JG = Jonathan Crompton 2.0?

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RoaminVol said:
I think so. Thoughts?
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JG has always been better than Crompton. JGs worst stats are better than Cromptons best. JG has always had better arm talent than Crompton and JGs production has always been better than Cromptons. JG is and always has been a better QB than Crompton. No I don't think JG will reverse course and become as incompetent a QB as Crompton was.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
JG has always been better than Crompton. JGs worst stats are better than Cromptons best. JG has always had better arm talent than Crompton and JGs production has always been better than Cromptons. JG is and always has been a better QB than Crompton. No I don't think JG will reverse course and become as incompetent a QB as Crompton was.
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There come back story are awfully similar
 
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GAVol said:
JG may have had issues, but he never approached the depths Crompton did in 2008 and the first couple of games of 2009.
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Gotta disagree there. 2008 Crompton was even cringing at what JG put on the field against Florida.
 
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RoaminVol said:
I think so. Thoughts?
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Both overcame poor play. JG...good lord, has had 4 OC's....4. Think it took half a season to "get" Chaney's system...at least that's what I think...he was missing way too many passes that he'd made last year, which initially just thought he regressed...but maybe he was "thinking" too much because the system was new. Regardless, feel good for JG to be hitting his stride.
 
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Crompton started off garbage then had a great SR season, right?
JG has been up and down all his career.
 
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Other_Guy said:
I don't think I've ever seen JG throw the ball out of bounds on 4th down.
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and about 20 rows up into the stands

One of my least favorite Crompton moments was Auburn 2008, perhaps the ugliest game in the history of football. Neither team could score. I was sitting at about the 10 yard line, had a perfect view of Crompton trying to hand the ball off. An Auburn DL broke through the line and you could literally see the fear in Crompton's eyes, he froze up, completely bungled the hand off at about the 2 or 3 yard line and Auburn scored shortly thereafter. I knew the minute he turned to hand off that he was going to fumble, you could just see it in his face and body language. That play ended up being the difference in the game. just awful. He did have a very good senior year after about the 4th game or so though.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
JG has always been better than Crompton. JGs worst stats are better than Cromptons best. JG has always had better arm talent than Crompton and JGs production has always been better than Cromptons. JG is and always has been a better QB than Crompton. No I don't think JG will reverse course and become as incompetent a QB as Crompton was.
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First, purely subjective evaluation that ignored a lot of factors.

In his Sr year, Crompton threw for 2800 yards and 27 TD's. He went over 200 yds passing in 9 of his 13 games as a Sr including #1 Bama. JG has thrown 31 TD passes in 3 years. He's passed for 200+ yds 7 times in 3 years.

Both are/were prone to doing boneheaded things from time to time.


Second, that wasn't even the point. The point was actually complimentary. Crompton arrived with high expectations and through a series of circumstances ended up being hated (in a real sense) and having shattered confidence. JG appears to have finally gotten past his mental and confidence issues and is playing well. Both experienced a huge turn around.

BOTH were turned around with Chaney as OC.
 
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sjt18 said:
First, purely subjective evaluation that ignored a lot of factors.

Second, that wasn't even the point. The point was actually complimentary. Crompton arrived with high expectations and through a series of circumstances ended up being hated (in a real sense) and having shattered confidence. JG appears to have finally gotten past his mental and confidence issues and is playing well.

BOTH were turned around with Chaney as OC.
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There is no comparison in the 2 talent wise I feel. The only comparison is that our fanbase did indeed mistreat both of them. Crompton has never had close to the success JG has had just in games vs Aub, Ky and Mizz. That doesn't mean JG is a superstar it just means that Crompton never accomplished much in Knoxville. Crompton should be compared to Worley before ever being compared to a guy that's probably going to be top 5 in every career Tn QB stat before he's done.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
There is no comparison in the 2 talent wise I feel.
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That's the problem. But on talent. Crompton had a ton of physical talent. IIRC, he was more heavily recruited than JG. Like JG... it was a long time before things clicked between his ears.

The only comparison is that our fanbase did indeed mistreat both of them. Crompton has never had close to the success JG has had just in games vs Aub, Ky and Mizz.
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LOL... what? Crompton put up 265 yds vs Bama in 2009. They had one of the best D's in the history of CFB that year. None of the 3 you mention come close to that.

