Jon Gruden thread (merged)

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volfan4evr said:
Control of the team, (and loses) is why Saban took the Bama offer. The same with Spurrier. You can't have the kind of control over a pro team as you can an NCAA team. A poster mentioned yesterday about the prima donna 5* athletes and whether Gruden could, or how he would handle them. Ever think of how you control a pro player? To me, NCAA is far better than pro.......except for the money. Don't know if the Gru would take a rebuilding job, but it's fun to think about.
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Only if the right one presented itself.:wink2:
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
Only if the right one presented itself.:wink2:
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A passionate fanbase that will not accept losing,

a traditional powerhouse struggling to find the right coach,

a venue that reaps football on Saturdays in the fall,

a program with an association that includes producing an elite future HOF QB,

a chance to prove someone other than Nick Saban can coach,

but perhaps, most importantly...

a few hot cheerleaders!!!!!!!!!

He might even bring back the Orange Pride!
 
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So... Gruden was offered a job as Offensive Coordinator at Oregon in 2009, talked to the U about the HFC job, and UL thought they had a shot at him.

Seriously, the Vols need to put some money on the table and see if we can make Chucky smile! :hi:
 
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utmba93 said:
So... Gruden was offered a job as Offensive Coordinator at Oregon in 2009, talked to the U about the HFC job, and UL thought they had a shot at him.

Seriously, the Vols need to put some money on the table and see if we can make Chucky smile! :hi:
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He was VERY interested in the Miami job.
 
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utmba93 said:
So... Gruden was offered a job as Offensive Coordinator at Oregon in 2009, talked to the U about the HFC job, and UL thought they had a shot at him.

Seriously, the Vols need to put some money on the table and see if we can make Chucky smile! :hi:
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Hopefully $5M can make him smile, if not, then keep offering more until he does smile.:)
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
Hopefully $5m can make him smile, if not, then keep offering more until he does smile.:)
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Somehow, I think a certain amount of money will work as long as it's combined with the right privileges.

This guy needs freedom to make things happen... and the AD and donors would need to ensure him that they'd give it to him. That's one of the few advantages we have towards recruiting him versus the League.

He will have other options... we have to be the best, which is not all about money (but it will take a healthy chunk of it).
 
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utmba93 said:
Somehow, I think a certain amount of money will work as long as it's combined with the right privileges.

This guy needs freedom to make things happen... and the AD and donors would need to ensure him that they'd give it to him. That's one of the few advantages we have towards recruiting him versus the League.

He will have other options... we have to be the best, which is not all about money (but it will take a healthy chunk of it).
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In your opinion, how many millions do u think he would accept the job for? included w/ the right privileges, of course.
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
In your opinion, how many millions do u think he would accept the job for? included w/ the right privileges, of course.
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I don't know the exact figures, but I'd set up his contract with some serious bonuses for winning championships that would put him off the charts for college coaches, if that happened. And, the revenues gained for such accomplishments would still yield a nice return to the program. This is a dragon slayer's job... we've got pay what you think slaying the dragon is worth... and the dragon is the most formidable one we've faced since the Bear.

I'd also add that for getting Gruden, it's a good thing the dragon is a defensive-minded one. Showing how he can build an offense that beats that dragon regularly is the stuff from which legends are made. :hi:
 
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utmba93 said:
I don't know the exact figures, but I'd set up his contract with some serious bonuses for winning championships that would put him off the charts for college coaches, if that happened. And, the revenues gained for such accomplishments would still yield a nice return to the program. This is a dragon slayer's job... we've got pay what you think slaying the dragon is worth... and the dragon is the most formidable one we've faced since the Bear.

I'd also add that for getting Gruden, it's a good thing the dragon is a defensive-minded one. Showing how he can build an offense that beats that dragon regularly is the stuff from which legends are made. :hi:
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That's some excellent insight..You make so much sense in your threads, please post in here as much as possible..I like to hear other points-of-view.:salute:
 
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GreveHaller said:
throwing money at a problem hoping it will fix a problem is stupidity on a governmental level
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Ignoring a problem in hopes it fixes itself is Mexican government level idiocy.

Money doesn't solve everything, and you have to be smart about how you spend it, but you can't let a loser continue to ground your program.
 
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utmba93 said:
It's how you throw it and who you intend to catch it that counts.

See Alabama.
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tvolsfan said:
Ignoring a problem in hopes it fixes itself is Mexican government level idiocy.

Money doesn't solve everything, and you have to be smart about how you spend it, but you can't let a loser continue to ground your program.
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When Bama threw their money at a coach, they knew what they were getting - a coach that won on their level. A coach that knew how to recruit. You cannot say that about Gruden. Never been a cfb HC, hadnt recruited in 21 years. Risk too great.

Money helps solve problems but relying on money to solve it wont work. Looking at Gruden's body of work, that fits perfectly into "a loser continue to ground your program" thus he was fired. Dont need any of that on our hill.
 
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GreveHaller said:
throwing money at a problem hoping it will fix a problem is stupidity on a governmental level
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Following a process to fix a problem only to have it fail and then continuing the same process expecting different results is the very definition of stupidity.
 
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GreveHaller said:
throwing money at a problem hoping it will fix a problem is stupidity on a governmental level
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Spending money on an upgrade that will reap results greater than the money invested is a wise investment. Successful businesses do it all the time.

Companies that do not invest in their future fall behind and eventually become obsolete and out of business.
 
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