Jim Cheney Vs. Derek Dooley

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Chaney seems to find a way to produce powerful offenses every where he goes, he has produced a great qb in breeze etc.. With the worse defense in the conference chaney's offense ranks one of the best in the conference and pretty high in the nation.

I do realize that its an entirely different thing being a coordinator and HC but in comparison Chaney has done his job consistently and brilliantly most of the time. Who would be the better head coach.?
 
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With the players on this offense who couldn't score heck just give C.P. the ball
 
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allvol21 said:
Chaney seems to find a way to produce powerful offenses every where he goes, he has produced a great qb in breeze etc.. With the worse defense in the conference chaney's offense ranks one of the best in the conference and pretty high in the nation.

I do realize that its an entirely different thing being a coordinator and HC but in comparison Chaney has done his job consistently and brilliantly most of the time. Who would be the better head coach.?
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unlike our current head coach has held 1 of the main Coordinator spots and did very well at it!
 
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My point was would we have been better off as JC as our HC calling plays, and hiring his own d staff.
 
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well we know he don't look the part lol just a thought he derseves credit by producing game in and game out while being on the field much less than the d and producing points every week.
 
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I like Chaney. Only complaint is that I wish he'd be more disciplined with the run game - especially in short yardage situations.

I keep remembering the wildcat play inside the red zone where Rajion Neal fumbled bad snap at UK last year.
 
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I use to really hate chaneys offense, but I am wrong. It really was an experience problem opposed to an idiot problem. Fooley probably messes him up in the end.
 
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Chaney sucks! He is extremly lucky he has amazing talent on the offense right now. He is way to predictable and his short yardage play calls are a joke time in and time out. I have been nothing but suportive of this staff, but c'mon Chaney does not belong in the SEC. He should have been cut last year I believe he would have had we not lost so many other coaches. I can't believe what I am reading here. What a Joke!
 
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TommyKnox said:
Chaney sucks! He is extremly lucky he has amazing talent on the offense right now. He is way to predictable and his short yardage play calls are a joke time in and time out. I have been nothing but suportive of this staff, but c'mon Chaney does not belong in the SEC. He should have been cut last year I believe he would have had we not lost so many other coaches. I can't believe what I am reading here. What a Joke!
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Leads SEC in almost all offense categories in a season where we are 0-5 in SEC !! And Chaney sucks ?? Why is he lucky to have amazing talent ?? He has been OC for last 4 years and he has recruited most of them. He brings the good talent in. Watch out for Nathan Peterman...he might beat Worley for QB. Most my florida fans are mad that Peterman was not as heavily recruited by TN. He is special.
 
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I'll give you that Chaney/(ahem)...Brees was a good combo and while the formations look the same it's really quite different. Brees was/is a quick decision maker, quick game passer, short routes.

Dooley, when he got here, said he wanted a pro style offense. That's not Chaney. Chaney was already here, Bray was a Kiffin recruit and Kiffin called the plays, not Chaney.

So you've got Brett Farve, trying to run the spread, with a HC who wants what Alabama does.

Chaney never ran a wild cat at Purdue, and he only had a back rush for 1000 yds. once. Brees avg. pass att./game was around 40+, and Dooley gets up post UF and says you can't throw the ball 40 times and win.

It is the very definition of a cluster frig.

Outback Bowl Jan. 1, 2000: Georgia v Purdue - YouTube

for perspective, we beat UGA that year by 17...37-20

All this to say that in the run up to and in the aftermath of the NC State game there was this: New philosophy calls for fast-paced, no-huddle offense » govolsxtra.com Mobile

around and around we go.
 
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volmandu said:
Leads SEC in almost all offense categories in a season where we are 0-5 in SEC !! And Chaney sucks ?? Why is he lucky to have amazing talent ?? He has been OC for last 4 years and he has recruited most of them. He brings the good talent in. Watch out for Nathan Peterman...he might beat Worley for QB. Most my florida fans are mad that Peterman was not as heavily recruited by TN. He is special.
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He hasn't recruited most of them. He recruits the least of any coach. Hinshaw has recruited by far the majority.
 
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""'Chaney seems to find a way to produce powerful offenses"""

yet he always seems to call bombs on 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2, 3rd and 4, etc. And the pass he called on 1st and 10 with a minute left vs SC was the worst call of the season.

