Jones at crossroads with 25 players gone

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The Tall Gguy said:
Wow...25? Really? I wonder how that stacks up against other SEC schools.
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Alabama has had 26 but that's also 3 more seasons added on and another big difference is Saban replaces those players with better players, so they don't miss a beat. I'm kind of weary about Butch Jones up coming recruiting class but I guess its best to hold off judgement? :unsure::unsure::unsure:

Making sense of Alabama's run of young players transferring in August | AL.com

A total of 26 Alabama signees from the classes of 2010-16 have transferred before exhausting their eligibility. The 2015 class's five departures already equals the 2013 group's total three years later. Only two from 2013 left after a single season -- running back Alvin Kamara and quarterback Parker McLeod.
 
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I'm not sure Alabama is the right team to compare Tennessee with. I dare say a lot of the players in the first class (not counting the quick one right after Dooley) had grand visions of coming in and playing early since the roster was considered depleted and bad. Many did. But with the classes that followed the competition for key roles starting arriving and the work to win and keep a position increased.

When a recruit signs with Alabama they should be aware going in that they are behind other top players and unless something drastic happens, they are waiting in line.
 
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Hopefully the market for graduate transfers will be decent this year. Would be nice to snag a good LB or O lineman that way. Bama got Dieter from BG this way. And of course everyone knows about Russell Wilson.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I'm not sure Alabama is the right team to compare Tennessee with. I dare say a lot of the players in the first class (not counting the quick one right after Dooley) had grand visions of coming in and playing early since the roster was considered depleted and bad. Many did. But with the classes that followed the competition for key roles starting arriving and the work to win and keep a position increased.

When a recruit signs with Alabama they should be aware going in that they are behind other top players and unless something drastic happens, they are waiting in line.
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I agree with this. Kamara is a prime example. He transfers to us and the guy in front of him wins the heisman. Their qb transfers and we all know how hurts is working out.

Kamara is an incredible football player so to me it shows the insane amount of talent at Bama.

This year has gone way different the last 2 games than we all hoped, but jones needs to bring some elite players in. Because Hurd, regardless of what happened, was a shoe in to be the all time rushing leader... fortunate we have depth at rb. Line backer, the offensive line, and secondary are showing some drop off after losing key players .. that needs fixing.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I'm not sure Alabama is the right team to compare Tennessee with. I dare say a lot of the players in the first class (not counting the quick one right after Dooley) had grand visions of coming in and playing early since the roster was considered depleted and bad. Many did. But with the classes that followed the competition for key roles starting arriving and the work to win and keep a position increased.

When a recruit signs with Alabama they should be aware going in that they are behind other top players and unless something drastic happens, they are waiting in line.
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Yeah probably not fair, just the first team that came to mind to google.
 
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Memphisvol87 said:
I agree with this. Kamara is a prime example. He transfers to us and the guy in front of him wins the heisman. Their qb transfers and we all know how hurts is working out.

Kamara is an incredible football player so to me it shows the insane amount of talent at Bama.

This year has gone way different the last 2 games than we all hoped, but jones needs to bring some elite players in. Because Hurd, regardless of what happened, was a shoe in to be the all time rushing leader... fortunate we have depth at rb. Line backer, the offensive line, and secondary are showing some drop off after losing key players .. that needs fixing.
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Are any of the guys who left TN setting the world on fire?
 
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Twenty-five years ago players didn't really leave or transfer to other schools. You committed to a school for good or bad and honored that commitment. This is just a sign of this generation and the entitlement and me first, me now thought process. It is happening at every school. Better to leave if not happy, but a lot of times just running to the same problems.

Players think they are better than they really are or more likely someone back home is telling them the grass is greener somewhere else. Occasionally, a player can get in the coaches doghouse and not play as much as they should be. However, most of the time the player is just not as good as someone ahead of them and that is the reason for lack of playing time. These coaches all want to win and putting the best players in the best place to be successful is their main agenda.

In today's culture, it is easier to blame the coach, the referee, the fans, the teacher, the hot dog vendor...whomever, just not themselves. Or just work hard and pay your dues and earn it.

