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JayVols said:
I like Strong. Any defensive minded person should like him. I would be lying if I said that I would be let down if that's the case. However, either is better than the status-quo. I'm still hanging my hat with Gruden until he is here or he takes a coaching job elsewhere. I have to have hope in something, and our current coach doesn't provide me with that....at all.
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I think we only disagree on the timing and how it will play out.
 
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GreveHaller said:
at the time we didnt have much of an option since LK left in a hurry. We hired a guy with a losing record and paid him like he was a guy with a losing record. Right now he's the #11 in ranking of the salary in the SEC.

Should we have paid more? well yeah but again, we didnt have the luxury of time to find a better hire. We were days from NSD. We bought a band aid instead of a surgery hoping it would fix the problem. Unfortunately it hasnt.
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We had the luxury of a quality interim which would have given us the time we needed. a quality coach that wanted to be here got screwed in that deal.


An interim would have solved a lot of problems.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
We had the luxury of a quality interim which would have given us the time we needed. a quality coach that wanted to be here got screwed in that deal.


An interim would have solved a lot of problems.
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I'll disagree on that. I've never been fan of interim because rarely does it work out. The interim coach has nothing to lose and everything to gain so he plays looser. Once losing does begin to matter the mindset changes. Phil worked but it could have just as easily backfired. If the interim begins to win then you're almost forced to hire him, regardless if there are more proven coaches.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I think we only disagree on the timing and how it will play out.
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I'm trying to look at it realistically. Dooley is in over his head by anyone's standards except the truest of followers. That's not trying to demean him at all. I know I couldn't do it, but I would have taken the money and tried. There's no shame in being a college position coach. In fact, a good friend of mine at another university has turned down many chances to be a D coordinator to remain a D line coach under a former SEC coach. He said he likes having some measure of job security.

There's still lots of smoke on the Gruden front. I hope it's him, but no one is for sure 100% at this time. The only thing for sure is that there have been interactions through intermediaries on both sides.
 
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GreveHaller said:
I'll disagree on that. I've never been fan of interim because rarely does it work out. The interim coach has nothing to lose and everything to gain so he plays looser. Once losing does begin to matter the mindset changes. Phil worked but it could have just as easily backfired. If the interim begins to win then you're almost forced to hire him, regardless if there are more proven coaches.
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Did you just try and prove that interims don't work by citing an example that worked?

Interesting.
 
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GreveHaller said:
how's it worked for Arkansas?
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Not well....but we were using YOUR example. Don't blame me.

Overall I agree with your opinion on interims. Our situation after Kiffen was a special case however. Gone two weeks prior to signing day, only a year into an admitted dumpster fire....with no list of worthy prospects to pull from. Then you have a quality coach already on staff, with UT connections, and an NFL resume ready to step in to help, giving us the time for a real search....and we hire a failing WAC coach.


Conventional wisdom says our leadership chose poorly.
 
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This Dave Hart drama could not come at a worse time for the Grudenite faithful.

I had been told of this dissatisfaction many alumni of influence had for Hart early last week.

If the leadership in the AD is in question, it's going to be tough to land a big time replacement coach.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
This Dave Hart drama could not come at a worse time for the Grudenite faithful.

I had been told of this dissatisfaction many alumni of influence had for Hart early last week.

If the leadership in the AD is in question, it's going to be tough to land a big time replacement coach.
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+1

However, could make him more likely to go for the "home run" hire. Provided that the big donors approve.
 
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LittleDTO said:
Everyone has ideas and wants their ideas to be heard. However, they all want to win. They would all rally around a winner being hired.
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They can't agree on who that winner should be.
There are 3 anti-Gruden guys who are very vocal.
(Again, not my thoughts I'm just reporting. I don't think G would be successful but we could do worse)
 
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