Johnny Majors Tribute ?

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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Again, compare the numbers over the past five years in Knoxville and Johnny's last five years on the Hill. If Fulmer were held to the standards that Majors was held to Phil would be gone. The Vols have actually lowered their standards for Phil. The BOT and the President need to reassert control of the AD, get rid of the good ole' boy hangers on who would all be out on their butts and replaced with another legion of good ole boys if Fulmer is ushered out, and restore some integrity and accountability to the program.
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The difference is, Fulmer is a likable guy and many of his closest friends are the guys who decide if he keeps his job for not, the boosters so they give him the benefit of the doubt. Majors is a jerk who was disliked by many of his players and coaches and he didnt know how to treat people. This was before my time but from all stories i've heard from former players and read this sounds like the situation.
 
#27
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Again, compare the numbers over the past five years in Knoxville and Johnny's last five years on the Hill. If Fulmer were held to the standards that Majors was held to Phil would be gone. The Vols have actually lowered their standards for Phil. The BOT and the President need to reassert control of the AD, get rid of the good ole' boy hangers on who would all be out on their butts and replaced with another legion of good ole boys if Fulmer is ushered out, and restore some integrity and accountability to the program.
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Most of us know that CJM did not get canned because of his record. Hell, John Major should have been fired in 82...the only thing that saved his job was the win over Bama. Just look at John's first 6 years.. 4-7, 5-6-1, 7-5, 5-6, 8-4, 6-5-1.

Take CJM best 5 and worst 5 compare them to CPF's then get back to me.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
You have to look at what people have done lately. If the program stays focused on rewarding folks for past accomplishments it will never move forward.
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No, I'm not a what have you done for me lately kinda guy. I believe in the whole person concept.

Aren't all coachs rewarded for past accomplishments? I never heard of one getting a bonus or rewarded for something that has not occurred.
 
#30
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I can't beleive you haven't been banned for posting this. It is in clear violation of numerous board rules.
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MontereyVol made a prediction of future events based on past events. Just how does that violate board rules? What rules does it violate?

You are either a Majors homer or too young to have lived through the Majors coaching years.
 
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WillisWG said:
Most of us know that CJM did not get canned because of his record. Hell, John Major should have been fired in 82...the only thing that saved his job was the win over Bama. Just look at John's first 6 years.. 4-7, 5-6-1, 7-5, 5-6, 8-4, 6-5-1.

Take CJM best 5 and worst 5 compare them to CPF's then get back to me.
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I'm no Fulmerite, but I agree with this post. They struggled for a while before the 80s's teams, and I think they really were underwhelming in '90. Always felt like they could do better. There was more going on than I think most people know about. I"ve heard several rumors over the years but I can't say for a fact they're true but they go hand in hand with what everybody else is saying. Majors tied his own noose. Period.
 
#32
#32
The "hill" has become the newest HBO drama on tv. It's called....."The Sophilo's". With the caption being...."once you're in the family, there's no getting out." And this has become true of the football program. He's family just like the rest and will be rewarded for subpar play and teams. It's not right and it really sucks, but there is nothing we can do but talk about the "old days" and settle for 4 and 5 loss teams.
 
#33
#33
Why are you comparing Majors to Fulmer? It is obvious your spin is to support Fulmer and discredit the contributions and accomplishments that Majors did.

Fulmer should thank Majors for the opportunity give to him to be groomed as a coach starting as a grad assistant.


Fulmer took over a program in much better shape than what Majors inherited thanks to Majors rebuilding of the program. Fulmer peaked and has since taken a program to a consistent 4 loss season.

JagerVol01 said:
5) It is well known that Johnny treated his assistant coaches like crap (especially db coaches for some reason) and had a high rate of turnover among them...
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you have a link to substantiate your opinion.

JagerVol01 said:
7) Fulmer was on the verge of a Head Coaching job somewhere and the UT administration was afraid he would take Cutcliffe and Chavis with him.
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It is Fulmers loyalty to his assistants that has led this program to be stagnant. Fulmer has taken the path to mediocrity. Majors last 5 years far outshines those of Fulmers.

JagerVol01 said:
3) Phil has only two SEC championships but Johnny only had one that Florida didn't actually win...
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You rather give credit to a program that cheated and discredit to all those men in orange that worked their asses off to win the right way? Your a disgrace.
 
#34
#34
This all seems to get back to the fact that Fulmer's supporters feel compelled to slam Coach Majors at every possible turn in order to deflect attention from the possibility that the then offensive coordinator was a backstabbing weasel.
 
#35
#35
I don't see how anyone can take up for one or the other. The problems with Fulmer right now are almost the same as the problems with Majors. Being stale, no creativity, underachieving... except Majors ego got in the way. I have no link to proove that but sometimes things are just obvious. Heck just listen to an interview with him today and you'll see what I mean.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
This all seems to get back to the fact that Fulmer's supporters feel compelled to slam Coach Majors at every possible turn in order to deflect attention from the possibility that the then offensive coordinator was a backstabbing weasel.
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I'm sure Fulmer cut his legs out from under him, but that wasn't the only factor.
 
#37
#37
VolunteerHillbilly said:
This all seems to get back to the fact that Fulmer's supporters feel compelled to slam Coach Majors at every possible turn in order to deflect attention from the possibility that the then offensive coordinator was a backstabbing weasel.
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It is amazing that when we mention Johnny Majors there is this magnet from some to compare him to Fulmer. Majors turned away from an undefeated national champion to come home to rebuild a program left in ruins. That is a selfless act by Majors and he got UT to respectability when he left.
 
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brg72 said:
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It is amazing that when we mention Johnny Majors there is this magnet from some to compare him to Fulmer. Majors turned away from an undefeated national champion to come home to rebuild a program left in ruins. That is a selfless act by Majors and he got UT to respectability when he left.
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Some people would say he did as much to hurt UT as he did to help at the end.
 
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