But then that's before you even look at the receivers each has had. Gerald Jones, Denarius Moore, and Quintin Hancock were the top 3 WR's in 2009. They simply don't compare in talent to MC, JG, and Palmer.

That doesn't mean JG is a superstar it just means that Crompton never accomplished much in Knoxville. Crompton should be compared to Worley before ever being compared to a guy that's probably going to be top 5 in every career Tn QB stat before he's done.
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Dude. If that happens it will be more because he started when he shouldn't have been a starter than because he's better than Crompton, Worley, or anyone else.

I'm pleased as plum that he's turning things around... but I won't pretend he's been "good" before now. He's mainly just been "there".
 
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PS- Crompton did NOT accomplish as much as his talent should have enabled him to accomplish. He also didn't come along mentally or emotionally very quickly or well. But to say there is "no comparison" talent wise is simply inaccurate. Both had/have tremendous physical talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's the problem. But on talent. Crompton had a ton of physical talent. IIRC, he was more heavily recruited than JG. Like JG... it was a long time before things clicked between his ears.

LOL... what? Crompton put up 265 yds vs Bama in 2009. They had one of the best D's in the history of CFB that year. None of the 3 you mention come close to that.

But then that's before you even look at the receivers each has had. Gerald Jones, Denarius Moore, and Quintin Hancock were the top 3 WR's in 2009. They simply don't compare in talent to MC, JG, and Palmer.


Dude. If that happens it will be more because he started when he shouldn't have been a starter than because he's better than Crompton, Worley, or anyone else.

I'm pleased as plum that he's turning things around... but I won't pretend he's been "good" before now. He's mainly just been "there".
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I believe he should be credited for just being there as being available physically is an important trait for a QB as well, especially considering the OL he was playing behind and the shitshow coaching development he went through his 1st 3 years. He's also not been in much of a passing offense and has limited minutes this year because we decided to play QB shuffle all season. Like him or not but his durability and consistent play is why he's going to be in the record books in Knoxville. BM got the same opportunity as a Fr that JG got as a RS Fr to be the starting QB, Guarantano turned his start into being a 3 year starter with a chance to start his 4th year, BM is probably now thinking about his options. JG was more than just there.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I believe he should be credited for just being there as being available physically is an important trait for a QB as well, especially considering the OL he was playing behind and the shitshow coaching development he went through his 1st 3 years.
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Oh... so that's an excuse? It is all on the OL? Do you know or remember the OL Crompton played behind in 09? It was far less talented and much thinner than the ANY JG has played behind. JG compounded the OL problems by being so slow with decisions and by making bad decisions.

He's also not been in much of a passing offense and has limited minutes this year because we decided to play QB shuffle all season.
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He was handed the job on a PLATTER... the QB shuffle was 100% on HIM. Not much of a passing O? By what measure? He has 3 great WR targets plus a great TE and the OL has pass blocked well all year. The only reason it wasn't much of a "passing offense" is that the passer wasn't playing well... AT ALL.

Like him or not but his durability and consistent play is why he's going to be in the record books in Knoxville.
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Durability? Yes. Consistent play? He's been consistently bad up until the last few games....

BM got the same opportunity as a Fr that JG got as a RS Fr to be the starting QB,
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And probably would be the starter now if not for his injuries.... for better or worse.

Guarantano turned his start into being a 3 year starter with a chance to start his 4th year,
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JG was pretty much the only option after Dormady got hurt... and some of us recognized that Chryst wasn't really a good option last August.

BM is probably now thinking about his options. JG was more than just there.
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Maybe. I couldn't say. I hope he stays. I think he has tremendous potential. He could even afford to take a RS next fall and have 3 years to play.

No. JG was pretty much just there. He wasn't good. He didn't win games. He was extremely low risk/low reward. But he was durable... and "there".



That's not to take anything away from how he's finally playing now. I don't know if it was a happy accident or a plan that caused Pruitt and company to bench him then play him in relief and then finally make him the starter again but it worked on whatever was going on in his head. Maybe by taking away what he was so afraid of losing... he finally broke out of brain-lock?
 
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Do any of you guys remember just how many slants, curls, quick in's and out's Cheney (Kiffin) called in '09?

The stats Crompton had were solely due to that!
 
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