Joey Aguilar added as Plaintiff in Pavia suit

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BrianVol94 said:
You think Heupel is going to tell Joey to walk and we stick with Jmac next year?Boy if we don't make the playoffs and Joey goes to another Team and balls out.He is going take some heat,because his decisions on starting Milton over Hooker and the(Nico mess)has not been that great. He is lucky Joey fell into his lap this year ,without him im not sure how many games we win.I know alot on here wants Joey to move on and let our young 5 star QB's take over.It is a hard decision for Heupel but he is getting paid 9 million to make those.I would like to see what a 2nd year in this offense Joey could have.
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Dude he helped two QBs who were backups at other schools get drafted to the NFL. The stuff with Nico was Nico holding the team hostage and Heupel said "This isn't going to fly in my locker room. Get lost". Also Heupel recruited Joey Aguilar. He didn't fall into our lap, Heupel recognized qualities in an available quarterback that aligned with his offensive philosophy and recruited him. Everyone here was pissing and moaning that we weren't going after Altmeyer and Becht (EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER ENTERED THE PORTAL!) and were disappointed when we got Joey. You guys can try to rewrite history all you want, but I'm gonna call you out on your BS when I see it. I watch this team and this sport very closely. Heupel is a bonafide quarterback savant, and what he and Joey have put together without a spring practice and replacing 9 starters on offense is truly unbelievable.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Diego sued in Nov 2024 and it was mid December when a judge granted an injunction that would allow HIM to play. Later, the NCAA granted everyone in his situation the right to play.

If that holds true to form (and I'm not an attorney but I don't think they're bound to that timeline,) we can expect a decision before the end of the year.
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It’s likely to take longer than that unless the NCAA just says screw it and throws in the towel on this.

The judge tossed the NCAAs appeal in Pavia’s case as moot in Oct because he had already played half the season by the time the case hit the docket. So the case was never actually settled.

As for the question of likelihood, the NCAA hasn’t had much success in court and holding players to an NCAA rule for playing in an another association for which the NCAA has no jurisdiction seems like another antitrust issue for them.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
if JA moves on, GMac is the likely starter next year, no? He definitely has a leg up any way. If JA comes back, GMac is gonna think, we'll I can go somewhere and compete for the starting job. And someone will pay him more money than we will be able to becsuse JA will get 1st string money.
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What has GMac shown that he would get more money some place? He has potential but he won't be the only QB in the portal.
I think you're going to see even more starting QB's enter the portal paper chasing that means GMac would have to beat them out. Not to mention all the fired coaches moving around and bringing guys with them
GMac could transfer but if he can't be JA for the #1 spot at TN, what other big time program will he go to and compete for the #1 spot and the big programs are were the $ is
 
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I'm ambivalent about extending eligibility, but it's irrelevant to what I think about Joey Aguilar coming back. He's either eligible or he isn't. If he's eligible, I want him back.

If Aguilar's eligible I'm betting that having been a Juco transfer himself, Heupel isn't too concerned about the domino effect. Cross that bridge when you get there. If Merk, G-Mac, or Faizon think they're too good to sit in 26 or compete for the spot in 27, then best of luck in the portal.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Because you need a backup QB. Perhaps you're in the camp that Faizon Brandon is "so good he's ready to play" but I am not and most true freshmen aren't ready to start, which he would need to do if Joey A went down.

Your flippant "go get a QB from the portal" assumes we'd have a ton of SEC ready QBs to choose from out there. I'm doubtful that is true.
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Yes, I know. Yes, I know most fresh aren’t ready to play. I’ll try once more if you promise to read what is written and not what you think you’re reading.

If - if - Heupel thinks JA gives him the best chance to win of the three QBs he has, AND JA can get another year, you don’t NOT angle to play JA for fear of losing either JM or GM, whom you don’t think you can win with. You don’t sacrifice the starter for the backups. And whether you can find “SEC backups as good as JM or GM” through the portal is what it is.

That was the premise of the original response you read. NIL, portal, and now revenue sharing make this a messy, unsure situation to manage…welcome to college football.
Now explain what is your disagreement.
 
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UT97Vol said:
It’s likely to take longer than that unless the NCAA just says screw it and throws in the towel on this.

