Jones on VT offense: 'They are going to run 85 to 95 plays'

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walkenvol said:
Welcome to VN...visitors are usually treated well if they are hear for reasoned discussion and not trolling!
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And don't forget, VT vol-like, that pointing out spelling and grammar errors is always appreciated amongst the members of the 'nation.
 
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VersaceButch said:
Our defense is supposed to be elite this season. They showed flashes of it in the App State game, but overall our DL got bullied and we had several weak spots. Definitely fixable and some of it can probably just be attributed to first week jitters.

But let's face it, if the VT offense can run 85-95 plays they are probably putting up somewhere close to 30-35 points on us. And if this offense, one of the weaker ones we will face, can do that then this season has some serious doubts on just how good we can be. I sure hope this is only coach speak for Butch, because if he ACTUALLY believes they will run 85-95 plays then I know exactly where the weak and unfocused mentality our team played with last week came from.
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Why does everyone just assume that VT has a weak offense. It's a new year, NEW offense with experienced...good (If not great) players. I'm sure most Power 5 teams would love Ford, Phillips, Hodges, McKenzie, McMillan on the field for them.

The problem with the VT offense last year was Scott Loffler and No offensive identity. Just don't assume that VT is a weak offense without watching them play this year.
 
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RollerVol said:
not with Coach Fuentes...he's pass happy all the way...sure he runs some, but at Memphis he was throw the ball baby...short passes to long passes...what he does...jus sayin'...:hi:
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In 2015, Memphis threw the ball 465 times for 3997 yds (8.6yds/attempt) and ran 563 times for 2333yds (4.1yds/rush).

So far in 2016, VT has 41 pass attempts for 252yds (6.15 yds/attempt) and 48 rushes for 206yds (4.3yds/rush). Sample size=1, of course...
 
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We have practiced against an uptempo offense all off season. This doesn't worry me
 
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Remy said:
I agree with 50% of this, correct in that 3nouts are the death of an up tempo offense and often destroys your own defense if the other team has an effective offense. Coach can say anything over hyping the opposition all day to the public "a bunch of Supermen over there blah blah blah," nothing wrong with that IMO, it's coaching 101. Behind closed doors "we're kicking their candy donkeys."
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As if Butch is gonna come out and talk about how horrible a team is. His media sessions are all just a coach speak marathon.
 
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KBVol said:
Crazy concept. Of course, Mrs Cravitz likely knew this, but couldn't acknowledge it since his/her only purpose on VN is to complain and nag.

I'd like to see us take some shots downfield, throw some back shoulders to Malone, PWill and Jennings, and let Dobbs throw to the middle of the field much more than normal where I think he's a very accurate passer. Obviously, some success there and we're loosening up some things for our running game/Hurd (is Kamara still on the roster?) and wah-lah.....perhaps a balanced offensive approach like we saw vs Georgia last year, some pretty good ball control and less than 7 billion up tempo offensive plays for VaTech which Butch is evidently already conceding. Perhaps Jones could go ahead and let us fans know how many points VaTech is gonna score too (is it gonna be 45? 50?) just so we can be prepared.
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THIS!!! "let Dobbs throw to the middle of the field much more than normal where I think he's a very accurate passer. Obviously, some success there and we're loosening up some things for our running game"

Wolf got 3 looks, one each half, one in the OT, he caught all three in the middle. Crazy concept I know but the idea you do something until they stop it seemed to be missing this past Thursday.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
And don't forget, VT vol-like, that pointing out spelling and grammar errors is always appreciated amongst the members of the 'nation.
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It's a Tennessee board.There isn't enough time to help with grammar. My dad was a UT grad who might appreciate that one. At least, I don't see anyone threatening to burn a couch like our WVU cousins. Well, they might not consider that a threat, just being sociable.:crazy:
 
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ReaderVol said:
I'm just guessing here... but I'm sure that's the intent when throwing the ball. But a funny thing happens when teams throw the ball. Sometimes (here's the important part) the ball doesn't get caught. Either it's a bad throw, dropped ball or a penalty. Either one causes the clock to stop.
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More unproductive and/or bad things can happen when you put the ball in the air. The only good or productive thing that can happen when you put the ball in the air is your guy catches it and hangs on to it.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Maybe that's why he said it.

Back in May, Shoop said “We’re very committed. We’re going to stop the run. Nobody will run the football on the Orange Swarm. Nobody will run the football on Tennessee.”

CBJ knows his defensive players are personally committed to Shoop, so maybe he's playing the loyalty card to prod them into better play.
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"Nobody will run the ball on us" G5 teams runs for 184 on us.
 
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VT vol-like said:
It's a Tennessee board.There isn't enough time to help with grammar. My dad was a UT grad who might appreciate that one. At least, I don't see anyone threatening to burn a couch like our WVU cousins. Well, they might not consider that a threat, just being sociable.:crazy:
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Naw man, we burn mattresses around here.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Maybe that's why he said it.

Back in May, Shoop said “We’re very committed. We’re going to stop the run. Nobody will run the football on the Orange Swarm. Nobody will run the football on Tennessee.”

CBJ knows his defensive players are personally committed to Shoop, so maybe he's playing the loyalty card to prod them into better play.
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Except of course App St.
 
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So he expects them to nickel and dime us all the way to the end zone? That doesn't sound good. That sounds like a defense that doesn't do its job. That's going to break down to between 8-12 plays per drive, which puts VT in or near the red zone every drive
 
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If the defense get VT off the field with a bunch of three and outs, they will not have a lot of plays. Lets see Shoop's defense step up and control the game.
 
