Jon Gruden (Tampa Bay Bucs) discussion

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tennisguy said:
I wish some of you guys would make me feel better. I posted this in another thread but thought it was appropriate here. I am not sold on Gruden. He could be great, but I think it is too risky. He is tough, a disciplinarian and a good NFL coach, but that does not translate to college for coaches that have never been a HC in college and came from the NFL. I just don't have a good feeling about Gruden. Here is the post I posted in another thread. It was from a Tampa paper and it makes sense. It makes me think even more, Gruden would not be a good choice.


An article was read on the Sports Monster this morning from a Tampa paper and the columnist said no way Gruden is coming to Tennessee. He said Gruden gets frustrated with 6-10 year NFL veterans that have a hard time understanding his complex schemes, no way that would work in college. He also said that Gruden does not have the patience to deal with kids at the college level, or the parents and fans. He said it will not happen, nor would it work.
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Hes gets frustrated with them because they are lazy and over paid. He went to the NFL FROM college! He coached in college for 4 years BEFORE he went to NFL. He knows what college is like. He is not a moron who would bring his "complex schemes" to a college program. He works with his son in his football program. Coached leave the NFL all the time and the NFL media cries alot!!
 
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tennisguy said:
He said Gruden gets frustrated with 6-10 year NFL veterans that have a hard time understanding his complex schemes, no way that would work in college. .
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I've never understood the argument that he wouldn't coach in college because college kids couldn't understand the complexity of his schemes.

Certainly, I could understand the reverse...it would obviously be tough for a college coach with a basic scheme to complicate his playbook to meet the standards of the NFL...but, it's not as if Gruden can't dumb things down a little bit to help college kids understand it.

It might be tough for an algebra professor to teach calculus, but I imagine a calculus professor could explain algebra. Maybe that's not the best analogy, but you probably get the point.
 
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utmba93 said:
10/16/05
Gruden 27 Saban 13

Two touchdowns is a spanking by NFL standards.
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I'd like to show how Gruden kicked Urban's team around, but since they are both about the same age and Gruden was the HC for the Oakland Raiders in 1998, about three years before Urban got his first gig at Bowling Green, Gruden will have to step down to the SEC to get a shot at the "Urban Legend."

This is going to be fun!
 
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jbeard82 said:
Is it not possibly we could announce gruden as our new coach and he still coach the bucks to finish out the year? I dont understand what the big deal is. Is it not possible for someone like butch davis be our next coach and he still coach NC for the rest of the year and his bowl game? Please tell me why its not possible for that to happen? Dont bring up the issue of recruiting. Kids will come to play for UT whoever we have as coach. Fulmer is not leaving TN. He will recruit for us! He will give our new coach any type of helpful info he may have.
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Can't remember the cicumstances surrounding Dungy leaving Tampa and Gruden coming in, but did Tampa have any contact with Oakland before their season was over (tampering?)?

Too lazy to GOOGLE... :crazy:
 
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I wonder if Gruden will let Urban and Nick look at his SuperBowl ring when they shake hands after each whooping we give those boys.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
I've never understood the argument that he wouldn't coach in college because college kids couldn't understand the complexity of his schemes.

Certainly, I could understand the reverse...it would obviously be tough for a college coach with a basic scheme to complicate his playbook to meet the standards of the NFL...but, it's not as if Gruden can't dumb things down a little bit to help college kids understand it.

It might be tough for an algebra professor to teach calculus, but I imagine a calculus professor could explain algebra. Maybe that's not the best analogy, but you probably get the point.
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Good point Jay, that makes me feel better. How about the patience thing. Does that worry you? It would have to be different dealing with kids and parents. There are whiny fans wherever you go, college or pro, so that probably wouldn't be much different. But there is also the recruiting thing. And, yes he was in college before, but not as a head coach, and his biggest job was a WR coach at Pitt in 1991. The rest of the schools were very small and he was a graduate assistant, position coach, and offensive assistant. What is your take on that?
 
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tennisguy said:
Good point Jay, that makes me feel better. How about the patience thing. Does that worry you? It would have to be different dealing with kids and parents.
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I think the "patience" argument is as weak as the "complex playbook" argument.

The guy was patient enough to have success with personalities like Keyshawn Johnson, Warren Sapp, and Simeon Rice on the roster.

Gruden may not be the most patient guy out there, but I don't think he needs to change that in order to be successful at the college level.
 
