"JG isnt the problem, OL is" argument is dead

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RAVOL said:
JG was bad in second half and yes we needed him to be better. But lets not put the whole blame on him as if the rest of the team played flawless and if JG would have been better we would have won.
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Uh... He had 3 turnovers. We're lucky the defense played as well as they did. It's not a matter of "if he had played better". He is not a guy that can rise to the occasion and win us big games.
 
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RAVOL said:
JG was bad in second half and yes we needed him to be better. But lets not put the whole blame on him as if the rest of the team played flawless and if JG would have been better we would have won.
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When the offense plays flawlessly against bad competition, JG is still playing average or slightly above.
 
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Chaney didn't help the offense the 2nd half.....It took 1 quarter to realize we weren't going to run between the tackles (yes you have to do it some to keep the DL honest) but we continued to do it for 4 quarters.....When the DL...LBers are pinning their ears back coming you've got to do some things to slow it down.....We need to use the RB's more in the outside short pass game (use it as the extention of the run game)....screen game.....Toss sweeps...counters..... Strech plays.....Have JG keep it 4-5 times... Make the defense play sideline to sideline....Our jet sweeps rarely gains more than 3-4 yards if that but it makes the defense defend the whole field....For the most part yesterday we played between the hash marks right into their defense strength.
 
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I can’t be objective and calm about what happened in the second half yesterday. Seeing Ole Miss put 48 against Bama with a coach on game 3 didn’t help. We have a small talent gap, but we have a huge mental gap still. It’s crazy.

I just hope we make smart changes before next week so this debacle doesn’t end up beating us twice.
 
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The O line playing like crap is also the reason that JG was playing slow and loose with the football. Three fumbles (two lost) and an interception is completely on the O-Line.

I mean if I knew I was playing an elite defense and the O line was getting wreaked I would also throw off my back foot and not protect the football at all.
 
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As a JG defender,..... I will agree that the OL was indeed terrible. BUT, no hiding from the JG issues. A 5th year starter with over 30 starts should be able to see the field better, make quicker decisions, move around to by time in the pocket and deliver passes to OPEN WR's. JT Shrout has worked hard. He deserves a shot.

OL issues CAN and WILL be addressed as it was mostly missed assignments. JG cannot be fixed. He is only good at throwing the ball toward the sidelines. He cannot see the field between the hash marks (downfield).

I am a huge believer in Pruitt. Love everything about him,.... but he needs to pull the trigger on JG
 
#59
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RAVOL said:
JG was bad in second half and yes we needed him to be better. But lets not put the whole blame on him as if the rest of the team played flawless and if JG would have been better we would have won.
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We know what we have with JG, but the “what ifs” after these big games are all too common! Simply, we aren’t ready for “prime time” and the blame is plentiful and more so on a lot of issues we cannot seem to ever fix. QB play is just one of many.
 
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spyfish007 said:
Sack yards are drive killers. You are missing the point, so you can take your spare me attitude. JG is just not that good and well that has a big impact on the offense and really the game overall team. You have to make to the throws like he did in the first half to keep the defense honest for the entire game. You have to show you can handle different defensive looks. JG can't and it compromises the offense and the team. Time will tell about the offensive line. We have seen enough of JG to know that impact.
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Where did I say JG was that good?
JG is not my choice. But, he was not helped by his OC or the line.
 
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walkenvol said:
If you rewatch the game I think you will see the Oline didn’t get much push on running plays but did pretty good on the majority of pass plays. Morris struggles with Olizari (sp) the whole game. JG didn’t recognize many of their blitzes and both Gray and Chandler missed several blocks on blitzing lb’s. Plenty of mistakes made all around
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We just need to take out Gray and Chandler on passing plays. They did not even slow down any blitzes. It was like a knife going thru butter.
 
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Roustabout said:
Where did I say JG was that good?
JG is not my choice. But, he was not helped by his OC or the line.
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Well you represented a stat so I started calling that out first. You also said you could have been QB. That last part is just straight up ignorant.
 
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Other_Guy said:
I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.
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A QB that can stay aware under pressure and look through his progressions fast can make a bad oline look good. Bennet played smart and Are QB didn't. If I was the coach I am playing BM next.
 
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Brak said:
The O line playing like crap is also the reason that JG was playing slow and loose with the football. Three fumbles (two lost) and an interception is completely on the O-Line.

I mean if I knew I was playing an elite defense and the O line was getting wreaked I would also throw off my back foot and not protect the football at all.
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Wow I don't remember the O line handling the ball or throwing passes. I do remember a fifth year QB constantly turning the ball over and helping cause a second half blow out. I do remember a fifth year QB still not able to read blitzes and calling out hot routes. That was all on JG.
 
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KeyVol14 said:
They sent more blitzers than we could block simply due to the fact that JG doesn't scare anyone and can't read the field properly.
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The problem is this is the one area (on paper) that UT should match up with anyone.
 
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spyfish007 said:
Well you represented a stat so I started calling that out first. You also said you could have been QB. That last part is just straight up ignorant.
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It’s called hyperbole.
Good friggin grief man. This your first time on a discussion forum.
 
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The oline is the MAIN reason we lost the game. If you disagree you're just letting blind hatred mess with your common sense.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Umm they managed a grand total of zero net rushing yards, nearly every quarterback looks worse under pressure including Tom Brady. It is one thing to waste time in the pocket and getting sacked due to coverage down field. It is quite another to be running for your life due to missed blocks and pass rushers running freely through or around the line. I don’t know what planet many of you live on where qb’s thrive under pressure
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Isnt it QBs job to audible different protection scheme when DL shifts?
 
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landscapingvol said:
Umm they managed a grand total of zero net rushing yards, nearly every quarterback looks worse under pressure including Tom Brady. It is one thing to waste time in the pocket and getting sacked due to coverage down field. It is quite another to be running for your life due to missed blocks and pass rushers running freely through or around the line. I don’t know what planet many of you live on where qb’s thrive under pressure
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Careful these guys have played lots if madden and can tell the sack sensor on the screen.

What does a 1500 pound shark sound like in the water? Can you sense that?
1000% the answer is no.

Rushers do not announce before hitting JG. Not sure how JG is supposed to "sense" pressure? He can't see the guys behind him. So, just count to 2 and run?
 
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