John Kelly has been outperforming formal Vol Hurd

[VolFreakJosh]

I've noticed something about Kelly's play style. He's a gifted hard nosed runner that never gives up. He's got all the traits to be one of the best backs in the future of the SEC. The team thinks highly of him and you can tell the O-line really tries to make holes for him to run through. These are the types of players that Butch needs more of. One that will bring positive energy around your teammates and whom won't quit on the HC under any circumstance. I also find it quite interesting that Kelly and Kamara can run behind this O-Line but Hurd couldn't. Kelly who was only a 3* in high school has outperformed 5* Hurd against lesser opponents. Now we know who the actual better RB is. We're extremely lucky to have gotten Kelly. He's going to be fun to watch the next several years.

 

[Hacksaw]

It's hard to run in a tuxedo.

 

[madbamahater]

Stop mentioning Hurd, please. Please. He quit on his teammates. The team appears much better for it. Move on. Please

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

It's hard to run in a tuxedo.

He should've gone for the informal/business casual look....IMO TIFWIW IYAM TGIF MAGA

 

[Special Ed]

I always thought Hurd was informal.

 

[Roustabout]

I've noticed something about Kelly's play style. He's a gifted hard nosed runner that never gives up. He's got all the traits to be one of the best backs in the future of the SEC. The team thinks highly of him and you can tell the O-line really tries to make holes for him to run through. These are the types of players that Butch needs more of. One that will bring positive energy around your teammates and whom won't quit on the HC under any circumstance. I also find it quite interesting that Kelly and Kamara can run behind this O-Line but Hurd couldn't. Kelly who was only a 3* in high school has outperformed 5* Hurd against lesser opponents. Now we know who the actual better RB is. We're extremely lucky to have gotten Kelly. He's going to be fun to watch the next several years.

Hurd is an incredible athlete. He just isn't a RB. At least not in this offense. I think this whole drama could have been avoided.

Regardless, no one is to blame but Lyle Jones. If Hurd was a problem, then why was Kelly (and Kamara) absent from the offense?
Teams, just as talented, get 3 RBs carries in meaningful action. Kelly didn't show up in the regular offense until Hurd was injured. (Kamara, we can all agree, was criminally under utilized.) Yet, Kelly showed all last year that he would succeed in this offense.

I agree, Kelly is more productive. So is Kamara, and the stats bear it out. So why in the hell was Hurd pounded to a pulp over the last two years? Why not utilize him elsewhere in the offense? Even though Hurd had more carries than any tailback, at least half of his greatest highlights were catching the ball.

So, something doesn't add up. Lyle has poorly managed his roster, and he ought to be held accountable. How convenient that he has a scape goat in a disgruntled player. If we can see these obvious issues, then the team can as well.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

Hurd is an incredible athlete. He just isn't a RB. At least not in this offense. I think this whole drama could have been avoided.

Regardless, no one is to blame but Lyle Jones. If Hurd was a problem, then why was Kelly (and Kamara) absent from the offense?
Teams, just as talented, get 3 RBs carries in meaningful action. Kelly didn't show up in the regular offense until Hurd was injured. (Kamara, we can all agree, was criminally under utilized.) Yet, Kelly showed all last year that he would succeed in this offense.

I agree, Kelly is more productive. So is Kamara, and the stats bear it out. So why in the hell was Hurd pounded to a pulp over the last two years? Why not utilize him elsewhere in the offense? Even though Hurd had more carries than any tailback, at least half of his greatest highlights were catching the ball.

So, something doesn't add up. Lyle has poorly managed his roster, and he ought to be held accountable. How convenient that he has a scape goat in a disgruntled player. If we can see these obvious issues, then the team can as well.

I partially agree with that. You have to keep in mind that Hurd rushed for 1,300 yards and 12 touchdowns last year, it's not like he was bad. The coaching staff, along with everyone else, knew the potential that he had, but by the end of the UGA game it was obvious he wasn't going to capitalize on it. With all of that said I believe Kamara and Kelly have been underutilized as well.