GO VOLS!
 
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evillawyer said:
Hopefully the market for graduate transfers will be decent this year. Would be nice to snag a good LB or O lineman that way. Bama got Dieter from BG this way. And of course everyone knows about Russell Wilson.
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Graduate Transfers,, BULL SH--!! For most, it's just a way to play for one more year. Don't think it's fair for underclass players that are working hard within the 4 or 5(if redshirt or injured) years to have to sit for a quick fix player. These guys, if good, are really grown men, and should be pro's or move on to the job market. If they want to further their education, then good for them. Just do it in the classroom, not on the football field.
 
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Gibbs Hall 625 said:
Twenty-five years ago players didn't really leave or transfer to other schools. You committed to a school for good or bad and honored that commitment. This is just a sign of this generation and the entitlement and me first, me now thought process. It is happening at every school. Better to leave if not happy, but a lot of times just running to the same problems.

Players think they are better than they really are or more likely someone back home is telling them the grass is greener somewhere else. Occasionally, a player can get in the coaches doghouse and not play as much as they should be. However, most of the time the player is just not as good as someone ahead of them and that is the reason for lack of playing time. These coaches all want to win and putting the best players in the best place to be successful is their main agenda.

In today's culture, it is easier to blame the coach, the referee, the fans, the teacher, the hot dog vendor...whomever, just not themselves. Or just work hard and pay your dues and earn it.

GO VOLS!
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Back in the 50s, teams would sign/bring in 100 freshman players--and a third would be gone after two weeks in August. The attrition rate has always been high, and at every school. It's unfortunate but true.
 
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Gibbs Hall 625 said:
Twenty-five years ago players didn't really leave or transfer to other schools. You committed to a school for good or bad and honored that commitment. This is just a sign of this generation and the entitlement and me first, me now thought process. It is happening at every school. Better to leave if not happy, but a lot of times just running to the same problems.

Players think they are better than they really are or more likely someone back home is telling them the grass is greener somewhere else. Occasionally, a player can get in the coaches doghouse and not play as much as they should be. However, most of the time the player is just not as good as someone ahead of them and that is the reason for lack of playing time. These coaches all want to win and putting the best players in the best place to be successful is their main agenda.

In today's culture, it is easier to blame the coach, the referee, the fans, the teacher, the hot dog vendor...whomever, just not themselves. Or just work hard and pay your dues and earn it.

GO VOLS!
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I am sure twenty five years ago coaches did not treat there players like this too.
Today it is all business. Coaches leave at the middle of the night, they leave for more money, they treat there players as pawns to advance their careers.
I agree with you that the culture has changed for worse but its is with all players, coaches, administrators and even us fans.
 
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volmandu said:
I am sure twenty five years ago coaches did not treat there players like this too.
Today it is all business. Coaches leave at the middle of the night, they leave for more money, they treat there players as pawns to advance their careers.
I agree with you that the culture has changed for worse but its is with all players, coaches, administrators and even us fans.
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Guys like Hurd would have never made it a year in a college culture 25 years ago. Coaches if anything are softer on the players due to the PC environment we live in. The same environment where a kid with little to no life experience has more credibility than a middle aged coach that has seen life a lot longer than these same kids.
 
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volmandu said:
I am sure twenty five years ago coaches did not treat there players like this too.
Today it is all business. Coaches leave at the middle of the night, they leave for more money, they treat there players as pawns to advance their careers.
I agree with you that the culture has changed for worse but its is with all players, coaches, administrators and even us fans.
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^this. It's not just the players. Like you said coaches leave all the time. Everyone wants to give a 18-22 year old kid a hard time when he changes his mind. But coaches get a free pass.
 
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kohlrums said:
Are any of the guys who left TN setting the world on fire?
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Absolutely not, I forgot to mention that. Peterman plays for Pitt, so he's their best option. I always wondered what guys like Scott, hendrix, helm, Payne, and Wharton ended up doing?
 
