Joe Milton Throw by Throw Breakdown

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Pass 1: Throws on 2nd down and 9 to Jacob Warren after rolling out. Nice throw, pass was good for 4 yards.
Pass 2: Throws on 3rd and 5, hits Jalen Hyatt on a comeback route, stayed in pocket, good for 6 yards and a first down.
Pass 3: Threw on 1st and 10 to Javonta Payton at the sideline. Accurate throw, good for 6 yards.
Pass 4: Very next play, short throw to Javonta Payton again on the sideline, good for first down and then some.
Pass 5: 2nd down throw down the left sideline incomplete. Threw it too high for receiver Hyatt. However, there was a personal foul that may have impacted the throw. Play was negated

Pass 6: Scrambles outside of the pocket, extends the play, hits Fant on the sideline, accurate throw. Good for 6 yards.
Pass 7: 1st and 10. Overthrows Cedric Tillman by at least 7 yards. Tillman beat the DBs, but still an overthrow by Milton.
Pass 8: Short throw to Hyatt. Accurate, but Hyatt tackled immediately. Good for about 6 yards.
Pass 9: 1st and 10. Has an absurd amount of time, throws a strike to Hyatt on the left sideline, Hyatt makes a man miss gets the 1st and more.

Pass 10: Scrambles outside of the pocket, gives a strike to Jalen Hyatt across the middle of the field, again, absurd amount of time to throw.
Pass 11: Pass complete to Velus Jones, however, threw it a bit behind him, which led to an early tackle, and not much positive yardage or space to run. (This play was negated by a holding penalty)
Pass 12: Completed pass to Cedric Tillman, hit him right in the numbers, good for 8 yards. (The next play was the one where Tiyon was in the middle of the field wide open jumping up and down waving his arms, but Joe instead took a sack, leading to 4th down.)

Pass 13: Threw an absolute bullet across the middle of the field to Hyatt. Hit Hyatt in between the numbers but it was too hot to handle and Hyatt dropped it.
Pass 14: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball out of bounds. Play was negated due to flag.
Pass 15: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball into end zone. Gave Tillman a chance to catch it, but a Hail Mary is just about getting it there. There were 4 white jerseys surrounding Tillman.

End of 1st Half

Pass 16: Has all day to throw on 1st and 10. Overthrows Tillman by maybe 1-2 yards on what would have been a touchdown.
Pass 17: Threw to the sideline to Javonta Payton. Pass was caught, but with a foot out of bounds, therefore incomplete. This led to a 4th down.
Pass 18: Overthrew Tillman again down the right sideline, however, pass interference was called. Tillman had a shot at it had the defense played it clean.
Pass 19: Had all day to throw, scrambled to the left, threw to Hyatt about 6 yards downfield, but Hyatt caught it out of bounds.
Pass 20: Scrambled right, threw to the end zone at Hyatt, accurate pass, but the DB played it well and swatted it.
Pass 21: Threw to the endzone to Tillman from about the 12 yard line. Threw it too far to the front shoulder instead of the back shoulder. Jordan Rodgers commented about throwing it too far ahead. Incomplete.
Pass 22: Hit Hyatt perfectly right in front of the end zone, most likely would have been a touchdown. Hyatt dropped it, and he knew it too.
Pass 23: Threw to Velus Jones across midfield. Pass hit dirt, appeared too low. Incomplete. However, pass interference was called, so it's hard to blame it on either Milton or Jones.
Pass 24: Absolutely perfect 40 yard strike to Tillman in the end zone. Did a good job buying time in the pocket, and beautiful throw.

I realize all of this is basically my interpretation of his performance. I can't speak to how plays were supposed to go, or even which receivers were open that he missed, since TV didn't always show that.

But when I look at the passes he actually threw, he had an overthrow to Tillman that would have been a touchdown had he scaled back just a smidge (Tillman had his man beat). He had at least two throws that were impacted by pass interference or a personal foul. He had two perfect passes that were dropped by Hyatt. He overthrew Tillman by a yard or 2. He threw passes too far to the sidelines, just enough to where the receiver had to step out of bounds.