The judge tossed the NCAAs appeal in Pavia’s case as moot in Oct because he had already played half the season by the time the case hit the docket. So the case was never actually settled.

As for the question of likelihood, the NCAA hasn’t had much success in court and holding players to an NCAA rule for playing in an another association for which the NCAA has no jurisdiction seems like another antitrust issue for them.
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I wonder about the likelihood of an "injunction" which is what allowed Pavia to play and created the moot ruling?

I'm less concerned with the final ruling of the court on the case and more concerned with, like Pavia this year, a judge grants an injunction that lets them play BEFORE the case is actually settled, which seems to be what happened.

The legal end and NCAA final ruling are less important to me than whether Joey A might actually play, like Pavia did, via injunction.

I don't understand the ins and outs but in layman's terms most of these NCAA lawsuits seem to have gone like this:

NCAA gets sued for antitrust

The season is about to start so the player/school asks the court to "pre rule" on who is likely to win.

The judge rules against the NCAA and the player transfers, gets paid, whatever.

The NCAA caves and changes their rule.

So....... what's the chance THAT occurs, particularly that second part where the judge "pre rules" that the NCAA is useless?
 
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Rocky Top T said:
No he doesn't, he can leave if he doesn't win the starting job
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It’s more likely Brandon would leave if GMac won the starting job next year than if Joey won the starting job next year. Brandon sitting for a year, learning, and then being ready to start in 27, makes total sense for him. But if GMac starts in 26, the odds of him losing the job after that are slim because he will then have a season of game experience over Brandon.

Joey coming back makes it less likely, not more likely, that Brandon, transfers. It hurts GMac much more.
 
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NCFisher said:
Yes, I know. Yes, I know most fresh aren’t ready to play. I’ll try once more if you promise to read what is written and not what you think you’re reading.

If - if - Heupel thinks JA gives him the best chance to win of the three QBs he has, AND JA can get another year, you don’t NOT angle to play JA for fear of losing either JM or GM, whom you don’t think you can win with. You don’t sacrifice the starter for the backups. And whether you can find “SEC backups as good as JM or GM” through the portal is what it is.

That was the premise of the original response you read. NIL, portal, and now revenue sharing make this a messy, unsure situation to manage…welcome to college football.
Now explain what is your disagreement.
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Okay, your argument is: keep the best QB and let the others walk if they don't like it.

My problem is that Coach Heupel isn't just coaching one season and needs to have guys developing yearly, not just coming in in January, picking up the system, and doing what Joey A did (even though he's done well.)

Maybe it's completely dead in the NIL era, but one of the reasons for our success was that we have had good locker room cohesion, guys that grew into a unit together (remember Heupel's team building games,) and a strong sense of internal team leadership.

Seeing G-Mac kind of get "bumped out" after doing everything correctly, sweating and working with the team, waiting his turn, etc isn't good for team chemistry.

Next year's players would be watching Heupel NOT respecting the work, training, etc G-Mac has put in for the Vols and that's bad in the long run.
 
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cardvolfan said:
A number of reasons. I certainly am against the lawsuits saying JUCO’s should be able to play longer. It’s unfair to players who have taken the 4-year D1 route in some respects, it’s also a money grab in many ways, and chemistry-wise it makes team dynamics tougher. Add that to the fact that Joey has struggled more the 2nd half of the season than the 1st leads me to believe he’s not improving during the year. I personally would like to see guys like Merklinger, George, and Faizon get a healthy shot next year.
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Merk sucks man.
 
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One thing that isn't being discussed is that in my estimation CJH tries to keep the order of class, if that's the right way of stating it.

In other words, GMac has the advantage by default because he's been here for a couple of years when Faizon will be the new guy.

There may be an official QB competition between them, but GMac will be starting unless he is just straight trash (not likely).

I agree with the approach because it sends a signal to HS QBs looking at Tennessee that the QB room is stable and they can expect a real opportunity if they are patient.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Okay, your argument is: keep the best QB and let the others walk if they don't like it.

My problem is that Coach Heupel isn't just coaching one season and needs to have guys developing yearly, not just coming in in January, picking up the system, and doing what Joey A did (even though he's done well.)

Maybe it's completely dead in the NIL era, but one of the reasons for our success was that we have had good locker room cohesion, guys that grew into a unit together (remember Heupel's team building games,) and a strong sense of internal team leadership.

