"JG isnt the problem, OL is" argument is dead

[Other_Guy]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

Edit: let me make a correction that JG isn't THE reason they didn't win. Obviously there was a ton of reasons offensively and coaching even. He's just the main reason they can't win these games. There's no chance really with him. It's not a "if you OL played better he would've looked awesome" argument because he still threw that pass and fumbled those balls and this is a common thing with him (and erratic passing). He's too inconsistent and falls apart.

 

[DaddyChad]

Oline was damn terrible. JG has always sucked and always will.

 

[landscapingvol]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

Umm they managed a grand total of zero net rushing yards, nearly every quarterback looks worse under pressure including Tom Brady. It is one thing to waste time in the pocket and getting sacked due to coverage down field. It is quite another to be running for your life due to missed blocks and pass rushers running freely through or around the line. I don’t know what planet many of you live on where qb’s thrive under pressure

 

[VolFreakJosh]

The O-Line and JG are both to blame.

JG has been in the system for 3 years now and still doesn’t have the awareness to know when to the throw the ball away. He can’t sense pressure, it’s just who he is at this point.

He fumbled the ball 3 times which resulted in a huge momentum shift.

Kirby did not respect JG as a QB in the 2nd half.

 

[MADISONGAVOL]

Oline was damn terrible. JG has always sucked and always will.

I mean do yall not give any credence to fact they were trying block 6 to 7 guys most of the night because all blitzes and yes that's the best defense in the country and probably not even close. Having a qb that is not respected for a passer is the problem. You cant put all that on oline when the get bum rushed all night. Everything is an all out blitz.

 

[Power T-Rev]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

It can be both. Lol

 

[landscapingvol]

I mean do yall not give any credence to fact they were trying block 6 to 7 guys most of the night because all blitzes and yes that's the best defense in the country and probably not even close. Having a qb that is not respected for a passer is the problem. You cant put all that on oline when the get bum rushed all night. Everything is an all out blitz.

Bum rushed?? On several occasions four down lineman created maximum pressure, killed several drives with penalties, and managed zero net rushing yards. They played about as badly as you possibly can

 

[walkenvol]

If you rewatch the game I think you will see the Oline didn’t get much push on running plays but did pretty good on the majority of pass plays. Morris struggles with Olizari (sp) the whole game. JG didn’t recognize many of their blitzes and both Gray and Chandler missed several blocks on blitzing lb’s. Plenty of mistakes made all around

 

[DonDiego]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

1. Offensive line did not get the job done.
2. We played against a QB who can't throw to the sidelines, yet he repeatedly burned us over the middle.
3. We have a QB who consistently folds under pressure.
4. We wore down because Ga's back up players are about as good as their starters. We lack the depth.

 

[Roustabout]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

Combination. JG isn’t responsible for -1 yard rushing. You should be able to put me out there at QB, hand off every time and do better than that. JG had some nice throes in th 1st half. They also had excellent field position. The 2nd half was different story. UGA tightened up some things and CHaney went full retard.

 

[Other_Guy]

It can be both. Lol

Both sucking can be true at the same time, definitely. But I'm talking about the defending JG, acting like he can win us big games if there's solid OL play. When the best you can say about your QB is "Well he didnt turn the ball over" in wins, that's a problem and means he'll be a liability in big games.
If he hadnt turned it over THREE times and nearly a 4th I wouldn't be posting this. But that's the point, I'm posting this because it's who JG is.

 

[joevol33]

The O-Line and JG are both to blame.

JG has been in the system for 3 years now and still doesn’t have the awareness to know when to the throw the ball away. He can’t sense pressure, it’s just who he is at this point.

He fumbled the ball 3 times which resulted in a huge momentum shift.

Kirby did not respect JG as a QB in the 2nd half.

To be fair he did throw one away with 15 seconds left

 

[spyfish007]

Combination. JG isn’t responsible for -1 yard rushing. You should be able to put me out there at QB, hand off every time and do better than that. JG had some nice throes in th 1st half. They also had excellent field position. The 2nd half was different story. UGA tightened up some things and CHaney went full retard.

Well yes he can when there is like -40 sack yards.

 

[BeardedVol]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

How about this: both played poorly and exacerbated the other's problems.

The oline was physically manhandled, and more often than not, at least one of them was left standing there looking for someone to block. They were bad.