I can't comment on his rushing ability either. I don't know what plays were designed runs, and what he improvised. And I know there were some plays where he missed open receivers.

But, after watching it all a second time, I can't see where the hate is coming from. He had about two overthrows that could have been TDs. If he places that ball 3 feet behind Tillman on his back shoulder instead of his front, he would have had another TD. And had Hyatt not dropped the one on the 3 yard line, he would have had another.

Milton could have easily had a very different stat line in this game. Initially I was disappointed in his performance. But after watching it again? His throws were miles above what we were used to seeing from JG. He was throwing the ball accurately for the most part, and when he was off, he was not off by much. And aside from the fumble, he took care of the football. I didn't see any passes that I thought were "dangerous" passes, i.e. throwing into double coverage.

It's obvious he has a connection with Tillman, and if that timing and connection gets stronger, holy crap, that could be magic.

Milton won't have all day to throw like he did today in other games. But I think that may help him, as sometimes he took too long to make decisions, and then went for more ambitious throws than he should have.

My point? I don't think it was as bad as it seemed. He threw well. Not perfectly. But well. The receivers need to step up their game. And it's also obvious we tried hard to establish the running game.

I think it'll be alright. Next week will show us much more about who this team is. GBO. So nice to see the Orange and White back in Neyland again.
 
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So, his incomplete passes:
1. Overthrow by about 7 yards into the end zone to Tillman.
2. Hyatt dropped pass.
3. Hail Mary pass at the end of the half.
4. Overthrew Tillman by maybe 2 yards or less.
5. Payton caught pass out of bounds.
6. Hyatt caught out of bounds
7. DB played it well and swatted it away.
8. Threw to Tillman's front shoulder instead of back shoulder.
9. Hyatt dropped an absolute dime right in front of the goal line.
10. Pass was high to Hyatt, but there was a penalty on the play
11. Threw it short to Velus, but it was a PI call, so not sure if Velus would have caught it.

Again, my interpretation....but those could have very easily gone the other way.
 
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It’s the throws he didn’t make that worry me.
I can’t believe all them times he standing there holding the ball there wasn’t someone to throw to. Vision? Lack of confidence?
Good QBs need a narrow window to complete passes, average ones don’t attempt to throw into narrow windows
 
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Yes, the Satisfaction Level of VolNation would be a LOT higher if JM connected with Tillman on at least one of those two deep throws he missed, and if Hyatt caught two balls he dropped.

Couldn’t tell on TV if JM was failing to spot open Receivers. Might have been some route issues.

Not trying to sugar coat our sputtering passing game, but Bowling Green was content to leave defenders in coverage instead of stacking box. So at least our Offense took what was given- 300+ rushing yards and TDs.
 
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Pass 1: Throws on 2nd down and 9 to Jacob Warren after rolling out. Nice throw, pass was good for 4 yards.
Pass 2: Throws on 3rd and 5, hits Jalen Hyatt on a comeback route, stayed in pocket, good for 6 yards and a first down.
Pass 3: Threw on 1st and 10 to Javonta Payton at the sideline. Accurate throw, good for 6 yards.
Pass 4: Very next play, short throw to Javonta Payton again on the sideline, good for first down and then some.
Pass 5: 2nd down throw down the left sideline incomplete. Threw it too high for receiver Hyatt. However, there was a personal foul that may have impacted the throw. Play was negated

Pass 6: Scrambles outside of the pocket, extends the play, hits Fant on the sideline, accurate throw. Good for 6 yards.
Pass 7: 1st and 10. Overthrows Cedric Tillman by at least 7 yards. Tillman beat the DBs, but still an overthrow by Milton.
Pass 8: Short throw to Hyatt. Accurate, but Hyatt tackled immediately. Good for about 6 yards.
Pass 9: 1st and 10. Has an absurd amount of time, throws a strike to Hyatt on the left sideline, Hyatt makes a man miss gets the 1st and more.

Pass 10: Scrambles outside of the pocket, gives a strike to Jalen Hyatt across the middle of the field, again, absurd amount of time to throw.
Pass 11: Pass complete to Velus Jones, however, threw it a bit behind him, which led to an early tackle, and not much positive yardage or space to run. (This play was negated by a holding penalty)
Pass 12: Completed pass to Cedric Tillman, hit him right in the numbers, good for 8 yards. (The next play was the one where Tiyon was in the middle of the field wide open jumping up and down waving his arms, but Joe instead took a sack, leading to 4th down.)

