Jon Gruden (Tampa Bay Bucs) discussion

#551
#551
SMVTT said:
IMO it would be a big mistake to hire Gruden. I've heard that one of the reasons Gruden has stated he has no interest in college coaching is because of his utter dislike for recruiting. I don't believe he could/would recruit well enough to win against Fla/Ga/Ala/LSU or Auburn and would be ran out of UT within a short time.
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That is completely speculation and he has never said that. He's been quoted saying he could be interested in college, this was several years ago.
 
#552
#552
Mort never has "BREAKING" news. I also believe that he said Saban wouldnt leave Miami too.
 
#553
#553
Gruden's biggest challenge in the college game would be trying to figure out how to get 8-10 qbs on scholarship.
 
#556
#556
I can see it now. 4th quarter Tennessee up by 6 Tebow lines up under center barking out the play call. Looks over to the Tennessee sideline and sees a evil smile form over the coaches face. Flashing back to his childhood and sneaking into a Chucky movie, fear overcomes him as he wets him self calls the last timeout and runs to the locker room
 
#558
#558
cd12 said:
Gruden's biggest challenge in the college game would be trying to figure out how to get 8-10 qbs on scholarship.
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I still think the the fact that he loves to pile up QB is because there is never be a franchise QB at Bucs.

He just needs a few (a most three, I assume) top-notched QBs in college to run the simplified version of his offense. I think he will be able to recruit the elite QB he wants without worrying about the salary cap and Glazers.
 
#559
#559
Gruden as a pure coach is very exciting... but the prospect of him being in a position to mold young men is a little troubling for me. I wonder if there is a side of Gruden we don't see in the NFL. He is a father after all, I wonder how his family life is.

While the Chucky thing is cool from a gametime standpoint, how would you feel as a parent sending your kid off to that environment for 4 years?

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of him... just need to keep in mind there is a lot more to this decision than just the Xs and Os.
 
#560
#560
GAVol said:
The Gruden rumors are strange. There would seem to be no logical reason for Gruden to even slightly consider the job, but still for some reason his name pops up over and over again.
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Read this posting I found on scout.com and you'll see plenty of reason that Gruden is connected to the University of Tennessee and would be an excellent choice to replace Fulmer.

Scout.com: Why I Like Jon Gruden as UT's Next Head Coach......
 
#561
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WILL GRUDEN LOOK TO UT?

Posted by Mike Florio on November 4, 2008, 3:46 p.m. EST
So with more and more NFL head coaches realizing that they can get almost as much cash and a lot more control at the NCAA level, the biggest question involving a current NFL head coach and a coming NCAA vacancy is whether Bucs coach Jon Gruden will flirt with the folks at the University of Tennessee.
Chris Harry of the Orlando Sentinel writes that Gruden’s contract with the Bucs doesn’t prevent a jump to the college level, but the throw-in nature of the statement makes us wonder whether that’s actually the case.
Though Gruden could never leave the Bucs for another NFL team absent permission, the Bucs can’t physically keep him from coaching at the college level. But the Bucs could sue Gruden for damages if he were to leave the Bucs in a manner that violates the terms of his contract. (Likewise, UT could be subject to liability for tortious inteference if it lures Gruden to break his deal.)
As we discussed earlier today with the Killer B’s at ESPN Radio in Tampa, the specific contents of the contract will go a long way toward determining whether Gruden could leave for the Tennessee job without an ugly fight. It’s possible, for example, that his contract specifically identifies the Tennessee job as one that he could pursue, if/when it ever becomes available.
If the language of the deal presents an impediment to Gruden’s departure, the Glazers could decide to let him go, just as the Falcons did last year with Bobby Petrino.
The biggest factor in all of this is whether Gruden wants to make the jump. Even if he says that he doesn’t, the Nick Saban experience of two years ago requires Gruden to be over-the-top unequivocal before anyone will begin to believe him.
If Gruden wants the Tennessee job, he needs first to study his contract and second to explain candidly and honestly to his current employer than he is interested in talking to UT.
The reality is that this process will take time. And until Gruden knows what he wants to do, he needs to have a solid plan in place for dealing with the questions that inevitably will come. And if there’s any chance that he’ll eventually get the job, saying “I’m not going to be the f–king Tennessee coach” isn’t the right answer.
But it’s likely that, in this case, there is no right answer. Refusing to discuss it will only fuel speculation that Gruden is interested. Saying that he’s interested will only create a distraction.
Stay tuned, because he’s bound to be asked the question soon enough. And until Tennessee hires someone else for the job, we won’t rule out the possibility of Gruden eventually singing the praises of good ol’ f–king Rocky Top.
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#562
#562
Hypothetically, if Gruden were to become our next HC, how would the logistics work? I'm assuming that he would not leave the Bucs before the season is over (nor should he), and if they go to the playoffs, how would he build his staff and recruit at the same time he is coaching a playoff team?
 
