JG just can’t play good

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EastTNVol6240 said:
I don’t think any of us know the answer to that question. I think if the coaches didn’t think it was a possibility they wouldn’t waste the time and resources on him. You never know with recruits. We’ve had some prized recruits do nothing special, and we’ve had some middle ground recruits play great ball for us. It’s hard to tell what these kids will do until they get the proper coaching and resources. You have no idea what the coaches were thinking when they recruited these kids. I don’t think for one second these coaches recruit kids thinking they’ll only be 3rd-4th string. If so then those coaches need to be fired. Of course coaches know some kids are more talented than others. But this is an elite football school, at least I hope we’re heading back in that direction. These coaches aren’t wasting recruiting time, effort, and scollies on kids that they think could never compete for positions at the university. If that’s what you’re saying, it makes 0 sense.
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Coaches have ALWAYS recruited backups, always have and always will.
 
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Coaches know that some of the players they are recruiting will be back ups, of course. But at this tier in football I refuse to believe that they recruit kids not thinking their is a chance they could play for the university at some point and time. Your being ridiculous. These coaches don’t recruit bums knowing they will never see the field. That would be a complete waste of time and money. They recruit kids and then give them resources. From there the creme rises to the top as they say. Without competition at position, our team would never improve.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And in Maurer's case you are guarnateeing as gospel that is why he was recruited to Tennessee. Were you involved in his recruitment since you obviously know so much about his conversations with Pruitt and Co?
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Pretty much common sense if you know anything at all about recruiting and building a college team. Here's another name for you, young Tua will very likely never be the starting QB at Alabama and was never really considered starting material there.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I’m not JG fan but you’re completely wrong to say we were in the UGA because of Maurer. The defense kept it a two score game by forcing 3 punts in the third quarter and the offense could not do anything. Maurer provided a first half spark but played less than good in second half. Stevie Wonder even saw that.
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Did Stevie Wonder also see we were playing Ga. probably the best defensive team in sec. and that it was Maurer's 1st start, and he was a freshmen.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Coaches know that some of the players they are recruiting will be back ups, of course. But at this tier in football I refuse to believe that they recruit kids not thinking their is a chance they could play for the university at some point and time. Your being ridiculous. These coaches don’t recruit bums knowing they will never see the field. That would be a complete waste of time and money. They recruit kids and then give them resources. From there the creme rises to the top as they say. Without competition at position, our team would never improve.
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We've had 10-15 QBs over the last 20 years that never saw the field other than a couple of games and I personally think every single one of them were recruited to be backups. Sometimes just having numbers at a position encourages competition.
 
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If you knew half of what you thought you did we’d all be rich. Do you think when they recruited JG they knew he would massively underperform? He was what, the supposed 2 or 3 dual threat coming out of high school? You think they knew he’d pretty well never serve us as a dual threat. You think they knew it looks like he runs about a 5.5 40 and appears slower that 300 lb DL? Funny how stuff doesn’t work out the way it’s planned huh?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Pretty much common sense if you know anything at all about recruiting and building a college team. Here's another name for you, young Tua will very likely never be the starting QB at Alabama and was never really considered starting material there.
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Wrong.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And each year there has been a different OC with a different offensive scheme. Let's hope we keep this OC and the bulk of the staff on that side of the ball next year. The inconsistencies have not been just at QB .. but with the OL and other key positions on that side of the ball.