Pass 13: Threw an absolute bullet across the middle of the field to Hyatt. Hit Hyatt in between the numbers but it was too hot to handle and Hyatt dropped it.
Pass 14: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball out of bounds. Play was negated due to flag.
Pass 15: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball into end zone. Gave Tillman a chance to catch it, but a Hail Mary is just about getting it there. There were 4 white jerseys surrounding Tillman.

End of 1st Half

Pass 16: Has all day to throw on 1st and 10. Overthrows Tillman by maybe 1-2 yards on what would have been a touchdown.
Pass 17: Threw to the sideline to Javonta Payton. Pass was caught, but with a foot out of bounds, therefore incomplete. This led to a 4th down.
Pass 18: Overthrew Tillman again down the right sideline, however, pass interference was called. Tillman had a shot at it had the defense played it clean.
Pass 19: Had all day to throw, scrambled to the left, threw to Hyatt about 6 yards downfield, but Hyatt caught it out of bounds.
Pass 20: Scrambled right, threw to the end zone at Hyatt, accurate pass, but the DB played it well and swatted it.
Pass 21: Threw to the endzone to Tillman from about the 12 yard line. Threw it too far to the front shoulder instead of the back shoulder. Jordan Rodgers commented about throwing it too far ahead. Incomplete.
Pass 22: Hit Hyatt perfectly right in front of the end zone, most likely would have been a touchdown. Hyatt dropped it, and he knew it too.
Pass 23: Threw to Velus Jones across midfield. Pass hit dirt, appeared too low. Incomplete. However, pass interference was called, so it's hard to blame it on either Milton or Jones.
Pass 24: Absolutely perfect 40 yard strike to Tillman in the end zone. Did a good job buying time in the pocket, and beautiful throw.

I realize all of this is basically my interpretation of his performance. I can't speak to how plays were supposed to go, or even which receivers were open that he missed, since TV didn't always show that.

But when I look at the passes he actually threw, he had an overthrow to Tillman that would have been a touchdown had he scaled back just a smidge (Tillman had his man beat). He had at least two throws that were impacted by pass interference or a personal foul. He had two perfect passes that were dropped by Hyatt. He overthrew Tillman by a yard or 2. He threw passes too far to the sidelines, just enough to where the receiver had to step out of bounds.

I can't comment on his rushing ability either. I don't know what plays were designed runs, and what he improvised. And I know there were some plays where he missed open receivers.

But, after watching it all a second time, I can't see where the hate is coming from. He had about two overthrows that could have been TDs. If he places that ball 3 feet behind Tillman on his back shoulder instead of his front, he would have had another TD. And had Hyatt not dropped the one on the 3 yard line, he would have had another.

Milton could have easily had a very different stat line in this game. Initially I was disappointed in his performance. But after watching it again? His throws were miles above what we were used to seeing from JG. He was throwing the ball accurately for the most part, and when he was off, he was not off by much. And aside from the fumble, he took care of the football. I didn't see any passes that I thought were "dangerous" passes, i.e. throwing into double coverage.

It's obvious he has a connection with Tillman, and if that timing and connection gets stronger, holy crap, that could be magic.

Milton won't have all day to throw like he did today in other games. But I think that may help him, as sometimes he took too long to make decisions, and then went for more ambitious throws than he should have.

My point? I don't think it was as bad as it seemed. He threw well. Not perfectly. But well. The receivers need to step up their game. And it's also obvious we tried hard to establish the running game.

I think it'll be alright. Next week will show us much more about who this team is. GBO. So nice to see the Orange and White back in Neyland again.

Great stuff. Thanks for taking time to break this down.
 
