Joe Milton discussion after game 1

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I’d say he was prepared…thus the rushing yardage. Players execute and this “disrupt” narrative goes out the window.

Define "execute" when you want to call a pass and the defense is in a drop 8/prevent coverage scheme. Should you: throw into traffic or wait all day for someone to get open? We saw both.

While I'll admit Milton missed some guys who DID get open, he was essentially staring at lots of doubled receivers for a good portion of the game. His completion rate has to suffer if they're only rushing 3 EVERY play.

Heupel started running, as he should've to make the defense come back to the box...... but they just didn't. As I've said, that's on Heupel because it seriously disrupted the tempo offense we easily scored with our first two possessions and Heupel never found a way to punish them running enough to make them stop the 3 man rush.

BG lost but they exposed that you can shake Heupel out of that tempo offense which looked so efficient on our first 2 possessions.

 

[USERNAMED]

Milton has a cannon arm and was reasonably mobile. He’s 2 or 3 throws away this game from having 5 total touchdowns. Any realistic VOL fan should be happy with any wins we get this year.

 

[butchna]

Define "execute" when you want to call a pass and the defense is in a drop 8/prevent coverage scheme. Should you: throw into traffic or wait all day for someone to get open? We saw both.

While I'll admit Milton missed some guys who DID get open, he was essentially staring at lots of doubled receivers for a good portion of the game. His completion rate has to suffer if they're only rushing 3 EVERY play.

Heupel started running, as he should've to make the defense come back to the box...... but they just didn't. As I've said, that's on Heupel because it seriously disrupted the tempo offense we easily scored with our first two possessions and Heupel never found a way to punish them running enough to make them stop the 3 man rush.

BG lost but they exposed that you can shake Heupel out of that tempo offense which looked so efficient on our first 2 possessions.

“Execute” as in complete throws and catch passes. They were there…we saw them. They weren’t struggling because of the shutdown coverage. Heupel ain’t throwing and catching, so I don’t get this “on” thing you’re spitting.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

“Execute” as in complete throws and catch passes. They were there…we saw them. They weren’t struggling because of the shutdown coverage. Heupel ain’t throwing and catching, so I don’t get this “on” thing you’re spitting.

So the tempo offense wasn't affected by the drop 8? It ran great in our first two possessions, then it sputtered when BG started the drop 8 but that's just a coincidence?

Re-watch and see. They start just rushing 3 and suddenly we're slowed down to zip offense until Heupel starts running. Running works but we're out of tempo. Passing doesn't work because they're in drop 8, heavy pass coverage.

Heupel never comes up with a way to make their D come out of the heavy coverage. We could run all day on them, but it cut off half our tempo and NO QB is going to have a good night throwing against a 3 man rush.

My point: our offense has got to punish the 3 man rush so we can keep the tempo up.

 

[butchna]

So the tempo offense wasn't affected by the drop 8? It ran great in our first two possessions, then it sputtered when BG started the drop 8 but that's just a coincidence?

Re-watch and see. They start just rushing 3 and suddenly we're slowed down to zip offense until Heupel starts running. Running works but we're out of tempo. Passing doesn't work because they're in drop 8, heavy pass coverage.

Heupel never comes up with a way to make their D come out of the heavy coverage. We could run all day on them, but it cut off half our tempo and NO QB is going to have a good night throwing against a 3 man rush.

My point: our offense has got to punish the 3 man rush so we can keep the tempo up.

Players EXECUTED in the first two possessions. Can’t “punish” them when you don’t. Dropped passes and overthrows slowed them down…not anything from Bowling Green. This ain’t the Mike Leach Air Raid. We HAVE a running game.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Players EXECUTED in the first two possessions. Can’t “punish” them when you don’t. Dropped passes and overthrows slowed them down…not anything from Bowling Green.

I disagree. Go back and watch. They adjusted against the pass, giving us the run, rushing 3, and we didn't start having success again until Heupel came out running heavily in the 2nd half.

Heupel's offense is built on speed, getting the defense out of position, and taking what you're given by the defense.

They gave us the run, went to drop 8 and stayed there. If the D doesn't respect your run and you don't break a bunch of monster gains, they will never be out of position and you're always stuck throwing into drop 8/prevent style coverage..... which is going to suck the life out of your passing game.

We averaged about 7yds per carry against a terrible Bowling Green defense giving us a 3 man rush most of the night. But mostly, they slowed us to a crawl by forcing us to look at heavy coverage or run.

 

[butchna]

I disagree. Go back and watch. They adjusted against the pass, giving us the run, rushing 3, and we didn't start having success again until Heupel came out running heavily in the 2nd half.

Heupel's offense is built on speed, getting the defense out of position, and taking what you're given by the defense. went to drop 8 and stayed there. If the D doesn't respect your run and you don't break a bunch of monster gains, they will never be out of position and you're always stuck throwing into drop 8/prevent style coverage..... which is going to suck the life out of your passing game.

