Joe Milton’s future

[JRich]

Guess we are lucky God blessed you with an athletic discernment gene. This kid has not shown the levels of arrogance that Winston did in his career unlike lots of arm chair coaches we encounter on these boards. I guess these posters will never “get it” either. Those that see value add in publicly trashing kids rather than letting the coaches with a complete fact set handle it are what they are. I was not blessed with athletic discernment, but was with impeccable poster analysis skills. Such a burden to bear.

He's a 21 year old man (not a kid) and by all accounts a good guy, but if I want to say he is more likely to find success at a lower level of competition, on an internet forum with a thread that someone created specifically about him, guess what? I can, and it's hardly trashing him. The comparison to Winston is based on Milton not being lucky enough to have the same level of talent surrounding him that Winston did at FSU to cover or minimize the impact of the mistakes he made.

 

[BeardedVol]

Guess we are lucky God blessed you with an athletic discernment gene. This kid has not shown the levels of arrogance that Winston did in his career unlike lots of arm chair coaches we encounter on these boards. I guess these posters will never “get it” either. Those that see value add in publicly trashing kids rather than letting the coaches with a complete fact set handle it are what they are. I was not blessed with athletic discernment, but was with impeccable poster analysis skills. Such a burden to bear.

Will it make you feel better if someone compares him to Jarrett Guarantano?

Both had multiple years at a P5 school, transferred after it was apparent that they were not going to keep the starting job after poor performance, and couldn't keep the starting jobs at their respective transfer schools.

Both also suffer from the same issues after multiple years in college programs, as they did as high school players.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Will it make you feel better if someone compares him to Jarrett Guarantano?

Both had multiple years at a P5 school, transferred after it was apparent that they were not going to keep the starting job after poor performance, and couldn't keep the starting jobs at their respective transfer schools.

Both also suffer from the same issues after multiple years in college programs, as they did as high school players.

I am ready for this to die a quick death. None of us will know until what ever happens, happens. Nothing good ever comes from speculating about theses issues except a whole lot of people being wrong.

 

[BeardedVol]

I am ready for this to die a quick death. None of us will know until what ever happens, happens. Nothing good ever comes from speculating about theses issues except a whole lot of people being wrong.

This is not "speculation", it's history.

Joe Milton's High School Football Stats

Joe Milton College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I am ready for this to die a quick death. None of us will know until what ever happens, happens. Nothing good ever comes from speculating about theses issues except a whole lot of people being wrong.

This guy may never get another chance to prove himself. HH on hand, new guy showing up and another great prospect on the horizon. He deserves respect for his attempts until he demonstrates a lack of character. On field failures are a risk we have to accept as fans. He may yet be called on as our best option. Coaches call. Not living up to our expectations does not justify cheap shots by guys playing with analytics or detailing failures under fire.

 

[508mikey]

for Milton Help wanted: Wyoming posts ad in search of QB

 

[DaddyChad]

This is the dumbest post of the day, and a contender for dumbest post of the week. You really think someone “refuses” to put touch on a ball? It’s like saying someone refuses to make a free throw in basketball. Every ball that kid throws is one he hopes the receiver will catch. Maybe we should a check his breaker box to see if he’s blown the “touch refuser”.

Agree honestly he’s just pushing too hard in game. Situationally it looks like he panics at times and doesn’t know what to do or has break down in mechanics. Like he does some good but it’s erased by how stupid some of his decisions are

 

[Hairy Vols]

Tennessee learned about the transfer portal last year.

Leg up on the SEC.

What you think is the worst thing that can happen to Tennessee Football.

I know you won't quit because that's what East Tennessee people do, but lay low on this one.

This is one of the weirdest replies I've ever seen.

 

[chattavol420]

Honestly… I kind of hope he will just transfer out. For whatever reason Josh Heupel has some affinity for him. Obviously it is his physical/arm strength. But Heupel should know better than to get fixated on some thing that is irrelevant if he doesn’t have all the other necessary tools. And he most certainly does not have the other necessary tools. Understanding angles and momentum, being able to make accurate throws at game speed, feeling where the pressure is coming from, the mental wherewithal to stay poised while going through progressions… He is just a really bad quarterback in every way that matters. He’s now started at 2 different places with really good players around him (and coaches with a history of developing qbs) and yet the results have been the same each time. In practice when none of that other stuff is in play I’m sure he looks like Josh Allen gunning the ball 100 miles an hour. But that arm strength just doesn’t matter really. I hope we never have to turn to Milton again. If he transfers out…we’ll likely see T Jackson as the back up next year. And even though he’ll be a true freshman I’d rather see him come into a game if need be than Milton.
Now I know a lot of guys will come on amd say he’ll continue to develop…bla bla. But he won’t. You don’t roll out of bed one day and all of the sudden have all those necessary intangibles. You either have it or you don’t.