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Pass 1: Throws on 2nd down and 9 to Jacob Warren after rolling out. Nice throw, pass was good for 4 yards.
Pass 2: Throws on 3rd and 5, hits Jalen Hyatt on a comeback route, stayed in pocket, good for 6 yards and a first down.
Pass 3: Threw on 1st and 10 to Javonta Payton at the sideline. Accurate throw, good for 6 yards.
Pass 4: Very next play, short throw to Javonta Payton again on the sideline, good for first down and then some.
Pass 5: 2nd down throw down the left sideline incomplete. Threw it too high for receiver Hyatt. However, there was a personal foul that may have impacted the throw. Play was negated

Pass 6: Scrambles outside of the pocket, extends the play, hits Fant on the sideline, accurate throw. Good for 6 yards.
Pass 7: 1st and 10. Overthrows Cedric Tillman by at least 7 yards. Tillman beat the DBs, but still an overthrow by Milton.
Pass 8: Short throw to Hyatt. Accurate, but Hyatt tackled immediately. Good for about 6 yards.
Pass 9: 1st and 10. Has an absurd amount of time, throws a strike to Hyatt on the left sideline, Hyatt makes a man miss gets the 1st and more.

Pass 10: Scrambles outside of the pocket, gives a strike to Jalen Hyatt across the middle of the field, again, absurd amount of time to throw.
Pass 11: Pass complete to Velus Jones, however, threw it a bit behind him, which led to an early tackle, and not much positive yardage or space to run. (This play was negated by a holding penalty)
Pass 12: Completed pass to Cedric Tillman, hit him right in the numbers, good for 8 yards. (The next play was the one where Tiyon was in the middle of the field wide open jumping up and down waving his arms, but Joe instead took a sack, leading to 4th down.)

Pass 13: Threw an absolute bullet across the middle of the field to Hyatt. Hit Hyatt in between the numbers but it was too hot to handle and Hyatt dropped it.
Pass 14: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball out of bounds. Play was negated due to flag.
Pass 15: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball into end zone. Gave Tillman a chance to catch it, but a Hail Mary is just about getting it there. There were 4 white jerseys surrounding Tillman.

End of 1st Half

Pass 16: Has all day to throw on 1st and 10. Overthrows Tillman by maybe 1-2 yards on what would have been a touchdown.
Pass 17: Threw to the sideline to Javonta Payton. Pass was caught, but with a foot out of bounds, therefore incomplete. This led to a 4th down.
Pass 18: Overthrew Tillman again down the right sideline, however, pass interference was called. Tillman had a shot at it had the defense played it clean.
Pass 19: Had all day to throw, scrambled to the left, threw to Hyatt about 6 yards downfield, but Hyatt caught it out of bounds.
Pass 20: Scrambled right, threw to the end zone at Hyatt, accurate pass, but the DB played it well and swatted it.
Pass 21: Threw to the endzone to Tillman from about the 12 yard line. Threw it too far to the front shoulder instead of the back shoulder. Jordan Rodgers commented about throwing it too far ahead. Incomplete.
Pass 22: Hit Hyatt perfectly right in front of the end zone, most likely would have been a touchdown. Hyatt dropped it, and he knew it too.
Pass 23: Threw to Velus Jones across midfield. Pass hit dirt, appeared too low. Incomplete. However, pass interference was called, so it's hard to blame it on either Milton or Jones.
Pass 24: Absolutely perfect 40 yard strike to Tillman in the end zone. Did a good job buying time in the pocket, and beautiful throw.

I realize all of this is basically my interpretation of his performance. I can't speak to how plays were supposed to go, or even which receivers were open that he missed, since TV didn't always show that.

But when I look at the passes he actually threw, he had an overthrow to Tillman that would have been a touchdown had he scaled back just a smidge (Tillman had his man beat). He had at least two throws that were impacted by pass interference or a personal foul. He had two perfect passes that were dropped by Hyatt. He overthrew Tillman by a yard or 2. He threw passes too far to the sidelines, just enough to where the receiver had to step out of bounds.

I can't comment on his rushing ability either. I don't know what plays were designed runs, and what he improvised. And I know there were some plays where he missed open receivers.

But, after watching it all a second time, I can't see where the hate is coming from. He had about two overthrows that could have been TDs. If he places that ball 3 feet behind Tillman on his back shoulder instead of his front, he would have had another TD. And had Hyatt not dropped the one on the 3 yard line, he would have had another.