#563
#563
General Jack said:
Gruden as a pure coach is very exciting... but the prospect of him being in a position to mold young men is a little troubling for me. I wonder if there is a side of Gruden we don't see in the NFL. He is a father after all, I wonder how his family life is.

While the Chucky thing is cool from a gametime standpoint, how would you feel as a parent sending your kid off to that environment for 4 years?

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of him... just need to keep in mind there is a lot more to this decision than just the Xs and Os.
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Especially when they can go bowling with Mark Richt!

And maybe Saban takes his crew fishing at his lake house...
 
#564
#564
The ESPN guy just said , with a slight giggle, Vince Lombardi is available too and even to begin with Gruden, your talking 6 million.He said the Vol program has "High Expectations",.
 
#565
#565
MystifyingVol said:
Hypothetically, if Gruden were to become our next HC, how would the logistics work? I'm assuming that he would not leave the Bucs before the season is over (nor should he), and if they go to the playoffs, how would he build his staff and recruit at the same time he is coaching a playoff team?
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head coach rumors and logistics dont mix. This isnt a math formula.
 
#566
#566
utfantilidie said:
The ESPN guy just said , with a slight giggle, Vince Lombardi is available too and even to begin with Gruden, your talking 6 million.He said the Vol program has "High Expectations",.
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You're damn right we have high expectations. Wouldn't have fired Fulmer if we didn't.
 
#568
#568
Everybody at ESPN or in the national media discount Gruden to college because they've seen this same song and dance before. To their credit, Gruden did turn down 2 of the 4 college jobs he would take (OSU and ND).

However, what they fail to realize is that his ties to UT are far greater than the two mentioned above. Furthermore, those 2 offers were in 2001 and 2002 when Gruden was the hottest name in Football, building SuperBowl teams, and in no position to look at a college job. At that time, OSU and ND were paying $2 million tops and he was making $4 million in the NFL. What I am getting at is, alot has changed since then. The money would be better than the NFL and his ability to walk away is greater. I also believe (like all coaches) the time has come when family and career come to a crossroads. Having his dad as a scout/recruiter at UT would put both sides of his family together in Kville. Not to mention his kids could grow up with less scrutiny and pressure in TN rather than TB.

If Gruden continues to ignore this rumor and indeed comes to the game this weekend, I think we are on to something. The longer the search takes, the better shot at getting Gruden (see Nick Saban to Bama).
 
#569
#569
Grateful Vol said:
Everybody at ESPN or in the national media discount Gruden to college because they've seen this same song and dance before. To their credit, Gruden did turn down 2 of the 4 college jobs he would take (OSU and ND).

However, what they fail to realize is that his ties to UT are far greater than the two mentioned above. Furthermore, those 2 offers were in 2001 and 2002 when Gruden was the hottest name in Football, building SuperBowl teams, and in no position to look at a college job. At that time, OSU and ND were paying $2 million tops and he was making $4 million in the NFL. What I am getting at is, alot has changed since then. The money would be better than the NFL and his ability to walk away is greater. I also believe (like all coaches) the time has come when family and career come to a crossroads. Having his dad as a scout/recruiter at UT would put both sides of his family together in Kville. Not to mention his kids could grow up with less scrutiny and pressure in TN rather than TB.

If Gruden continues to ignore this rumor and indeed comes to the game this weekend, I think we are on to something. The longer the search takes, the better shot at getting Gruden (see Nick Saban to Bama).
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:good!:
 
#570
#570
Kids grow up with less scrutiny and pressure in a smaller town and easier to find? I think not. Ask the Fulmer children how fun the past 10 years were. You a reaching with this one. The family thing is getting a little old.
 
#571
#571
MystifyingVol said:
Hypothetically, if Gruden were to become our next HC, how would the logistics work? I'm assuming that he would not leave the Bucs before the season is over (nor should he), and if they go to the playoffs, how would he build his staff and recruit at the same time he is coaching a playoff team?
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That's a good question because at the moment, as wide open as the NFL is looking this season - particularly the NFC - it's definitely a possibility the Bucs could be playing in February.
 
#573
#573
Vol4ever said:
You are dead wrong. I use them everyday in the insurance business. I checked this and it is absolutely legit. Comes straight off of the State of Tennessee Real Estate Assessment Web Site.

Tennessee Property Data Home Page

Go to Jefferson county

enter Gruden

there are three entries, one is not his
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The link changed since I first clicked it....I think he probably just ctrl+C'd something else and inadvertantly pasted it in.
 
#575
#575
bigdaddy said:
Kids grow up with less scrutiny and pressure in a smaller town and easier to find? I think not. Ask the Fulmer children how fun the past 10 years were. You a reaching with this one. The family thing is getting a little old.
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Where are you more likely to find a good public school, Knoxville or Tampa?

Kid screws up, more likely to get national attention in Knoxville News Sentinenl or Tampa Tribune.

If Fulmer was coach in TB, his kids wouldn't have been as visible as they were in Knoxville and the security measures would've been doubled as well. Bad point relatively speaking.
 
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