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peaygolf89 said:
The NFL you get to pick who you want (draft and FA).
Coaches have the players more in OTA's and such. Teams that are 1-15 can turn into playoff team in 1 year. That does no tand happen in college. That is why its easier to win in the NFL than college. Plus you are working with adults not 18-20 yr old kids.

I would love to get Gruden, but it's not going to happen!

I think UT shoud look at New Orleans OC and Kippy Brown. Kippy has ties to UT and would be very good! He has NFL ties that he could get as Assis. coaches. Just an idea.
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Man, I bet you have heard of salary cap in NFL. A team in built under the constrain of maximum player you can have on the team (50 something plus practice squad), AND total salary your players can have. But in college, you have 73 scholarships to give, and as many walkons as you want. Since we don't pay college students, you can have as many as GREAT PLAYERS as you want (as long as you don't exceed 73 scholarships, and as long as you can recruit good players). It is clear that it is much easier to build a college team simply because it is under less constrains.

Also in NFL, coaches can't make decision on personnel by themselves. There is a huge bureaucracy above that: GM and his advising team, and the BOSS. They can deny any decisions a coach made. I don't think Jon likes it. For more information about this, see the Brett Farve situation and other cases when Glazers deny Jon's proposals. In college, the head coach is the only person who decides which players to offer, what assistant coaches to hire, what's the game plan and who should play on game days.

Yes, due to the existence of Draft and FA, one team will not suck for several years in a row. They compensate to the fact that YOUR TEAM SUCKS. But it doesn't not guarantee you a winning team. On the contrary, a winning team will have a hard time to keep its own players since the players who performed well in the past years would likely to ask for more money which the team can't afford. That is just the nature of pro football.

So what other argument we can think of to support "It is easier to win in NFL than college". Well, i have heard that Fulmer doesn't have time to attend the church on Sundays, but I haven't heard he has to get up at 3:17AM to start working like Gruden does. The example are countless. I gave two links below. You might want to think again about the easiness of being a NFL coach.

NFL coaches, the hardest-working men in human history. - By Justin Peters - Slate Magazine

PRO FOOTBALL; For Many N.F.L. Coaches, Pressure Is Toughest Opponent - New York Times


So, if you can recruit, if you can coach, if you have a stable head coach situation, you are much more likely to have a dominating program in college football. That is exactly what the successes of USC, UF, and possibly BAMA are telling us. Gruden has them all.

BTW, I think we have talked about Kippy Brown and Doug Marrone before we hire Clawson. The problems are they both do not call the plays. I am not sure how does this translate to the HS situation, but I am sure that we don't want a guy who has never been a HC before
 
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Posted from another site today. Pardon me it has already been posted. I didn't look through the thread for it.

Gruden soon to be the coach of the Vols
I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.



Posted: Yesterday 9:11 PM
I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

She is obviously well aware of all that is being written and stated by many networks, sportscasters, and Tennessee fans about her son-in-law coming to coach at Tennessee. The only thing she said I could share with everyone was that "many people will be surprised."
tribevol@yahoo.com
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Posted: Yesterday 9:12 PM
RE: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

Are you yanking our chain?
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Posted: Yesterday 9:20 PM
Tribe...

Tell me you are serious....if you are not, you're credibility is history, regardles of your upcoming 10,000 posts. Where did you talk to her at?

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Posted: Yesterday 9:21 PM
RE: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

Nope! I know her well. Her late husband and my late Father were VERY good friends. She was at my Mother's funeral in May.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:25 PM
Re: Tribe...

Yes, I am serious. And yes, I just got off the phone with her. I've known her for many, many years.

vol12 can attest to my credibility as a person. Just don't take a poll with certain females, though.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:25 PM
RE: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

Do you think anything can be read into the fact that no denial has been issued?

Hope we get him.

LOL on the poll.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:27 PM
I'm glad you said it first........

Cindy's brother lives down the road from me By the way have you seen her photo of Al Davis?
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Posted: Yesterday 9:29 PM
I'll vouch for Tribe. Very straight shooter and has some

very good friends and contacts.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:30 PM
RE: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

Sorry, I promised her I wouldn't share anything else other than what she told me I could. She's known me and my family a very long time and she knows I'm a person of my word, which is why she told me all that she has.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:33 PM
Tribe....final question!!

If he was who you wanted...what she said that you cannot disclose..would it make you happy and hopeful?
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Posted: Yesterday 9:34 PM
And two of my best friends.......

....are you and Roberta. Y'all loved me even when I wouldn't listen and made a boo-boo. Praise the Lord I corrected that mistake!
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Posted: Yesterday 9:36 PM
I was born at night......