Milton could have easily had a very different stat line in this game. Initially I was disappointed in his performance. But after watching it again? His throws were miles above what we were used to seeing from JG. He was throwing the ball accurately for the most part, and when he was off, he was not off by much. And aside from the fumble, he took care of the football. I didn't see any passes that I thought were "dangerous" passes, i.e. throwing into double coverage.

It's obvious he has a connection with Tillman, and if that timing and connection gets stronger, holy crap, that could be magic.

Milton won't have all day to throw like he did today in other games. But I think that may help him, as sometimes he took too long to make decisions, and then went for more ambitious throws than he should have.

My point? I don't think it was as bad as it seemed. He threw well. Not perfectly. But well. The receivers need to step up their game. And it's also obvious we tried hard to establish the running game.

I think it'll be alright. Next week will show us much more about who this team is. GBO. So nice to see the Orange and White back in Neyland again.
The hate is cause he aint the 3rd string qb.


I was there...his performance was lack luster. But there's no doubt he has oodles of throwing talent. Im not as impressed with him as a runner.


I hope that the faster receivers will run under those deep throws. Tillman isnt a turtle but Hyatt and Jones are faster.

With that said...im.much more worried about this season than i was 12 hours ago



Of course i look back to the opener in 2018 and pray that im over reacting..
 
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Milton and the WRs need a very strong week of practice.

What I’ve found so far for PITT:

Opp yards per rush: 2.8
Opp yards per game: 102.8

Opp pass: % 56.69%
Opp yards per pass: 7.5
Opp pass yards allowed: 257.0
Opp INT thrown: 3.5%
Opp sacked: 11.11%

If those rushing statistics and the sacked percentages are accurate then we could be in for a long night..
 
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With no running game to speak of outside of a 247y day against GT Pitt ran for a season high 80 yards against VT.
 
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Missing the wide open receivers for touchdowns was bad, especially how far off he was.....The throw breakdown chart also doesn't take into account where he should have thrown the ball. Example, if there are receivers running open and he just tucks it and begins scrammbling. I wasn't at the game, but I have a hunch this happened alot. I'd give him a C- for the game. Also, surprised to learn that he's really not a runner, despite the narrative that he was.....Perhaps a scrammbler.

I think the rest of the team played well. He's going to have to be much better for us to win more than 6 games IMO.
 
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Joe still needs work. He was throwing to one specific side all night it seems. He has far better pocket awareness than JG but Joe struggles going through his progressions.
 
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Pass 1: Throws on 2nd down and 9 to Jacob Warren after rolling out. Nice throw, pass was good for 4 yards.
Pass 2: Throws on 3rd and 5, hits Jalen Hyatt on a comeback route, stayed in pocket, good for 6 yards and a first down.
Pass 3: Threw on 1st and 10 to Javonta Payton at the sideline. Accurate throw, good for 6 yards.
Pass 4: Very next play, short throw to Javonta Payton again on the sideline, good for first down and then some.
Pass 5: 2nd down throw down the left sideline incomplete. Threw it too high for receiver Hyatt. However, there was a personal foul that may have impacted the throw. Play was negated

Pass 6: Scrambles outside of the pocket, extends the play, hits Fant on the sideline, accurate throw. Good for 6 yards.
Pass 7: 1st and 10. Overthrows Cedric Tillman by at least 7 yards. Tillman beat the DBs, but still an overthrow by Milton.
Pass 8: Short throw to Hyatt. Accurate, but Hyatt tackled immediately. Good for about 6 yards.
Pass 9: 1st and 10. Has an absurd amount of time, throws a strike to Hyatt on the left sideline, Hyatt makes a man miss gets the 1st and more.

Pass 10: Scrambles outside of the pocket, gives a strike to Jalen Hyatt across the middle of the field, again, absurd amount of time to throw.
Pass 11: Pass complete to Velus Jones, however, threw it a bit behind him, which led to an early tackle, and not much positive yardage or space to run. (This play was negated by a holding penalty)
Pass 12: Completed pass to Cedric Tillman, hit him right in the numbers, good for 8 yards. (The next play was the one where Tiyon was in the middle of the field wide open jumping up and down waving his arms, but Joe instead took a sack, leading to 4th down.)

