would be Childress, not Dane.

(2) One could (and has) made the argument that Dane, physically, is not a SEC-level player, and I think there's some truth to that. He's undersized, he's slow, and he's a poor shooter. These are all significant marks against him, but you can't just blatantly ignore the stats on rebounding, assists, and steals. What I do like about Dane is his floor vision; more than any other player on the team (although Lofton is getting there), Dane can find the open man in heavy traffic and get him the ball.

(3) Dane's a senior, so he's gone next year, anyway. My suspicion is that, with Prince coming in, Passley will transfer. There's just too much baggage (the crack bust, the early-season technicals) for him to overcome to get a shot now.

(4) There is a distinct possibility that Josh Tabb will be taking over the "Dane role" for the next 3 seasons, and he may just end up being a far superior player.

(5) All that being said, I'd trade Bradshaw for Humphrey, straight up, in a heartbeat. Could you imagine the possibilities with having Lofton and Humphrey on the floor at the same time? UT would be attempting 30 3's a game. And making 15-20 of them.
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I agree with all points, but as for Josh Tabb goes, I do think with work on his jumper, this dude can be next level. I think, like Dane, he can provide moderate minutes with outstanding results, with better shooting, but will not be able to guard bigger players like Dane does. Dane can also offensively post guys up, and despite his height, can use his quickness to school taller guys. Tabb will be a better guard, yes. Mike Griffin of the KNS said, he swears, Stephen Pearl is the next Dane Bradshaw. Hopefully he works on his shooting and layups.
 
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