I am not impressed.

The reason we have a great passing game is due to Tyler Bray and his corps of stellar receivers.
 
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Negateer said:
""'Chaney seems to find a way to produce powerful offenses"""

yet he always seems to call bombs on 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2, 3rd and 4, etc. And the pass he called on 1st and 10 with a minute left vs SC was the worst call of the season.

I am not impressed.

The reason we have a great passing game is due to Tyler Bray and his corps of stellar receivers.
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You might be right but you could also be wrong my friend and here's why...

I think CJC is too smart to call long passes so often on 3rd and short.

Now THINK....Bray has always known that he can't be pulled from a game because Worley isn't quite ready to take it all on just yet.

CDD didn't recruit Bray but he got stuck with him until Worley is ready.

Bray is still immature since he's dumb enough to throw beer bottles at cars and he's a spoiled brat so he doesn't always do as he's asked to do.

I really believe that CJC calls plays on 3rd and short and then Bray changes the play or just does as he pleases.

I think it's Bray since he loves to be a gunslinger and go for the long passes because he wants to impredd the NFL.

CDD finally got tired of the crap from Bray so he called him out and threatened to bench Bray in the USCe game if he didn't play well....results...Bray had the best game he's ever had against a top Defense because the USCe D is ranked 9th in the country.

I wish CDD had called out Bray long ago and we just might have Wins against UGA, USCe and MSU and maybe against floriDUHHHH too but not bama unfortunately.

There's a huge difference in being a Coordinator and a Head Coach.

Head Coach has lots more things to manage and run besides coaching football so a HC also has to be a well organised manager and CDD is good at that but many Coordinators fail miserable at trying to be a good HC because they don't have the management skills.

Another example is nick saTan at abama....He's a detail oriented manager BUT he's always been mostly a Defence guy so he has a DC but saTan mostly runs the Defence because he knows a great D wins lots of games and Championships but on the O saTan hires a good OC and O assistants and he doesn't do much else with the O and lots of good Head Coaches are the same way...they specialise in either the D or the O and when they become a HC they hire a good coordinatir to run the side he's not great at and focuses on what he is good at.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Negateer said:
And the pass he called on 1st and 10 with a minute left vs SC was the worst call of the season.
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If Clowney was blocked and Bray never fumbled it from a blindside hit and he actually threw a TD that play... you would be singing his praises. The O was on fire and was moving the ball down the field. Bray was on fire that game. You give him the chance to make the play before you line up and kick the FG.

That play call was completely justified.

If TN just ran the ball 3 times and then kicked a FG to tie it... but then lost in OT, you would be on here crying about how Dooley has no balls and just ran the ball 3 times to settle for OT.

Your username suits you.
 
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vol66 said:
I'll give you that Chaney/(ahem)...Brees was a good combo and while the formations look the same it's really quite different. Brees was/is a quick decision maker, quick game passer, short routes.

Dooley, when he got here, said he wanted a pro style offense. That's not Chaney. Chaney was already here, Bray was a Kiffin recruit and Kiffin called the plays, not Chaney.

So you've got Brett Farve, trying to run the spread, with a HC who wants what Alabama does.

Chaney never ran a wild cat at Purdue, and he only had a back rush for 1000 yds. once. Brees avg. pass att./game was around 40+, and Dooley gets up post UF and says you can't throw the ball 40 times and win.

It is the very definition of a cluster frig.

Outback Bowl Jan. 1, 2000: Georgia v Purdue - YouTube

for perspective, we beat UGA that year by 17...37-20

All this to say that in the run up to and in the aftermath of the NC State game there was this: New philosophy calls for fast-paced, no-huddle offense » govolsxtra.com Mobile

around and around we go.
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One of the best posts on this side of the board in awhile.

Chaney is not a good fit in the SEC at all. His play-calling is dubious, and his offense has had several chances to win games this year, and capitulated every time. He has done nothing to develop Bray, and the "philosophy" kept the O-line development back and failed to recognize we have a solid SEC running game.

Yes, the defense has not helped, but the obverse is the offense has not helped the defense at all. Two sustained scoring drives all season against the teams that matter. Zero points when there was a chance to win the game.

Chaney is an X-box hero, nothing more.
 
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