Pass 13: Threw an absolute bullet across the middle of the field to Hyatt. Hit Hyatt in between the numbers but it was too hot to handle and Hyatt dropped it.
Pass 14: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball out of bounds. Play was negated due to flag.
Pass 15: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball into end zone. Gave Tillman a chance to catch it, but a Hail Mary is just about getting it there. There were 4 white jerseys surrounding Tillman.

End of 1st Half

Pass 16: Has all day to throw on 1st and 10. Overthrows Tillman by maybe 1-2 yards on what would have been a touchdown.
Pass 17: Threw to the sideline to Javonta Payton. Pass was caught, but with a foot out of bounds, therefore incomplete. This led to a 4th down.
Pass 18: Overthrew Tillman again down the right sideline, however, pass interference was called. Tillman had a shot at it had the defense played it clean.
Pass 19: Had all day to throw, scrambled to the left, threw to Hyatt about 6 yards downfield, but Hyatt caught it out of bounds.
Pass 20: Scrambled right, threw to the end zone at Hyatt, accurate pass, but the DB played it well and swatted it.
Pass 21: Threw to the endzone to Tillman from about the 12 yard line. Threw it too far to the front shoulder instead of the back shoulder. Jordan Rodgers commented about throwing it too far ahead. Incomplete.
Pass 22: Hit Hyatt perfectly right in front of the end zone, most likely would have been a touchdown. Hyatt dropped it, and he knew it too.
Pass 23: Threw to Velus Jones across midfield. Pass hit dirt, appeared too low. Incomplete. However, pass interference was called, so it's hard to blame it on either Milton or Jones.
Pass 24: Absolutely perfect 40 yard strike to Tillman in the end zone. Did a good job buying time in the pocket, and beautiful throw.

I realize all of this is basically my interpretation of his performance. I can't speak to how plays were supposed to go, or even which receivers were open that he missed, since TV didn't always show that.

But when I look at the passes he actually threw, he had an overthrow to Tillman that would have been a touchdown had he scaled back just a smidge (Tillman had his man beat). He had at least two throws that were impacted by pass interference or a personal foul. He had two perfect passes that were dropped by Hyatt. He overthrew Tillman by a yard or 2. He threw passes too far to the sidelines, just enough to where the receiver had to step out of bounds.

I can't comment on his rushing ability either. I don't know what plays were designed runs, and what he improvised. And I know there were some plays where he missed open receivers.

But, after watching it all a second time, I can't see where the hate is coming from. He had about two overthrows that could have been TDs. If he places that ball 3 feet behind Tillman on his back shoulder instead of his front, he would have had another TD. And had Hyatt not dropped the one on the 3 yard line, he would have had another.

Milton could have easily had a very different stat line in this game. Initially I was disappointed in his performance. But after watching it again? His throws were miles above what we were used to seeing from JG. He was throwing the ball accurately for the most part, and when he was off, he was not off by much. And aside from the fumble, he took care of the football. I didn't see any passes that I thought were "dangerous" passes, i.e. throwing into double coverage.

It's obvious he has a connection with Tillman, and if that timing and connection gets stronger, holy crap, that could be magic.

Milton won't have all day to throw like he did today in other games. But I think that may help him, as sometimes he took too long to make decisions, and then went for more ambitious throws than he should have.

My point? I don't think it was as bad as it seemed. He threw well. Not perfectly. But well. The receivers need to step up their game. And it's also obvious we tried hard to establish the running game.

I think it'll be alright. Next week will show us much more about who this team is. GBO. So nice to see the Orange and White back in Neyland again.
I could say more on why I think Milton sucked but this should suffice.
140 yards against BG my dude.
140 yards.
Thats literally some JG ****.
 
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#19
JM needs better field vision and ball placement and improved touch on the ball.

Hyatt must get better at catching the ball and should be working overtime with jugs machine.

TN played a VASTLY inferior team.

I'm not as positive about our season as I was before the game regarding our Offense. Defense and Kick game were solid and played as expected.