We averaged about 7yds per carry against a terrible Bowling Green defense giving us a 3 man rush most of the night. But mostly, they slowed us to a crawl by forcing us to look at heavy coverage or run.

Zackly! “Taking what you’re given.” Yeah they gave us the run…and we took it! We still didn’t go one dimensional. I’m not seeing the problem…except execution. Subtract some overthrows and some dropped passes and it’s a complete offensive masterpiece. Course we can’t subtract…cuz it happened. But it wasn’t because the receiver was blanketed.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Zackly! “Taking what you’re given.” Yeah they gave us the run…and we took it! We still didn’t go one dimensional. I’m not seeing the problem…except execution. Subtract some overthrows and some dropped passes and it’s a complete offensive masterpiece. Course we can’t subtract…cuz it happened. But it wasn’t because the receiver was blanketed.

Then why did the problems with Milton's holding the ball all day and tough passing night START when they went into drop 8?

And why didn't we SERIOUSLY gash Bowling Green only rushing 3 guys for a whole bunch of big runs? I mean, Bowling Green..... rushing 3 guys..... a terrible defense giving you the line of scrimmage but we average about 7yds/carry?

 

[butchna]

Then why did the problems with Milton's holding the ball all day and tough passing night START when they went into drop 8?

And why didn't we SERIOUSLY gash Bowling Green only rushing 3 guys for a whole bunch of big runs? I mean, Bowling Green..... rushing 3 guys..... a terrible defense giving you the line of scrimmage but we average about 7yds/carry?

There was nothing HEUPEL did or didn’t do in his gameplanning that needs adjustment. And what world do you live in where averaging 7 yards a carry is remotely deficient?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

There was nothing HEUPEL did or didn’t do in his gameplanning that needs adjustment. And what world do you live in where averaging 7 yards a carry is remotely deficient?

A world where Bowling Green is giving you a 3 man rush. You should be 5 yards into the secondary minimum every single play against their 3 man rush. They're a certifiably terrible run defense WITHOUT just rushing 3 guys.

I'll just disagree. We're going to see teams disrespect our run because f-ing Bowling Green shut down our tempo and we tore off what.... maybe one 30yd gain against their 3 man rush?

If it worked for Bowling Green to slow the tempo to a crawl, what's gonna happen against even Ole Miss? The film is out there. They negated our tempo offense because the run isn't deadly..... even against a truly awful defense like Bowling Green with 3 guys up front.

Do you seriously think 7yds/carry is good against Bowling Green rushing 3 for most of the game? Bowling Green, not Bama....... Bowling Green.

 

[butchna]

A world where Bowling Green is giving you a 3 man rush. You should be 5 yards into the secondary minimum every single play against their 3 man rush. They're a certifiably terrible run defense WITHOUT just rushing 3 guys.

I'll just disagree. We're going to see teams disrespect our run because f-ing Bowling Green shut down our tempo and we tore off what.... maybe one 30yd gain against their 3 man rush?

If it worked for Bowling Green to slow the tempo to a crawl, what's gonna happen against even Ole Miss? The film is out there. They negated our tempo offense because the run isn't deadly..... even against a truly awful defense like Bowling Green with 3 guys up front.

Do you seriously think 7yds/carry is good against Bowling Green rushing 3 for most of the game? Bowling Green, not Bama....... Bowling Green.

You keep going with this “3 man rush” thing like a mantra. Ole Miss isn’t going to be willing to olè 300 rushing yards because they want to WIN. Bowling Green didn’t negate jack shizz. Our QB and receivers had plays drawn up for them all night and didn’t execute. 7 yards a carry is good against anybody…I know I know “rushing 3 rushing 3 rushing 3”

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You keep going with this “3 man rush” thing like a mantra. Ole Miss isn’t going to be willing to olè 300 rushing yards because they want to WIN. Bowling Green didn’t negate jack shizz. Our QB and receivers had plays drawn up for them all night and didn’t execute. 7 yards a carry is good against anybody…I know I know “rushing 3 rushing 3 rushing 3”

You think we're going to be able to run on Ole Miss like we did on Bowling Green, eh? Yeah, there's no difference in talent between those defenses.

What matters is tempo. We never got it back. If we're not in charge of the tempo, Heupel's offense isn't working.

You think we "magically" lost the tempo after two great first possessions gave us tremendous momentum and the opposing team's adjustments had no part in that. It's like poof..... we stopped being able to execute even though were doing it great before and oddly, we never really got back into our rhythm, but sure their defensive changes had nothing to do with it.

 

[tbones0711]

I don't care one way or the other who plays for us just as long as we win. But I trust JH to make the right decision. By all accounts, the competition wasn't close. And by all accounts HB wasn't close to starting last year until JG become so unplayable that JP had to make the change even though he clearly didn't want to.