As for scoring output - some offensive game plans are not meant to score a lot of points - so quit comparing what Tennessee does to the teams that MUST SCORE a lot of points because their defense is really bad.
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Well; not often, but this time I agree with you on this. Some offensive game plans are not meant to score a lot of points. If you have a run, control the clock offense, don't have turnovers, and rely on defense to win. It is not built to score a lot of points, and that is what some coaches want. If this is the type of offense Pruitt wants, and it appears it is, then jg is the best option for that type of offense for us because of his expierence and knowledge of the offense.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
If you knew half of what you thought you did we’d all be rich. Do you think when they recruited JG they knew he would massively underperform? He was what, the supposed 2 or 3 dual threat coming out of high school? You think they knew he’d pretty well never serve us as a dual threat. You think they knew it looks like he runs about a 5.5 40 and appears slower that 300 lb DL? Funny how stuff doesn’t work out the way it’s planned huh?
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Why do you guys continue to harp on him being highly rated as a dual threat? It has absolutely nothing to do with how he's been coached nor does it have anything to do with how he plays. You act like JG had a say so in those rankings. Holy Hell, I can't believe a recruiting service messed up in rating a player. I'm curious, where were you rated talent wise in your form of work before going there and why does that matter in the job you perform today?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
We've had 10-15 QBs over the last 20 years that never saw the field other than a couple of games and I personally think every single one of them were recruited to be backups. Sometimes just having numbers at a position encourages competition.
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Of course we have. Every school has. It’s the way it works. But coaches don’t recruit these kids if they don’t think they’re serviceable. Not at this level. Recruiting is sometimes a shitshow. Some pan out. Some don’t. But they dont recruit bums. They recruit kids that have a chance, and the best prevails. How do you explain Fromm and Georgia’s situation the past few years? Which off those were purely recruited as “back ups”? Exactly. They recruited kids that could play and the best rose to the top. It didn’t mean the others were only qualified as backups. It meant they recruited and ended up with a few serviceable QB. I don’t think they kept the best, but that’s a whole different conversation.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Why do you guys continue to harp on him being highly rated as a dual threat? It has absolutely nothing to do with how he's been coached nor does it have anything to do with how he plays. You act like JG had a say so in those rankings. Holy Hell, I can't believe a recruiting service messed up in rating a player. I'm curious, where were you rated talent wise in your form of work before going there and why does that matter in the job you perform today?
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His play in HS obviously got him some, if not most of that DT rating. If you dint want to talk about that we can talk about the other places he’s underperformed. Which is everywhere. Point being that ranking/recruiting system isn’t always foolproof. No one recruits a kid knowing he will be a bum. They get recruited, then they get the coaching opportunities and resources. From there the best rise to starting positions. You do know we’ve had less coveted recruits perform better than higher level recruits, right?
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Of course we have. Every school has. It’s the way it works. But coaches don’t recruit these kids if they don’t think they’re serviceable. Not at this level. Recruiting is sometimes a shitshow. Some pan out. Some don’t. But they dont recruit bums. They recruit kids that have a chance, and the best prevails. How do you explain Fromm and Georgia’s situation the past few years? Which off those were purely recruited as “back ups”? Exactly. They recruited kids that could play and the best rose to the top. It didn’t mean the others were only qualified as backups. It meant they recruited and ended up with a few serviceable QB. I don’t think they kept the best, but that’s a whole different conversation.
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We have coaches call our office nearly every day looking to fill spots with project types as well as big bodies, at every level. Right now there are only a few schools with the prestige to haul in nothing but 4 and 5 stars, they are named Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State and Ga, THAT'S IT. With our dismal record in both '18 and '19 I'm tickled to death with the project QBs our QB room was able to add the last 2 years as it has built quality depth. I'm also happy that our coach is capable of recruiting 6'5 235 lb BLUE CHIP type starting QBs as well as the 3 star guy with special skills who can help with depth down the road.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Yes, we will see. Everyone moaning about JG now are the same ones that said we would never beat UAB, SC, MIZZ, KY, Vandy or Indiana if JG played yet somehow we did. If we somehow beat Ok and FL early next year with JG playing QB what excuses will the neverJG crowd have then?
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If we do I will admit my mistake. If jg doesn't play and maurer or shrout plays and we are in strong contention for sec east champ, would you say you made a mistake??
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
His play in HS obviously got him some, if not most of that DT rating. If you dint want to talk about that we can talk about the other places he’s underperformed. Which is everywhere. Point being that ranking/recruiting system isn’t always foolproof. No one recruits a kid knowing he will be a bum. They get recruited, then they get the coaching opportunities and resources. From there the best rise to starting positions. You do know we’ve had less coveted recruits perform better than higher level recruits, right?
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It hasn't happened very often at the QB position, it's actually been the exact opposite over the years.
 