 

[TennVols12]

Will it make you feel better if someone compares him to Jarrett Guarantano?

Both had multiple years at a P5 school, transferred after it was apparent that they were not going to keep the starting job after poor performance, and couldn't keep the starting jobs at their respective transfer schools.

Both also suffer from the same issues after multiple years in college programs, as they did as high school players.

“He who must not be named”

 

[CAVPUT]

I am very excited to have him back as our back up quarterback. You always hope you never have to use the backup, but you also don’t usually find one with so much experience. He seems like a good teammate. Hopefully he can work another off-season with Heupel and learn how to put some touch and accuracy on the ball. He definitely needs to work on that don’t get me wrong, I’m just saying it’s nice to have so much leadership and experience in the QB room. The football season is very long and you never know when you will need a key drive from your QB2.

 

[Other_Guy]

Joe's future is pumping my gas.













Jk whatever degree he is getting likely will instantly make more $$$ than I do.

 

[BACKDOC]

I am very excited to have him back as our back up quarterback. You always hope you never have to use the backup, but you also don’t usually find one with so much experience. He seems like a good teammate. Hopefully he can work another off-season with Heupel and learn how to put some touch and accuracy on the ball. He definitely needs to work on that don’t get me wrong, I’m just saying it’s nice to have so much leadership and experience in the QB room. The football season is very long and you never know when you will need a key drive from your QB2.

He does not throw it to the other team very often.

 

[Orangeglow88]

This is the dumbest post of the day, and a contender for dumbest post of the week. You really think someone “refuses” to put touch on a ball? It’s like saying someone refuses to make a free throw in basketball. Every ball that kid throws is one he hopes the receiver will catch. Maybe we should a check his breaker box to see if he’s blown the “touch refuser”.

Really, dumbest of the week?

I was warned about some of the attackers on this forum.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yeah a thread about Joe Milton. He plays for the team. Sorry you had to read on a message board.

Thread title could have been more informative. Let people know that "...was shot at a convenience store" doesn't follow that vague title.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I hope whatever Milton does it works out for him

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Honestly… I kind of hope he will just transfer out. For whatever reason Josh Heupel has some affinity for him. Obviously it is his physical/arm strength. But Heupel should know better than to get fixated on some thing that is irrelevant if he doesn’t have all the other necessary tools. And he most certainly does not have the other necessary tools. Understanding angles and momentum, being able to make accurate throws at game speed, feeling where the pressure is coming from, the mental wherewithal to stay poised while going through progressions… He is just a really bad quarterback in every way that matters. He’s now 2 different times are really good players around him and coaches with a history of developing qbs and yet the results have been the same. In practice when none of that other stuff is in play I’m sure he looks like Josh Allen gunning the ball 100 miles an hour. But that arm strength just doesn’t matter really. I hope we never have to turn to Milton again. If he transfers out…we’ll likely see T Jackson as the back up next year. And even though he’ll be a true freshman I’d rather see him come into a game if need be than Milton.
Now I know a lot of guys will come on amd say he’ll continue to develop…bla bla. But he won’t. You don’t roll out of bed one day and all of the sudden have all those necessary intangibles. You either have it or you don’t.

I'd rather keep Milton. We're one snap away from needing the backup QB, and with Milton here it takes a lot of pressure off of the freshman QB. Milton may or may not get better with another spring / fall practice under this staff, but he's still a serviceable QB even if he doesn't improve (much). Lord knows he's got the arm to make any throw. Someone teach this guy touch, right? So I hope he stays.

Yes, you can in fact have too many QB's, but it's a good problem to have, and right now the Vols are not "too deep", if barely two-deep, at any given position. I'd much rather have Milton on our sideline and not need him, than need him and he's on another teams sideline.

Go Vols.

 

[jtdavis]

I am glad Milton is back. He has all kinds of potential, he just doesnt happen to be able to run the offense as well as Hooker. I wish him nothing but the best and look forward to seeing him back in orange next year.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

The continued Joe Milton discussion is about to be as annoying as everyone's ridiculous infatuation for Harrison Bailey.


He will never ever be a damn tight end.

He will be our back up this next year and maybe start if he earns it in 2023.

Or he will transfer somewhere.