.....but it wasn't last night.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:38 PM
Re: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

Well you might as well have posted she said he's coming. I mean him not coming certainly wouldn't surprise anyone, would it? I don't know if he's the right guy or not, but he would certainly make a huge splash. Tsunami I would say.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:40 PM
Re: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

You answered my question...not in text, but the by the smily man! Thanks Tribe you made my night! Can you imagine Chucky pacing up and down the sideline against Saban. I get chill bumps right now. If he came, all the de-commitments would be crawling back...I would hope Gruden would say screw you, you had your chance!
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Posted: Yesterday 9:42 PM
Best News of the Night!

I sure hope we get Gruden - that would be a home run! I think Gruden loves Tennessee, is a great motivator, and, gets results. Go Vols!
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Posted: Yesterday 9:44 PM
Re: I'll vouch for Tribe he is-

A O K except in one area!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha! Got you back Big Boy!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Yesterday 9:45 PM
Re: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

That was actually a winky man.......and it was nothing more than saying I wasn't going to fall for your slick question.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:49 PM
I still have some McCain bumper stickers for you.

You and Dee are the only people I still like who voted wrong.

Let's get together and chow sometime. Whatcha doing tomorrow?
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Posted: Yesterday 9:50 PM
Re: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

That is absolutely awesome. If he really does come to Rocky Top that would send the best message to Big Orange Country. That the Vols aren't going to settle for mediocrity.
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Posted: Yesterday 10:26 PM
Re: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

it could also mean several other things, such as "people will be surprised to know that UT never contacted him" or "you would be surprised how close he came to taking the job before turning it down", etc. I hope it is good news however
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Posted: Yesterday 10:28 PM
RE: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

After the dismal season so far it's nice to have a little unbridled enthusiasm for a change.
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Posted: Yesterday 10:37 PM
Question for TribeVol ??????????????????????????????

TribeVol, does the statement "many people will be surprised" make you happy or have a warm fuzzy feeling deep down inside? A yes or no would do.
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Posted: Yesterday 10:50 PM
THIS IS WHY MESSAGE BOARDS EXIST!!!!!!!!!

Tribevol, I don't even know you personally, but you are AWESOME!

Obviously with nearly 10,000 posts, you have been around the block for awhile and many on here know you, some even personally. You have a good track record, and wouldn't be making this crap up out of thin air if it wasn't true. This carries more weight then if someone from ESPN was reporting it, because you can change your mind after you have communicated something like this to an ESPN reporter, but you DAMN WELL CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND TO YOUR MOTHER-IN-LAW ABOUT BRINGING HER DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILDREN BACK CLOSER TO HOME WITH HER!!!

This thread is going to spread like WILD FIRE all over the state and around the country I would guess...and I almost hope it doesn't. I hope it comes true and the boys from Around the Horn and PTI can EAT CROW about thinking it was IMPOSSIBLE for Chucky to come UT's way.

Now things are going to get REALLY exciting to see how this pans out! Keep feeding us info bud!!!
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Posted: Yesterday 10:55 PM
Re: I still have some McCain bumper stickers for you.

So you don't like your daughter-in-law anymore?
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Posted: Yesterday 11:05 PM
Don't get too carried away yet

I agree you can't read what he posted as anything other than MIL thinks there's a good chance it's gonna happen, but there are undoubtedly some things left to deal with before it actually happens. And some of those things could be important. The fact that's she (or even Gruden himself) thinks right now there's a good chance it will happen doesn't mean it definitely will happen. But it would certainly be exciting.
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Posted: Yesterday 11:05 PM
RE: I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.

I'll say this much TribeVol has been around a long time and has always been a straight shooter.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
I think the "patience" argument is as weak as the "complex playbook" argument.

The guy was patient enough to have success with personalities like Keyshawn Johnson, Warren Sapp, and Simeon Rice on the roster.

Gruden may not be the most patient guy out there, but I don't think he needs to change that in order to be successful at the college level.
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Good post. I hope you are right. I have no doubt Gruden will bring discipline to this program which I believe is something that has been lacking for some time. It is no secret Gruden will not put up with any crap. Hopefully he can surround himself with great assistants wgi are good recruiters. I do believe the fact he has lots of history as a coach in the NFL and he knows what it takes to play at the level will bring in some recruits in itself.
 
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There was a thread on scout.com saying "I just talked to Jon Gruden's mother-in-law.
", but it doesn't say anything like "Gruden soon to be the coach of the Vols"
 
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