 

[Roustabout]

I partially agree with that. You have to keep in mind that Hurd rushed for 1,300 yards and 12 touchdowns last year, it's not like he was bad. The coaching staff, along with everyone else, knew the potential that he had, but by the end of the UGA game it was obvious he wasn't going to capitalize on it. With all of that said I believe Kamara and Kelly have been underutilized as well.

As i said, Hurd is a great talent. I do believe they promised to modify the offense and that they have outright lied about why they played I-form in the bowl game. I think it is Butch's stubborn nature. He should have been upfront with Hurd and he would have transfered last year. Then, all this would have been avoided.

Hurd's rushing totals were very good, but dont tell the whole story. One, it was a run 1st offense. I think Kelly and Kamara would have exceeded this production given the carries. The stats seem to support this.

That doesn't even speak to the fact that if Hurd was a disruption, why he continued to be the bell cow. Other problem players get benched, yet Hurd had to bench himself?? It males no sense.

 

[UTandUNC]

As i said, Hurd is a great talent. I do believe they promised to modify the offense and that they have outright lied about why they played I-form in the bowl game. I think it is Butch's stubborn nature. He should have been upfront with Hurd and he would have transfered last year. Then, all this would have been avoided.

Hurd's rushing totals were very good, but dont tell the whole story. One, it was a run 1st offense. I think Kelly and Kamara would have exceeded this production given the carries. The stats seem to support this.

That doesn't even speak to the fact that if Hurd was a disruption, why he continued to be the bell cow. Other problem players get benched, yet Hurd had to bench himself?? It males no sense.

I believe you're speaking out of your ass. You have no clue what Jones told Hurd.

 

[Rudy123]

It doesn't matter! Don't you know that we have to recruit 4* & 5* players, no matter what? If you get a 3*, then you obviously don't know what you are doing. Don't you realize that successful programs like Boise State and Washington always recruit 5* players? Recruiting 3* players or walk on's and developing them is a crazy way to run a program. Who does that?

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Kelly is gonna be something special. I'm also excited to see what Carlin Fils-Aime can do when given more reps.

 

[Rudy123]

Also, Hurd is not a very formal person. He is though a FORMER player at U.T.

 

[Roustabout]

I believe you're speaking out of your ass. You have no clue what Jones told Hurd.

Believe what you want. The issue with Hurd goes way back to this time last year.
If what Hurd put in writing is true, then we do know. Since this was discussed last year by several people close to the program and situation then I have no reason to doubt it's veracity. If name calling makes you feel better then congrats.

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

Big John Kelly is the team's future. And the future begins...wait...wait...NOW!!!!

 

[Wylo]

It's hard to run in a tuxedo.

So beautiful. Bravo!

 

[macrovol]

Comparing yesterday's performance against a Kentucky defense to those earlier in the year is silly. Still, I am excited about the Kelly potential for the future.

 

[Sandman 423]

Believe what you want. The issue with Hurd goes way back to this time last year.
If what Hurd put in writing is true, then we do know. Since this was discussed last year by several people close to the program and situation then I have no reason to doubt it's veracity. If name calling makes you feel better then congrats.

He wasn't name calling. He said you were talking out of your ass and unless you know "Lyle" and he told you what he said. You believe Hurd because it fits your narrative of coach Jones .

 

[smokey0625]

Hurd is an incredible athlete. He just isn't a RB. At least not in this offense. I think this whole drama could have been avoided.

Regardless, no one is to blame but Lyle Jones. If Hurd was a problem, then why was Kelly (and Kamara) absent from the offense?
Teams, just as talented, get 3 RBs carries in meaningful action. Kelly didn't show up in the regular offense until Hurd was injured. (Kamara, we can all agree, was criminally under utilized.) Yet, Kelly showed all last year that he would succeed in this offense.

I agree, Kelly is more productive. So is Kamara, and the stats bear it out. So why in the hell was Hurd pounded to a pulp over the last two years? Why not utilize him elsewhere in the offense? Even though Hurd had more carries than any tailback, at least half of his greatest highlights were catching the ball.

So, something doesn't add up. Lyle has poorly managed his roster, and he ought to be held accountable. How convenient that he has a scape goat in a disgruntled player. If we can see these obvious issues, then the team can as well.