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cgrish said:
If we do I will admit my mistake. If jg doesn't play and maurer or shrout plays and we are in strong contention for sec east champ, would you say you made a mistake??
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I would say that a miracle has happened. You're the main one, that said EVERY SINGLE game that if JG played we would not win and you were terribly wrong and you continue to double down on the same speculation. I don't have any idea what they would do if given the chance next season, I do know how many games they won for us this year though.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
We have coaches call our office nearly every day looking to fill spots with project types as well as big bodies, at every level. Right now there are only a few schools with the prestige to haul in nothing but 4 and 5 stars, they are named Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State and Ga, THAT'S IT. With our dismal record in both '18 and '19 I'm tickled to death with the project QBs our QB room was able to add the last 2 years as it has built quality depth. I'm also happy that our coach is capable of recruiting 6'5 235 lb BLUE CHIP type starting QBs as well as the 3 star guy with special skills who can help with depth down the road.
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Somehow you claim to know Maurer was recruited to sit the bench. Wish I had the resources you did. Maurer wasn’t great this year, but he wasn’t any worse than JG. The flashes he had were better than JG, and the decisions he made were right on par with JG. I hope HB is the answer early, but if not I think Maurer can beat out JG with an off season. JG has shown his ceiling, and Maurer has not. Either way, JG won’t be leading us next year.
 
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cgrish said:
Well; not often, but this time I agree with you on this. Some offensive game plans are not meant to score a lot of points. If you have a run, control the clock offense, don't have turnovers, and rely on defense to win. It is not built to score a lot of points, and that is what some coaches want. If this is the type of offense Pruitt wants, and it appears it is, then jg is the best option for that type of offense for us because of his expierence and knowledge of the offense.
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This, I can absolutely agree with.
 
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volfan411 said:
I think BM transfers after spring ball. I have said in the other thread that Kiffin recruited him heavily in HS and wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t already in his ear.
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And if he does go to ole miss. you will see what we had. He will be a very good qb, I just hope its here
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Somehow you claim to know Maurer was recruited to sit the bench. Wish I had the resources you did. Maurer wasn’t great this year, but he wasn’t any worse than JG. The flashes he had were better than JG, and the decisions he made were right on par with JG. I hope HB is the answer early, but if not I think Maurer can beat out JG with an off season. JG has shown his ceiling, and Maurer has not. Either way, JG won’t be leading us next year.
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I agree, he has shown his ceiling potential but I think it's a ridiculous statement to say he's reached it. His performances vs Auburn in '18, Ky the last 2 years, the SC and Miss St games this year as well as gutty performances while he was playing bad vs Vandy and Indiana this season are his ceiling. He was serviceable this year in a successful season and I believe he can be next year as well.
BMs decision making was his worse QB trait this year, tbh it was historically bad when compared to other QBs in the league and past UT QBs.
 
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Needs to go to the School for Quarterbacks Who Can't Play Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Somehow you claim to know Maurer was recruited to sit the bench. Wish I had the resources you did. Maurer wasn’t great this year, but he wasn’t any worse than JG. The flashes he had were better than JG, and the decisions he made were right on par with JG. I hope HB is the answer early, but if not I think Maurer can beat out JG with an off season. JG has shown his ceiling, and Maurer has not. Either way, JG won’t be leading us next year.
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I don't claim to know anything specifically about BMs recruitment, I just know he fits the bill of 100s of project backup QBs that coaches have taken a flyer on. BM is not any better than the Schaffer kid we had several years ago. He got a couple of starts and was never heard from again, it'll be the same thing with Maurer I predict.
 
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