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sshifflett said:
Why does everyone just assume that VT has a weak offense. It's a new year, NEW offense with experienced...good (If not great) players. I'm sure most Power 5 teams would love Ford, Phillips, Hodges, McKenzie, McMillan on the field for them.

The problem with the VT offense last year was Scott Loffler and No offensive identity. Just don't assume that VT is a weak offense without watching them play this year.
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I just watched the first half of Liberty/VT. It looks like a weaak offense. You had trouble with Liberty onboth lines. You overall relied on perimeter plays such as screens and perimeter runs. Your WRs struggled blocking the screens and Liberty had enough speed to bottle the edge runs far too often.

All that is said with full understanding that we struggled with ASU, and both teams can/must improve. However, UT returns the same offense and players that proved itself against equal or better talent than VT last year, and we tend to view Thursday as an anomaly. As you said, we have one game to judge your new O on, and it was nothing to instill fear. If Liberty's starters can make you struggle the first half of their game, UT's depth shuld carry through the game.

Most sensible Vol fans should be nervous about the BoB after Thursday's showing. But if it was, indeed, an anomaly, UT should do well against VT just from a skill, depth and scheme perspective.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I just watched the first half of Liberty/VT. It looks like a weaak offense. You had trouble with Liberty onboth lines. You overall relied on perimeter plays such as screens and perimeter runs. Your WRs struggled blocking the screens and Liberty had enough speed to bottle the edge runs far too often.

All that is said with full understanding that we struggled with ASU, and both teams can/must improve. However, UT returns the same offense and players that proved itself against equal or better talent than VT last year, and we tend to view Thursday as an anomaly. As you said, we have one game to judge your new O on, and it was nothing to instill fear. If Liberty's starters can make you struggle the first half of their game, UT's depth shuld carry through the game.

Most sensible Vol fans should be nervous about the BoB after Thursday's showing. But if it was, indeed, an anomaly, UT should do well against VT just from a skill, depth and scheme perspective.
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Nothing to instill fear.... well, the offense was about as vanilla as it could get, so there's that. VT did have a first year/game starter at QB.. he had his ups & downs, but did manage to throw 4 TD passes, and overall managed the game well.

One of the best WRs in the ACC had 100+ yards receiving, and made it look easy against Liberty's best CB... obviously he will face better athlete's in the Vol's secondary, but Ford's talent should probably instill a little concern.

Bucky Hodges only managed a few catches, but did come down with 2 TD's....

I'm assuming App State didn't instill much fear into the Vol faithful going into that game... but as that game and many others have proven time and time again.. it's not always about the skill, depth, and scheme.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Look at logic being brought into a VN thread. Don't you know that you're supposed to over analyze every single word to find the "real meaning" to what he says? LOL
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Didn't he tell us he was going to make Tennessee great again?
 
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VT's O is up tempo, but, if the Vols D frustrate them in the red zone and force FG attempts, the Hokies can be held to under 30 points. Also, VT lost four fumbles to Liberty. They are not going to score 30 points against the Vols if they have similar possession issues.
 
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Tin Man said:
VT's O is up tempo, but, if the Vols D frustrate them in the red zone and force FG attempts, the Hokies can be held to under 30 points. Also, VT lost four fumbles to Liberty. They are not going to score 30 points against the Vols if they have similar possession issues.
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That all sounds reasonable. You seem generous though allowing us 30 points, but I'll take 'em. As I've stated elsewhere, we really don't know what we got because, and no offense to Liberty, we were not tested like you last week. We absolutely must stop your big boys and QB from breaking plays. Alabama, in '09 with Richardson and Ingram, wore us down in the 4th quarter and I'm hoping we have no repeat of that. The team says they are in their best shape ever so we'll see. As funny as this might seem, I also feel our D-line was held back this past week. They almost looked in slow motion at times, purposely not getting any push. Either they are bad or that could have been because Foster is trying to get them used to just switching in and out of different looks and not blowing assignments and I think you'll see a dialed up, more-aggressive version this coming week. Linebacker could be where we win or lose is what I really believe. They will need to be at the top of their game for us to have a chance. They get blown up by blockers or over shoot holes, you're going to hurt us.

One final comment concerning our O; I think they are going to be a much bigger test for you than ASU. Don't be surprised to look at the end of the game and say, they got that many yards. 30 points or enough to pull our a win? Don't know but we're going to know how the rest of our season goes after Saturday night.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
"They are going to run 85 to 95 plays"

No, just force them into 3rd down situations and get off the field. Shorten possessions with TO's. Don't say they're going to run their offense like you have no control over it.
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that's what i thought. 1st down defense will be important. if they're able to get 4+ yards consistently on 1st down, they'll be on their way to doing just that. if they don't, we get them behind the chains and take them out of what they want to do.

defensively, it should be the goal to dictate temp to them.
 
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Tin Man said:
VT's O is up tempo, but, if the Vols D frustrate them in the red zone and force FG attempts, the Hokies can be held to under 30 points. Also, VT lost four fumbles to Liberty. They are not going to score 30 points against the Vols if they have similar possession issues.
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if they get close to 30 points, our defense did not play well at all. limiting them to fg's? heck no.

i don't expect VT to have the same turnover issues they had last week. they've been working on that, they know they can't repeat that.

when we punt, it needs to put them in bad field position, and we need to keep them 2nd and 3rd and long situations.
 
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