Jordan Howell

#51
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rockydoc said:
You answered your own question two posts down! In the losses to Vandy, Auburn and Ohio State R. Smith averaged a paltry three assists a game plus shot 9/19 from the free throw line in those single point losses. Even though he scored in the high teens offensively, those were not outstanding performances from a point guard (unless you like the Eric Marbury type).

When a point guard can only come up with a meager 3 assists playing almost 40 minutes a game that usually means the other players know he is only trying to score himself and begin to stand around on offense. Ramer has talent but isn't a C.J. Watson just yet, IMO.
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Jordan Howell averages 18.9 minutes a game and 1.7 assists per game, or 1 assist every 11.11 minutes.

Ramar Smith averages 26.5 minutes a game and 3.0 assists per game, or 1 assist every 8.83 minutes.
 
#52
#52
Of course Jordan Howell didn't make a difference against Florida. Without #5 we are not going to beat any of the top teams especially on the road. I would much rather see Howell in the game than Dane. Howell has 4 turnovers since his return vs. 18 for Bradshaw. Howell has made 16 shots in his last 8 games. Bradshaw has made 8 shots in his last 9 games - rediculous. He missed 4 uncontested 2 foot lay ups vs. KY. The game would have never even been close if he makes them. The best thing about next year is JP and Tatum will take Danes place and I wish Howell would eat up more of Danes minutes now. Every coach says they wish they had a Dane on their team, but I'm willing to bet he wouldn't start on any other team in the SEC.
 
#53
#53
bravo ur out of ur mind....if howell plays the 4 instead of Dane we lose by double figures....we need Dane whether he can shoot or not until we rebuild on the inside...hatvol is a smart guy no doubt....but i never said dane could shoot i thought he was knockin dane as ppa player....my apologies to hat
 
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#54
johnnybravo said:
Of course Jordan Howell didn't make a difference against Florida. Without #5 we are not going to beat any of the top teams especially on the road. I would much rather see Howell in the game than Dane. Howell has 4 turnovers since his return vs. 18 for Bradshaw. Howell has made 16 shots in his last 8 games. Bradshaw has made 8 shots in his last 9 games - rediculous. He missed 4 uncontested 2 foot lay ups vs. KY. The game would have never even been close if he makes them. The best thing about next year is JP and Tatum will take Danes place and I wish Howell would eat up more of Danes minutes now. Every coach says they wish they had a Dane on their team, but I'm willing to bet he wouldn't start on any other team in the SEC.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. And, that is what you have stated above. Its just an opinion that most people are going to disagree with, at least those who know anything about basketball. Dane Bradshaw is not playing as well as he usually does lately. I'll give you that. But, you completely discredit his positives. He makes things happen on the court that Howell never makes happen. How would Howell get Dane's minutes anyway, they play completely different positions.
 
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#55
hatvol96 said:
Oh, I read your initial post too quickly. I thought you were talking about the two layups against Florida. I give him credit for the tip against OSU. However, that play also has nothing to do with shooting the basketball. He just can't shoot. There is now almost 4 years worth of evidence to back that up.
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I saw him play his junior and senior year in high school. I have 6 years of evidence to support the fact that he is absolutely not a shooter. Never has been. He brings a lot to the table. Shooting is just not one of those things.
 
#56
#56
I know they play different positions, but Dane doesn't play his very well at all. He didn't play that many minute against TX. During the comback he may have had 2 or 3 minutes at the most because he was sick with the flu. I think the team did pretty well without him. Everybody was in the score column. If he shoots the ball it's a turnover. If he tries a 2 foot layup it's a turnover. Add those to the 18 turnovers in the last 9 games then it is easy to see he really hurts us on offense.
 
#57
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johnnybravo said:
I know they play different positions, but Dane doesn't play his very well at all. He didn't play that many minute against TX. During the comback he may have had 2 or 3 minutes at the most because he was sick with the flu. I think the team did pretty well without him. Everybody was in the score column. If he shoots the ball it's a turnover. If he tries a 2 foot layup it's a turnover. Add those to the 18 turnovers in the last 9 games then it is easy to see he really hurts us on offense.
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I smell blaker.
 
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#58
UTLCA said:
If not for the complete breakout year of ramar smith we would be going nuts about the PG position and not the lack of post play in here. We'd also be wishing for a an appearance in the SEC championship game to make the ncaa. We'd have about 11 losses at this point. While Jordan's good for around 2 three's a game, that's no where near the production ramar has given us and obviously the great CJ would have given us.
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My God man....he's battled through a broken finger....snaped, not fractured, and given us GREAT mins every time he's in there. ...but, hell, you guys do have a better grip on this whole thing than Pearl:thumbsup:
 
#59
#59
VolinArizona said:
I think of Howell as a shooting specialist and nothing else. He should be used like Northern Arizona uses Steve Sir, but with far less minutes. Howell should actually spell Chris Lofton and not Ramar Smith, IMO.

Howell would be a nice 8-10 minute reserve staying outside the arc and hitting his 3s. He isn't quick enough to be worrisome off the dribble, which really hurts us in both transition and in our mediocre half court game.

He also doesn't have the handle to drive, so lack of quickness + lack of handling = 1 dimensional player.