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Memphisvol87 said:
Absolutely not, I forgot to mention that. Peterman plays for Pitt, so he's their best option. I always wondered what guys like Scott, hendrix, helm, Payne, and Wharton ended up doing?
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Hendrix is also at Pitt and got hurt in the preseason I believe and is out for the year. Payne is playing at Iowa State, Wharton is at Cal (last I checked was a rotational player for a team that scores 50 a game). Not sure about Helm or Scott.

Not to hate on the kid, but the fact that Wharton can't seem to get numbers at Cal says that the main reason he left was due to the fact that he was not going to see the field here.
 
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savannahfan said:
Graduate Transfers,, BULL SH--!! For most, it's just a way to play for one more year. Don't think it's fair for underclass players that are working hard within the 4 or 5(if redshirt or injured) years to have to sit for a quick fix player. These guys, if good, are really grown men, and should be pro's or move on to the job market. If they want to further their education, then good for them. Just do it in the classroom, not on the football field.
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you're kidding me???
 
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kohlrums said:
Are any of the guys who left TN setting the world on fire?
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Closest match would be Nathan Peterman, who left for Pitt and is their starting qb. He's doing an admirable job but not exactly setting the world on fire. 'Can't think of anyone else. That's a worthy question; particularly to those who're researching stats just to extend their negativity. Some of the subjectively negative posts on this thread clearly indicate to what lengths some kids will go to further the Debbie Downer stigma that holds VN back from being a more accepted site. The only abnormality going on with team 120 is the inordinate number of injuries... exacerbated by the fact that many of those injuries happened to critical players. As opposed to extending unwavering support to all the current coaches and players, some of these posters believe their scorched earth philosophy is helpful in some way. If only they could-or-would morph all that speculative thought into creative thinking as to how UT can work with the "next man up," at the very least UT fans would at least APPEAR to actually be VFLs. To the usual whiners on here: "Man up" yourselves. AMIRIGHT?:yes:
 
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sameolvol said:
Closest match would be Nathan Peterman, who left for Pitt and is their starting qb. He's doing an admirable job but not exactly setting the world on fire. 'Can't think of anyone else. That's a worthy question; particularly to those who're researching stats just to extend their negativity. Some of the subjectively negative posts on this thread clearly indicate to what lengths some kids will go to further the Debbie Downer stigma that holds VN back from being a more accepted site. The only abnormality going on with team 120 is the inordinate number of injuries... exacerbated by the fact that many of those injuries happened to critical players. As opposed to extending unwavering support to all the current coaches and players, some of these posters believe their scorched earth philosophy is helpful in some way. If only they could-or-would morph all that speculative thought into creative thinking as to how UT can work with the "next man up," at the very least UT fans would at least APPEAR to actually be VFLs. To the usual whiners on here: "Man up" yourselves. AMIRIGHT?:yes:
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25 players in 4 years? Makes sense to me. Kids want to start but not be backups. It's not that far off from Alabama - an established program. I would imagine that you have higher attrition when you are recruiting over existing talent.

How successful are players after transferring from Alabama? Tracking each departure | AL.com

This is a competitive sport. Eat or be eaten. Preston and Jalen both are drama queens. Kamara was at Alabama before he transferred. It's part of growing up and realizing success isn't given to you - success is earned.

Texas - 22 players lost to attrition in 2 years
Tracking all the Texas attrition since 2014 - Burnt Orange Nation
 
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volmandu said:
I am sure twenty five years ago coaches did not treat there players like this too.
Today it is all business. Coaches leave at the middle of the night, they leave for more money, they treat there players as pawns to advance their careers.
I agree with you that the culture has changed for worse but its is with all players, coaches, administrators and even us fans.
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How would you be if you were relying on 18-21 yr old premadonas who hold your future if they don't perform or quit when they don't get there way?

It goes both ways!

:-(

TENNESSEEDUKE
 
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This is misleading. We knew immediately when the OVERSIGNING in classes trying to get back to the 85 mark. If you sign so many in one class common sense tells you that only so many can play so when they don't get to see the field they look elsewhere.
 
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