No one is saying he's incredible, but people are projecting so much JG paranoia when they discuss him and its just silly. We don't have to worry about Joe Milton. If he ends up playing he will either play decent or he will he benched PERIOD. We won't start him for years and years sucking like we had to endure with JG. Do we really want him to leave just so we have Tayven Jackson come in whether he's ready or not to get crapped on by UGA and Bama? Milton wasn't bad at all against UGA and he even delivered a beautiful deep ball to Tillman so we know that he can do some good things. He will have another year in the offense so the odds are he will be a more viable option at back up next year than Jackson. If he misses 80 deep balls again then Jackson will come in. If Milton leaves this offseason, how could we get a QB that we know would be any better? Why would any decent QB want to come here with a Heisman contender starter in Hooker and a coveted freshman waiting in the wings? It won't be a grad transfer. If it's a guy with multiple years then he knows he will have to sit next year and then compete against Jackson who was recruited to specifically fit this offense. You could also have a situation where Tayven Jackson is disgruntled if we bring in a viable QB with 2 to 4 years left.

Its the way it is. End of discussion.

We are very set at QB going into next year. Like about as good as you can hope for.

Hooker
Milton
Jackson
Shuler
Moore

Plenty of security and potential.

 

[508mikey]

 

[FLVOL_79]

I am glad Milton is back. He has all kinds of potential, he just doesnt happen to be able to run the offense as well as Hooker. I wish him nothing but the best and look forward to seeing him back in orange next year.

I thought he ran the offense fine, if not faster than Hooker. Its his accuracy that needs serious attention. Still hoping CJH can work miracles with Milton.

 

[TNnative]

I don't think his bad play is purposeful. I just believe he lacks the instincts and perhaps the aptitude to be a good QB. Let's cross our fingers for Hookers health next season.

Personally, just comparing Milton to Hooker, I feel Milton is probably a bit better athletically. However, I feel Hooker has the advantage mentally, and has better accuracy. As to instincts and aptitude, I am inclined to believe that if the proper light turns on in marble heads, at that age a player can fix those issues if they are pliable enough to adjust their game. But that might be a rare trait.

 

[keenobserver]

Personally, just comparing Milton to Hooker, I feel Milton is probably a bit better athletically. However, I feel Hooker has the advantage mentally, and has better accuracy. As to instincts and aptitude, I am inclined to believe that if the proper light turns on in marble heads, at that age a player can fix those issues if they are pliable enough to adjust their game. But that might be a rare trait.

You make some good points, but I'll disagree on Milton being able to figure it out and base it on primarily two things:

1) He'll be a 5th year college QB next season

2) the mistakes that he makes are about as dumb as a QB can make. I'm not sure that having Heupel explain to him why he can't step out of bounds on the last play on the 10 yd line with a 6-6 TE in the endzone will help at this point.

Perhaps it's not aptitude, maybe it's a lack of guts. Either way, something isn't right when the lights turn on and the pads start popping with him. I say this because he obviously looked good enough in fall camp practice to be named the starter.

Can he come in and lead a scoring drive? Sure....

Can he be counted on to win games for us and lead our team? I'm highly, highly skeptical.

 

[BeardedVol]

Personally, just comparing Milton to Hooker, I feel Milton is probably a bit better athletically. However, I feel Hooker has the advantage mentally, and has better accuracy. As to instincts and aptitude, I am inclined to believe that if the proper light turns on in marble heads, at that age a player can fix those issues if they are pliable enough to adjust their game. But that might be a rare trait.

There's literally hours of tape on Milton showing him to be less athletic than Hooker. Just rewatch the Bowling Green game for a refresher.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

You make some good points, but I'll disagree on Milton being able to figure it out and base it on primarily two things:

1) He'll be a 5th year college QB next season

2) the mistakes that he makes are about as dumb as a QB can make. I'm not sure that having Heupel explain to him why he can't step out of bounds on the last play on the 10 yd line with a 6-6 TE in the endzone will help at this point.

Perhaps it's not aptitude, maybe it's a lack of guts. Either way, something isn't right when the lights turn on and the pads start popping with him. I say this because he obviously looked good enough in fall camp practice to be named the starter.

Can he come in and lead a scoring drive? Sure....

Can he be counted on to win games for us and lead our team? I'm highly, highly skeptical.

I am looking forward to fall when CJH can with his depth chart answer everybody's questions about his potential unless some other program burns a counter for him to go elsewhere. If here and healthy and not the backup school will be out I would think. If he is we will be able to discount a lot of fans evaluation skills going forward.