JG was the same old JG. Can't pick up a blitz, can't feel pressure at all, holds the ball like points are awarded for time of possession, and is basically worthless if flushed out of the pocket.

One playing poorly is going to make the other look even worse. Both playing poorly, and you get a total offensive breakdown which is what happened in the second half.

 

[KeyVol14]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

Finally a post I can agree with. JG for the thousandth time wet the bed to a elite team and completely destroyed the teams confidence. 3 straight turnovers to start the 2nd half and 4 total from JG that not only resulted in 13 points but gassed our defense

 

[Roustabout]

Well yes he can when there is like -40 sack yards.

So 47 yards rushing would have been good?

Spare me. JG was running for his life. Hell Gray was ghost tackled in the back field.

 

[jcvols24]

The OL was being manhandled the first half as well. The only difference is JG handled it much better. Yet we still managed to go into half with the lead. Thats all we need from the qb position, to not fold under pressure. JG is serviceable as a qb UNTIL that first mistake where he then simply wilts. He needs a cooling off period before going back out there in my opinion and I think last year simply proves this. Let him sit a few drives and get it out of his head and then he is ok usually, throw him right back out there and his previous mistake will naw at him to the point he will make another.

 

[VolInDayton]

So 47 yards rushing would have been good?

Spare me. JG was running for his life. Hell Gray was ghost tackled in the back field.

Offensive line accounted for more penalty yards than rushing yards.

 

[Hacksaw]

I think at this point, no matter what you think of JG, we have to do something to shake things up. This has been going on for years. We can't keep making excuses for losing and just accepting it. This is not Vandy.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

UGA has a better o line, d line, and QB. Look at the stats from the game yesterday. Impossible to win when you are inferior in those areas.

 

[Doberman]

Combination. JG isn’t responsible for -1 yard rushing. You should be able to put me out there at QB, hand off every time and do better than that. JG had some nice throes in th 1st half. They also had excellent field position. The 2nd half was different story. UGA tightened up some things and CHaney went full retard.

We had -1 rushing yards because JGs sacks lost 40 yards.

 

[Volfan2012]

JG is certainly part of the problem and in several games he always will be. He is not a consistent performer and never will be. He will have games when he clicks and games when he looks like a lost sheep. The OL played way below expectations they have the talent to rise way above the way they played they were a huge part of the offensive problems yesterday.

 

[KB5252]

I used that for 2 years and for the most part stand by that argument. No longer the case.
I know the OL didn't live up to standards yesterday. I know GA defense is incredible and they brought the pain in the 2nd half.
But JG is the reason they lost the game. Stop with the OL argument.
Tennessee's defense actually played very well, mostly the front 7. They actually had some success with pressure on Bennett and GA didn't run all over them for 3 Qs, minus a couple big plays. The fact it was only 26-21 was impressive.
You can't say "Well Bennett didn't have the pressure or lack of ground game that JG had." Sorry, but thats a poor excuse considering how solid the D played and Bennett was playing in his 3rd ever game and had no turnovers meanwhile your 3 yr starting 5th yr playing former #2 dual threat QB wets the bed in the backfield with 3 fumbles and a pick. His ball security and awareness to get the ball out was terrible.
I love the guy, he's a VFL and I've pulled for him as much as anyone, but he is the reason they lost so badly.
Despite the OL woes, he can't rise to the occasion in big games when he's needed most. You can argue that he looked really good in the first half when he had more time. Sure, but he folded under pressure and fell apart like he always does.

There isn't a qb on this roster that would have fared better last night. I think we have to make a change but I don't expect any of these qb's to make any real impact. Perhaps Bailey next year can get us back on track.

 

[BeardedVol]

There isn't a qb on this roster that would have fared better last night. I think we have to make a change but I don't expect any of these qb's to make any real impact. Perhaps Bailey next year can get us back on track.

There's zero evidence that this staff can take a highly rated high school QB, and develop him enough to get him to SEC-ready in a year, or at all at this point.

 

[KB5252]

There's zero evidence that this staff can take a highly rated high school QB, and develop him enough to get him to SEC-ready in a year, or at all at this point.

I don't disagree, this staff has done nothing to make me believe they can develop a qb.

I'm not saying I support firing Pruitt it that he should be on the hot seat. But I am seeing troubling patterns and a lack of offensive development.