It's early in the season and there is A LOT to improve upon.

Go Vols !
 
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Milton didn’t play as bad as the numbers suggest on only 23 attempts. Going 11/23 is not great, however when you account two drops, one of which was a possible TD, two passes that were complete but out of bounds, and one Hail Mary end of half throw that doesn’t mean anything…his numbers would look pretty good.

The biggest thing I saw is that we lacked explosive plays. Guys on the SEC network were talking about it. Part of that reason was Milton held the ball too long and made it difficult to get YAC for our WR’s….

and we just don’t have the game breakers at WR that the elite teams do. With good WR play Miltons numbers could have easily been 14 or 15/22 (take away the Hail Mary) with probably another TD and 100 more yards passing.

Either way I still saw an improvement over JG, and it gives me some confidence that Heupel’s forte is coaching QB’s. I truly believe we will be better at QB no matter who plays for us this year.
 
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#21
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You ever seen a QB with deader feet than Milton? Literally his feet are in stone until he decides to move. Most really good QBs at any level are keeping a beat in those feet until they set and throw.
 
#22
#22
So maybe we can put the “dual-threat” fantasy to bed. He’s not. He never was.

Big arm, no touch, holds the ball too long, can’t read the field. Groundhogs day for Vol fans.

I think Milton has promise, but he’s no program changer. I trust Heupel to find it, or make the necessary adjustment.

It’s the first game, and the guy got here this summer. Too soon for the panic button.
 
#23
#23
The stats don’t show the complete picture. It was the statue pose that concerns me. The SEC crew after the game were doing their best to talk up TN because we are an SEC team against an OOC team. But they were chuckling under their breath about how odd it was. They were not impressed either. At the beginning of the game they showed some of Miltons play while at Michigan. The knock they had on him was his lack of vision for both seeing open receivers and reading defenses pre-snap to know where the rush is coming from. That replay showed him get hit backside by a defender and losing the ball. Almost identical to what we saw in last nights game. SEC play will be tough if he doesn’t figure that out because the blitz will come. Especially if he isn’t more efficient in the passing game. They will play man and stack the box. Those throws that OP pointed out that were caught out of bounds, those are on the QB.
The other concern that stands out from the amount of time he took to throw is it appears he has issues throwing a receiver open. Instead he was waiting on the receiver to get open and then throw to him. This doesn’t work in today’s game.
 
#24
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Pass 1: Throws on 2nd down and 9 to Jacob Warren after rolling out. Nice throw, pass was good for 4 yards.
Pass 2: Throws on 3rd and 5, hits Jalen Hyatt on a comeback route, stayed in pocket, good for 6 yards and a first down.
Pass 3: Threw on 1st and 10 to Javonta Payton at the sideline. Accurate throw, good for 6 yards.
Pass 4: Very next play, short throw to Javonta Payton again on the sideline, good for first down and then some.
Pass 5: 2nd down throw down the left sideline incomplete. Threw it too high for receiver Hyatt. However, there was a personal foul that may have impacted the throw. Play was negated

Pass 6: Scrambles outside of the pocket, extends the play, hits Fant on the sideline, accurate throw. Good for 6 yards.
Pass 7: 1st and 10. Overthrows Cedric Tillman by at least 7 yards. Tillman beat the DBs, but still an overthrow by Milton.
Pass 8: Short throw to Hyatt. Accurate, but Hyatt tackled immediately. Good for about 6 yards.
Pass 9: 1st and 10. Has an absurd amount of time, throws a strike to Hyatt on the left sideline, Hyatt makes a man miss gets the 1st and more.

Pass 10: Scrambles outside of the pocket, gives a strike to Jalen Hyatt across the middle of the field, again, absurd amount of time to throw.
Pass 11: Pass complete to Velus Jones, however, threw it a bit behind him, which led to an early tackle, and not much positive yardage or space to run. (This play was negated by a holding penalty)
Pass 12: Completed pass to Cedric Tillman, hit him right in the numbers, good for 8 yards. (The next play was the one where Tiyon was in the middle of the field wide open jumping up and down waving his arms, but Joe instead took a sack, leading to 4th down.)