Nobody but saban would have benched Hurd.

 

[sechamp2012]

Hurd is an incredible athlete. He just isn't a RB. At least not in this offense. I think this whole drama could have been avoided.

Regardless, no one is to blame but Lyle Jones. If Hurd was a problem, then why was Kelly (and Kamara) absent from the offense?
Teams, just as talented, get 3 RBs carries in meaningful action. Kelly didn't show up in the regular offense until Hurd was injured. (Kamara, we can all agree, was criminally under utilized.) Yet, Kelly showed all last year that he would succeed in this offense.

I agree, Kelly is more productive. So is Kamara, and the stats bear it out. So why in the hell was Hurd pounded to a pulp over the last two years? Why not utilize him elsewhere in the offense? Even though Hurd had more carries than any tailback, at least half of his greatest highlights were catching the ball.

So, something doesn't add up. Lyle has poorly managed his roster, and he ought to be held accountable. How convenient that he has a scape goat in a disgruntled player. If we can see these obvious issues, then the team can as well.

1. He knew what O they ran when he signed
2. He was on schedule to be the all time leading rusher at UT
3. This would put him above Jamal Lewis, Littleman Stewart, Travis Henry & Stephens and Arian Foster and other great's.
4. He could accomplish that in a O that didn't suit him and impress the NFL and move positions after draft if they feel the need but now he's a quitter.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Stop mentioning Hurd, please. Please. He quit on his teammates. The team appears much better for it. Move on. Please

Andre Ware was very frank with his opinion on Hurd. WTF was Hurd thinking?

 

[Boca Vol]

It's hard to run in a tuxedo.

That made LOL lulz!

 

[butchna]

Telecast had one interesting point. Believe it was Ware that recounted talking to DeBord about how the running philosophy with Kamara/Kelly is more straight ahead (downhill even) and that is a result of "not broadcasting our tendencies" (DeBord's words). Noticed that with the A&M game. Was it a side effect of Hurd taking extra time to get to speed? I just hated the waiting for the handoff and running sideways part of the scheme...took too long to change that IMO.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Telecast had one interesting point. Believe it was Ware that recounted talking to DeBord about how the running philosophy with Kamara/Kelly is more straight ahead (downhill even) and that is a result of "not broadcasting our tendencies" (DeBord's words). Noticed that with the A&M game. Was it a side effect of Hurd taking extra time to get to speed? I just hated the waiting for the handoff and running sideways part of the scheme...took too long to change that IMO.

I wonder how much of that was because Hurd couldn't fit through any hole that was open? (I know, I know, twss) There didn't seem to be a lot of running lanes for him and the ones that did open may have only worked for a smaller back. It could have made our O-line seem much worse and could also explain some of the reason our other backs are having much more success.

 

[butchna]

I wonder how much of that was because Hurd couldn't fit through any hole that was open? (I know, I know, twss) There didn't seem to be a lot of running lanes for him and the ones that did open may have only worked for a smaller back. It could have made our O-line seem much worse and could also explain some of the reason our other backs are having much more success.

Good points. I got excited at the POSSIBILITY of the offset I, mainly due to the desire for our RBs to run downhill and aggressively. Hate that it took so long, but if we get there with better fitting backs? All the better. :hi:

 

[TNnative]

Telecast had one interesting point. Believe it was Ware that recounted talking to DeBord about how the running philosophy with Kamara/Kelly is more straight ahead (downhill even) and that is a result of "not broadcasting our tendencies" (DeBord's words). Noticed that with the A&M game. Was it a side effect of Hurd taking extra time to get to speed? I just hated the waiting for the handoff and running sideways part of the scheme...took too long to change that IMO.

IMO, Hurd in HS was impressive because almost nobody could catch him. Hurd at UT faced bigger stronger and faster folks. Plenty of evidence (complaints of injury, "broadcasting tendencies,waiting for handoff, running sideways") to suggest Hurd was becoming gun shy.

Many of us were blaming the play calling. But how much of it was Hurd? If it was a player of lesser ability, we would have no problem saying he was afraid.