There is this weird undertone in our fanbase that the coach is deliberately making it harder on himself by playing the worst QB we have. It is total nonsense. Sorry HB fans, the truth hurts. There isn't some mythical "my guy" screw job going on. He just isn't that good.

Give Milton some time. I believe he was 10-12 at one point for 100 yards before drops and penalties put us behind the sticks against a defense dropping 8. We won by 32 points and ran the ball really well. See what happens against Pitt. But the calls for HB are nonsense.

The competition was very close according to JH two short weeks ago, so I don't know how you're coming up with this "by all accounts" BS. Let it play out this season and HB will simply play here or somewhere else. Looking at Milton's play against BG if he doesn't improve quickly UT is gonna get the hell beat out of them in the SEC.

As for CJH, AD White will right the ship in due time. UT was in such a bind that no coach worth his salt was gonna come into such a mess.

 

[butchna]

You think we're going to be able to run on Ole Miss like we did on Bowling Green, eh? Yeah, there's no difference in talent between those defenses.

What matters is tempo. We never got it back. If we're not in charge of the tempo, Heupel's offense isn't working.

You think we "magically" lost the tempo after two great first possessions gave us tremendous momentum and the opposing team's adjustments had no part in that. It's like poof..... we stopped being able to execute even though were doing it great before and oddly, we never really got back into our rhythm, but sure their defensive changes had nothing to do with it.

Yes. Ole Miss is ass on defense. Why are they your default in this circle you’ve dug? Heupel wants to push the ball but he’s not going to pass up freebies when his quarterback and receivers are executing poorly. Any DC replicating Bowling Green in the SEC is shortening their resume. Receivers were running free and uncovered amongst 12 DBs and Milton had all day long…but yes it was their scheme.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yes. Ole Miss is ass on defense. Why are they your default in this circle you’ve dug? Heupel wants to push the ball but he’s not going to pass up freebies when his quarterback and receivers are executing poorly. Any DC replicating Bowling Green in the SEC is shortening their resume. Receivers were running free and uncovered amongst 12 DBs and Milton had all day long…but yes it was their scheme.

Ole Miss is Bama compared to Bowling Green when it comes to defense.

Can we agree we got taken out of our tempo offense or will you stick to the line that we had all the momentum and just suddenly "failed to execute" when we were doing fine minutes before?

You seem to want to give BG's defensive twist no credit at all in taking us out of the seriously good groove we were in. That's fine..... I disagree.

 

[butchna]

Ole Miss is Bama compared to Bowling Green when it comes to defense.

Can we agree we got taken out of our tempo offense or will you stick to the line that we had all the momentum and just suddenly "failed to execute" when we were doing fine minutes before?

You seem to want to give BG's defensive twist no credit at all in taking us out of the seriously good groove we were in. That's fine..... I disagree.

We agree that we disagree. We didn’t get taken out of anything. Our quarterback and WR’s didn’t execute. Throw and catch was there all day. Ole Miss can’t spell Bama…much less be compared to them.

 

[rocytop2624]

Alot of crybaby vol fans want to sit and cry after a dang win. You all deserve to be miserable.

 

[ZZ13]

NO QB is going to have a good night throwing against a 3 man rush.

Over the past 40 years I’ve seen many, many quarterbacks completely dissect the 3 man rush “prevent” defense.

 

[Sara Clark]

Not impressed after the first game, let's see what he's got against Pitt.

 

[Sara Clark]

Who cares? Our whole team is worse than what I thought.

Agree, at this point. The only reason we had a running game was because we played BG. Team will need to improve quick. For the life of me, I can't understand the thought process of "who cares we won, how can you complain?" Sometimes, how you win speaks volumes more than winning. Some can't comprehend that.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Speaking of back.....where have you been??

I saw Acuna in Tucson.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

BGSU is literally one of the worst football teams in CFB. Explain to me how I am being out of line for calling out obvious subpar QB play by UT in this game.

I stand by my post and if anyone can give me a rational explanation as to why the score is what it is, I'll listen.

Otherwise, keep drinking the koolaid.

I'll give a rational explanation. Joe played that way just to piss you off. I just love helping my fellow vols fans.

 

[Volz4lif3]

Sooo many armchair QBs in the forum. It’s too bad none of you guys went to the walk-on tryouts…
it was vanilla for a reason. I really believe we will here a different tune next week after Pitt.

Not arm chair here.. jus pointing out the obvious, my playing days ended in 94 high school..

 

[CAVPUT]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Milton didn't go thru spring ball did he? Maybe we can let the guy have more than one game before we pull the rug out from under him?

 

[MiramarVol]

I can’t say I disagree but if he stands in the pocket like he did last night, he’ll be very sore on Sunday morning...if he makes until then.
GBO!!

Can you not realize that the reason he stood in the pocket was because the 2-3 rushers were being blocked by our 5 OL and a RB? So, yes he had to find an open receiver who wasn't draped by one of the other 8 defenders. That's 3-4 receivers vs 8 defenders. It will take time to find or get someone open in that situation.