Pass 13: Threw an absolute bullet across the middle of the field to Hyatt. Hit Hyatt in between the numbers but it was too hot to handle and Hyatt dropped it.
Pass 14: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball out of bounds. Play was negated due to flag.
Pass 15: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball into end zone. Gave Tillman a chance to catch it, but a Hail Mary is just about getting it there. There were 4 white jerseys surrounding Tillman.

End of 1st Half

Pass 16: Has all day to throw on 1st and 10. Overthrows Tillman by maybe 1-2 yards on what would have been a touchdown.
Pass 17: Threw to the sideline to Javonta Payton. Pass was caught, but with a foot out of bounds, therefore incomplete. This led to a 4th down.
Pass 18: Overthrew Tillman again down the right sideline, however, pass interference was called. Tillman had a shot at it had the defense played it clean.
Pass 19: Had all day to throw, scrambled to the left, threw to Hyatt about 6 yards downfield, but Hyatt caught it out of bounds.
Pass 20: Scrambled right, threw to the end zone at Hyatt, accurate pass, but the DB played it well and swatted it.
Pass 21: Threw to the endzone to Tillman from about the 12 yard line. Threw it too far to the front shoulder instead of the back shoulder. Jordan Rodgers commented about throwing it too far ahead. Incomplete.
Pass 22: Hit Hyatt perfectly right in front of the end zone, most likely would have been a touchdown. Hyatt dropped it, and he knew it too.
Pass 23: Threw to Velus Jones across midfield. Pass hit dirt, appeared too low. Incomplete. However, pass interference was called, so it's hard to blame it on either Milton or Jones.
Pass 24: Absolutely perfect 40 yard strike to Tillman in the end zone. Did a good job buying time in the pocket, and beautiful throw.

I realize all of this is basically my interpretation of his performance. I can't speak to how plays were supposed to go, or even which receivers were open that he missed, since TV didn't always show that.

But when I look at the passes he actually threw, he had an overthrow to Tillman that would have been a touchdown had he scaled back just a smidge (Tillman had his man beat). He had at least two throws that were impacted by pass interference or a personal foul. He had two perfect passes that were dropped by Hyatt. He overthrew Tillman by a yard or 2. He threw passes too far to the sidelines, just enough to where the receiver had to step out of bounds.

I can't comment on his rushing ability either. I don't know what plays were designed runs, and what he improvised. And I know there were some plays where he missed open receivers.

But, after watching it all a second time, I can't see where the hate is coming from. He had about two overthrows that could have been TDs. If he places that ball 3 feet behind Tillman on his back shoulder instead of his front, he would have had another TD. And had Hyatt not dropped the one on the 3 yard line, he would have had another.

Milton could have easily had a very different stat line in this game. Initially I was disappointed in his performance. But after watching it again? His throws were miles above what we were used to seeing from JG. He was throwing the ball accurately for the most part, and when he was off, he was not off by much. And aside from the fumble, he took care of the football. I didn't see any passes that I thought were "dangerous" passes, i.e. throwing into double coverage.

It's obvious he has a connection with Tillman, and if that timing and connection gets stronger, holy crap, that could be magic.

Milton won't have all day to throw like he did today in other games. But I think that may help him, as sometimes he took too long to make decisions, and then went for more ambitious throws than he should have.

My point? I don't think it was as bad as it seemed. He threw well. Not perfectly. But well. The receivers need to step up their game. And it's also obvious we tried hard to establish the running game.

I think it'll be alright. Next week will show us much more about who this team is. GBO. So nice to see the Orange and White back in Neyland again.
Too wordy. Need a graph instead. Chop, chop.:cool:
 
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So maybe we can put the “dual-threat” fantasy to bed. He’s not. He never was.

Big arm, no touch, holds the ball too long, can’t read the field. Groundhogs day for Vol fans.

I think Milton has promise, but he’s no program changer. I trust Heupel to find it, or make the necessary adjustment.

It’s the first game, and the guy got here this summer. Too soon for the panic button.

Well, I still think he fits the "dual-threat" moniker more than JG did, but he's not Lamar Jackson in the running game, I agree.

The rest, I completely concur with.
 

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