Seeing G-Mac kind of get "bumped out" after doing everything correctly, sweating and working with the team, waiting his turn, etc isn't good for team chemistry.

Next year's players would be watching Heupel NOT respecting the work, training, etc G-Mac has put in for the Vols and that's bad in the long run.
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Then GM needs to prove out the better solution at QB, doesn’t he? Except for guys like Boo, I assume they’re all putting in the work, and putting the guy out there who doesn’t give them the best chance to win is disrespecting every player‘s sweat, hard work. As well as fans and the program itself. All you possibly know each year is that when portal and signing days close, you have those guys for one year.

Earning the spot or knowing your place if you can’t, is a necessary team and life lesson. If JA is the best option because Heupel isn’t developing them, that’s ominous. If they simply don’t have the potential, well, many don’t pan out and sometimes coaches whiff an evaluation. You play the best guy; I think everyone associated inherently understands that.

In practicality, I’m not sure we disagree much.
 
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NCFisher said:
Then GM needs to prove out the better solution at QB, doesn’t he? Except for guys like Boo, I assume they’re all putting in the work, and putting the guy out there who doesn’t give them the best chance to win is disrespecting every player‘s sweat, hard work. As well as fans and the program itself. All you possibly know each year is that when portal and signing days close, you have those guys for one year.

Earning the spot or knowing your place if you can’t, is a necessary team and life lesson. If JA is the best option because Heupel isn’t developing them, that’s ominous. If they simply don’t have the potential, well, many don’t pan out and sometimes coaches whiff an evaluation. You play the best guy; I think everyone associated inherently understands that.

In practicality, I’m not sure we disagree much.
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We do agree a lot and I do feel "ominous" is a possibility. Still, can we really tell how much any coach is developing players in the portal era? We all want coach to "get us some defense guys from the portal" or "shore up the line from the portal" or, after Nico left, "we need a QB, at least for backup, from the portal."

You do play the best guy BUT that's almost always going to be the proven upperclassman you got from the portal, not your redshirt freshman QB, CB, etc.

It really does start to look like pro ball from a cultural standpoint. They're no longer guys going through school together but really paid pieces in a puzzle every year. I suppose that's why lots of schools are hiring a General Manager which takes some of the heat off the coach for "business decisions" and "team management decisions."

I don't like it. And get off my lawn.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
We do agree a lot and I do feel "ominous" is a possibility. Still, can we really tell how much any coach is developing players in the portal era? We all want coach to "get us some defense guys from the portal" or "shore up the line from the portal" or, after Nico left, "we need a QB, at least for backup, from the portal."

You do play the best guy BUT that's almost always going to be the proven upperclassman you got from the portal, not your redshirt freshman QB, CB, etc.

It really does start to look like pro ball from a cultural standpoint. They're no longer guys going through school together but really paid pieces in a puzzle every year. I suppose that's why lots of schools are hiring a General Manager which takes some of the heat off the coach for "business decisions" and "team management decisions."

I don't like it. And get off my lawn.
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That's where it's going as long as the portal and NIL continue to exist in its current form. Paying for the best team you can year in and year out.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
And if he sits behind Joey A in 26, can't beat out Faizon for QB1 in 27, he's unlikely to beat him out in 28 or 29 (if Faizon doesn't hit the draft.)

That's the point. G-Mac may get jumped if Faizon develops faster than him and only needs 1 year before taking QB1 from him.

He'd be betting on Faizon's development or actually his lack of development. Unlike true freshmen, who seldom start in the SEC, redshirt freshmen starters are more common and Faizon may be one.

If so, G-Mac will never start at UT.
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This^^^. If JA wins his appeal and returns to UT next season G-Mac will never start at UT IMO and transfers out after the 26 season.

That scenario puts us right back into the situation of needing a portal QB for the 27 season so this will a never ending cycle I am afraid.
 
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GetEmVols said:
Merk doesn’t have it as he has shown against subpar competition. Jury out on G Mac
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This a dumb comment. Merk may not have it but to say he has shown that clearly in live action is just idiotic.

He’s played zero time of significance.

It took 50 minutes against New Mexico State just to get the backups in. Lol
 
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