Ramar Smith should end up better than CJ Watson was, and CJ was dang good at the college level.
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........Hear that Bruce ....you dolt!!! Listen up......
 
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BACKDOC said:
I have to give a little love to all the white guys. Childress has improve immensely since last year, Howell has really stepped it up lately, and we all know about Dane. But Bradshaw hasn't been able to throw it in the ocean lately. If he can get his shot back before the Tourney we will make a run.
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Perfect point!!
 
#62
#62
hatvol96 said:
With two shots from a combined distance of 2 feet. I love when people act like he hit two contested 25 footers to win those games.
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immeasurable nose for the game.....born leader....heart of a lion. I'd love to see anyone else do what he's been asked to do and pull it off. Crap man, he could'nt hold his pecker to pee last year w/o his splint on. He is EXACTLY what a coach like Pearl wants and we should be proud to have!!!!
 
#63
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onfieldvol4 said:
is hatvol a real vol fan or is he a hatevol and left out the e in his name....ive seen more bashing and downplaying of tennessee...mainly basketball than i have good things....would he rather have had bradshaw miss those shots of a combined 2 feet and possibly lose...??what about bradshaws 5+ assists a game with few turnovers..man bradshaw is lame huh? im glad we have him and i just ask he score a couple of buckets a game
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Now,now....the man LOVES the Vols....really. Just brutally honest with his opinions
 
#64
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VOLinthaATL said:
With all due respect these are message boards. Everyone can come on here and say whatever they want.

And for the most part while it seems negative hatvol whether people like to believe it or not is usually 100% accurate in what he says....
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75%:salute:
 
#65
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volbreaker said:
immeasurable nose for the game.....born leader....heart of a lion. I'd love to see anyone else do what he's been asked to do and pull it off. Crap man, he could'nt hold his pecker to pee last year w/o his splint on. He is EXACTLY what a coach like Pearl wants and we should be proud to have!!!!
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If he's exactly what Pearl wants, why isn't Bruce recruiting more slow, undersized forwards who can't shoot?
 
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johnnybravo said:
I know they play different positions, but Dane doesn't play his very well at all. He didn't play that many minute against TX. During the comback he may have had 2 or 3 minutes at the most because he was sick with the flu. I think the team did pretty well without him. Everybody was in the score column. If he shoots the ball it's a turnover. If he tries a 2 foot layup it's a turnover. Add those to the 18 turnovers in the last 9 games then it is easy to see he really hurts us on offense.
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Now, I've been open minded, but this is where I say you are a dipsh**
 
#69
#69
volbreaker said:
My God man....he's battled through a broken finger....snaped, not fractured, and given us GREAT mins every time he's in there. ...but, hell, you guys do have a better grip on this whole thing than Pearl:thumbsup:
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The guy I quoted was saying that Jordan Howell made CJ's loss easy to take. Why don't you actually respond to what I was saying next time.
 
#70
#70
volbreaker said:
Now, I've been open minded, but this is where I say you are a dipsh**
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Why are you insulting the guy? Because he doesn't think what you think? You have not been opened minded at all when it came to Hat and I, you're not fooling anyone
 
#71
#71
Dane Bradshaw is an intangibles guy. What he brings to the court, you don't always see on the stat sheet. He gets himself into position and give himself a shot at rebounds against competition much taller than him. He makes plays happen when they are needed. He always seems to put himself in the right place at the right time to make the right play. Besides, who would you put in his spot realistically right now? He earns his minutes and makes the freshmen believe that they'll have to earn theirs too. You talk about what he does in the games, but you never mention what he does for this team in practice. Every team needs one player who's heart outweighs his ability, because he inspires everyone else to work that much harder. Also, he's the ONLY senior on the roster.

Now let's talk stats. Bradshaw leads the team with 4.9 assists per game. He is second on the team with 1.9 steals per game (J. Smith gets 2.1 steals a game). He is also 4th on the team with 4.2 rebounds per game.

He's not a shooter, but he is an integral part of this team.
 
#73
#73
UTLCA said:
The guy I quoted was saying that Jordan Howell made CJ's loss easy to take. Why don't you actually respond to what I was saying next time.
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Heads up smart guy....that was me....and I did'nt say "easy to take".....Please ref priors and only respond to what I say:thumbsup:
 
#74
#74
UTLCA said:
Why are you insulting the guy? Because he doesn't think what you think? You have not been opened minded at all when it came to Hat and I, you're not fooling anyone
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Hat and others...and I have fun spars all the time. I respect their opinions, and frankly, learn alot. I called him a dipsh** because he openly dissed Dane as a Vol. Nothing constructive and way outside of what the great CBP would say is his op about Dane for sure. Once again, head up....read....think...and don't expect me to agree with ANY point about DB that does not include warrior and leader....comprende???:salute:
 
#75
#75
Do they keep a stat on how you screw up on boxing out on freethrows? Dane just about cost us the LSU game by not boxing out 5 times. Screwed up 3 times against Ky. Your right about who else we would put in, because CBP has no one else to put in. It's unfortunate that he is all we got. If we still had Wingate, Dane wouldn't be starting and he would be coming off the bench for less than 10 minutes a game and we wouldn't be discussing it right now.
 
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